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Hey, this thread morphed. Should we start a new one with meals we have lately cooked?!!
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Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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That sounds good! I wish I could get my husband to eat fish. I rolled chicken tenders in my recipe for adobo seasoning and sauteed in olive oil. Made my own refried beans and served with cucumber and tomato from the garden. The beans turned out really yummy, so it's going to be hard to use up the canned refried beans.

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That rub sounds good. Tonight I'm gonna pan fry some red snapper and sprinkle some fresh dill on top. Maybe even make a little homemade tartar sauce.

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My standby is grilled veggies and brown rice.

Once every 2 weeks or so I dice, combine and grill peppers, onions, garlic, zucchini, squash, asparagus, broccoli, mushrooms, etc.. whatever veggies I can find that I like. Toss them in a super huge bowl w/olive oil and salt and grill in batches. I let them cool and then bag them in 1/2C batches and freeze. Every morning I pull one out and eat it w/brown rice and an egg, salmon or left over grilled chicken.

I also found a recipe for a rub to use on Salmon (came out of a recent issue of Clean Eating) it has brown sugar, cumin, ancho chili powder, and cinnamon in it. I'm looking for the magazine now to get the exact recipe again. I made a good size batch and put it in an old spice bottle and just shook some on a thawed salmon filet and cooked in my toaster oven.

It took less than 20 minutes to prepare breakfast, brunch, lunch or dinner.

I'm always surprised that it hasn't gotten boring yet.

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*sigh*

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I know what you mean Hawggy, sometimes I throw a can of tuna into a pan with some green veggie and just heat it up 'til it's eatable. It is pretty boring when you are just going for something quick and healthy. But what's a busy person to do??

Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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A few nights ago I had guests over (unexpectedly) for dinner. I had to throw some stuff together really fast. I tossed some greens/avocado/cucumber and cherry tomatoes into a bowl, drizzled on some olive oil, tossed it, added a little bit of balsamic vinegar, salt & pepper and some grated Parmesan, tossed it all together. I felt it was a pretty low-brow salad but my guest both proclaimed the salad was really fantastic and asked "What dressing did you use?"!!
Moral of story:
You really never need to use bottled dressing. DIY is so much cheaper, healthier and so fast!

Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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I know... it can become very time consuming. Right now, I'm in a bit of a rut. Eating the same foods over and over again. Too busy to do any meal planning or trying out new recipes to any great extent.
I end up eating steamed veggies and chicken breast a lot. *boring after a while*

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It aggravates me to no end. Even 'healthy' salad dressings, etc...have soybean oil.

I have to make almost everything from scratch in order to avoid things that are bad for me.

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I'll say... every time I read a label there is some kind of soy in it.

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I've learned the hard way about unfermented soy products. I fell for all the hype about how good soy is for you.

Unfermented soy can cause problems with your thyroid gland. Soybean oil is very bad for you and it is almost impossible to avoid these products unless you really look hard.

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That's a good question. One that deserves some research (since I am from Canada). It looks like it does not. This is also one of my main reasons for buying organic. Certified organic means it must definitely not be genetically modified.

Upon checking into this, it looks like Health Canada is just as EVIL as the FDA down there. They have deemed GMO food to be SAFE. HA!
The only food that needs to be labelled as GMO is food that is exported to countries where it is required to be labelled. (what a joke!)

It looks like there are quite a few advocacy groups who are trying to stop this. One of them is Greenpeace, another is the Weston Price Foundation (I keep trying to get to their meetings; the last meeting was their concerns regarding unfermented soy products)

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It's usually just the quart sizes and smaller that are ultra-pasteurized here in the US, but the half-gallons seem to last forever too! I do keep my frig really cold though.

Yes, I agree that big business has wrecked our food supply. I don't know about Canada, but they don't have to label foods with GMO's here. I think that's just criminal.

We have many horrible issues to deal with here, so food is near the bottom of the list.

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Oh yeah, organic milk is usually "ultra-pasteurized" and this high heat actually reshapes the protein making it nearly impossible for our bodies to assimilate in a healthy way. And yes, I agree, it's all about making things stay shelf-stable so it can be transported and stored. When food is fresh it is best--for our planet and for our body's health. As some people have said, "our food supply is crumbling". So sad. It really doesn't have to be this way. Big businesses have taken over feeding us so we don't have to feed ourselves. What a job they have done eh??
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I have recently discovered Raw Milk as well as Low Temp Pasteurized Milk. The farm is too far to drive for Raw milk but a local health food store carries the Low temp pasteurized milk. Not quite as good, but still beats the daylights out of what you buy at the store.

My M-I-L just laughed at me when I was talking to her about the Raw Milk. Turns out when she was a kid her dad would milk the cow into the regular (only rinsed out) milk bucket. She and her brothers would scoop out a cup whenever they wanted a drink. She said the bucket sat on the counter most of the day as did the food her mom cooked in the morning. Not once did they ever get sick.

Apparently, the freshness of the food is everything. Bottling, transporting, and storing offers many opportunities for food spoilage.

We can't all live on a farm and therefore have to be selective and safe in our food choices.

Most milk is steamed at a temperature over 200 degrees which not only kills all the bacteria it also destroys all the nutrients. This is why milk keeps so long and this is done by some Organic milk producers as well. So beware what you buy.

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You are lucky! Well that's some great info. Which reminds me that I need to start giving the dogs some "good" bacteria too.

Thanks Ladies!!!

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I am just so lucky to have raw goat's and cow's milk available to me from friends and neighbors who have them along with eggs and meats. I also get, in the harvest months, most of my produce from them as well. You are right to be suspicious of veggies that come in plastic bags. If I have to purchase any of that sort of thing I will go with the organic label and do without if I can't find any. I'd rather have cow manure in my spinach than human sewage sludge. Rinsing is a good idea!!

Also, raw milk doesn't actually "spoil". It simply turns into something else. It is referred to as "soured". Soured milk is used to make cheese and you can put it in baked goods. Soured cream is also used in making cheese, baked goods and egg dishes. I'm sure there are plenty of other ways to use it.

When pasteurized milk goes bad it goes immediately rancid because it doesn't have the good bacteria in it any more (it was killed in the pasteurization process). That poor unprotected milk just picks up whatever bacteria is in the air AND whatever junky contaminants were in the milk to begin with and THAT is truly gross. You can smell the grossness.

The good bacteria in raw milk is so strong that when making yogurt you have to heat the milk up a bit first to calm those aggressive little guys down otherwise they will eat up the yogurt bacterias.

I think raw, natural dairy products are perfectly magical. Nothing has to be wasted, ever.

Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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Raw milk does not "spoil" It sours naturally. Store milk rots and turns putrid. It becomes undrinkable. When raw milk sours it can be sour cream or yogurt. The culture is good for digestion too.
My milk will definitely stay drinkable for 7 days. Up to about 10. But it isn't around that long to worry about.
"something" got into that raw milk. That's what made it bad. It's such a shame... that the raw milk will take the RAP for it.
Things in life happen all the time. Someone gets hit by a car crossing the street. Doesn't mean I will never cross the street again. Life just happens.
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I know what you mean about state inspectors, although you can be sure that they will come down hard on the little guy.

They DNA test the little bugs these days, and Children's Hospital was involved in the DNA testing. With 3 kids admitted, they got on it really quickly.

The vet even DNA tested my dog's stool! Thankfully he didn't have any awful bugs, so he probably has IBS no doubt due to being raised on icky kibble. We've only had him a couple of months and I haven't made the switch yet to home made food. Having a fractured elbow has definitely been a bummer.

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Oh, this was definitely contamination that got into the milk due to a breakdown in the processing, not the milk per se. It made local news because of the child that nearly died.

I have never tasted raw milk, but my husband had it every summer that he spent on his grandfather's farm as a kid. He says it was the best milk ever!

I know it's not easy to buy raw milk and I don't know if you can buy it without being in a coop. Where do you get yours? Does it spoil quickly?

I'm not really a germ-o-phobe, although I do tend to use the spinach near the end of its expiration date, just in case. emoticon

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Hmmm... funny. I wouldn't trust state inspectors.

Anyhow, I trust where I get my milk. Also, if you do some research you may be surprised at the findings of people getting sick from raw milk differ from that of getting sick from dirty dairy farms that sell store bought milk.
Just saying...
Raw milk is unprocessed, God given and totally CLEAN. And that's what eating CLEAN means to me.

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I LOVE my raw milk; always have. Laura is right, it's not about raw milk in itself its about some kind of contamination that got into it. that can happen to ANYTHING...ANYTHING. If we refused to eat something because people have gotten ill from eating it sometime or another we would starve. Contamination happens sometimes. But, it goes without saying, the greatest contamination in food is what comes from the factory farms. We kid ourselves thinking that if it's mainstream, pasteurized, homogenized, big brand name that it's not contaminated. Holy cow, if people only knew what was in their milk!! They'd be sickened just by the thought of it.

We have been so isolated from, protected from, and uneducated about food that we have adopted a crazy sense of paranoia towards what we fear might be in something. Did you know that there are little buggies in EVERYTHING?? Why, you have mites in your eyelashes--little hitchhikers that are real and harmless. There are tiny microscopic shrimp in many city water supplies (you didn't know you were getting so much protein did you??)

I firmly believe that when people become increasingly afraid of "contamination" that then they become increasingly cut off from healthy food. Don't be a naturephobe. (I just made that up)

The more buggies we allow into our bodies the stronger we become and the less times we will be sick. I could go on about the glories of dirt and bacteria...but I won't...I'll stop here.
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It was definitely traced to the dairy by the state inspectors. Due to the number of people who became ill and the small number that used that dairy, it wasn't difficult. Fortunately, no one died. The poor farmer was horrified at what happened and he fully cooperated with inspectors to find the breakdown in the process.

I suspect that over time, there will be fewer incidents like this as processes and equipment improves, but until then, I'm not willing to risk my grandson's life.

My daughter got on the board at his preschool and they are now going to switch to hormone-free milk. Duh.... Good thing they got a bunch of new board members at this non-profit school/daycare center. They are committed to improving nutrition at the school.

Remember, nobody can go back to the very beginning and make a brand new start, but anyone can start here and make a brand new end.

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Hmmm.. I would say the milk didn't make them sick, but that something got into the milk,. If in fact it was the milk at all.
In my opinion the dirty milk is that which you buy in the store...

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It's allowed in Colorado and three kids ended up at Children's Hospital this summer with one critical from drinking raw milk. Several adults got pretty sick too. The state stepped in to help the dairy figure out the problem and they recertified him. To me, it's just not worth the risk. This was a small, very clean operation on the outskirts of our town, where you would not expect a problem.

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This is what is happening on the coast today. Should be very interesting.
At 11 am this morning - Tuesday September 28th - he'll be in
front of the Fraser Health food safety office at 45470 Menholm Road Chilliwack, B.C.

all welcome = as the audience for this historic event, or - if you're
up to it ! - he'll be pouring some milk for those who are competent
to think for themselves about the issue of ' who ought to decide what
we choose as food - ourselves, or nameless, faceless unelected
bureaucrats who hide behind the veil of UNaccountable 'corporate
entities?'

Gordon S Watson
Justice Critic : Parliamentary Agent for the Party of Citizens Who
Have Decided To Think For Ourselves & Be Our Own Politicians

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Raw milk crusaders to defy ban
By Jeff Nagel - BC Local News

A cow-sharing co-op will serve up unpasteurized raw milk to supporters
in Chilliwack Tuesday in defiance of public health officials' repeated
efforts to shut them down.
They're now being led by Michael Schmidt, an Ontario dairy farmer and
raw milk advocate who this year succeeded in overturning the ban on
raw milk cow-shares in that province.
Schmidt has taken over management of the former Home On The Range
dairy from Chilliwack farmer Alice Jongerden and renamed the operation OurCows.
Not only will milk continue to flow to the 450 members, he vows,
they'll hand out raw milk in front of Fraser Health's Chilliwack offices at 11 a.m.
Tuesday.
"I demand a proper trial where the guilt will be properly determined
rather than just trying to shut us down," Schmidt said.
Jongerden had planned to leave cow-share members to milk their own
cows, but Schmidt's stance is a direct challenge to the authority.
The action comes despite the tightening of legal screws on the operation.
Jongerden is back in court Oct. 14 on contempt of court charges after
she continued to distribute milk – labeled "not for human consumption"
– despite a B.C. Supreme Court injunction issued in March.
It's not yet clear what effect the change of agister (the manager of a
cow-share) will have on the legal proceedings.
"I'm now managing and running the entire operation," Schmidt said. "So
it will be interesting to see how they want to deal with that now."
He argues Fraser Health's prosecution so far has been without due process.
"I am open to any dialogue to resolve the issue," Schmidt said. "But
we will not back down."
The health authority has relied on B.C.'s Public Health Act, which
defines raw milk as a health hazard and bans its sale.
The cow-sharers claim they don't buy the milk – they jointly own the
cows and merely collect liquid dividends.
Schmidt said it was a long battle to victory in Ontario, where he was
charged in 2006 and fined $55,000 for contempt of court before being
acquitted on all counts in early January.
"It basically legalized the cow-share model in Ontario," he said.
The Ontario government is still appealing and success there doesn't
necessarily translate to B.C., because the laws requiring milk
pasteurization in the two provinces differ.
Fraser Health spokesman Roy Thorpe said it will be up to the judge to
decide whether or not changes made by the cow-share comply with the
injunction, which was issued after the dairy defied previous
cease-and-desist orders issued by public health inspectors.
Medical health officers say raw milk is dangerous and linked to
documented outbreaks of illness in North America
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Chilliwack office of the Food Safety Branch of Fraser Health Authority
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Chilliwack Health Protection Office
45470 Menholm Road

Chilliwack, B.C. V2P 1M2
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