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6/28/10 3:41 P

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Just don't boil your baby goat in its mother's milk or at least 500 years will be deleted from your life.

See, I can mix milk and religion up real good. Just try me!
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Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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6/28/10 3:02 P

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It's a good thing it's not about getting the "rules" right but about loving God and your neighbor and even that, you know, we all fail at!! I'm really into grace. If we think that obeying the rules (commandments, laws, whatevers) then we are in BIG trouble 'cuz nobody can do it. Live by the law; be judged by the law...ooh, don't want to go there.

Are we off on religion now?!! Probably not a good idea; some people might get offended...not me, I can talk religion as well as I can talk about milk!!

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Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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6/28/10 12:37 P

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6/28/10 12:25 P

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Yes! And chocolate milk, beef wellington and white bread



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Great link! Loved that! So we CAN eat meat! lol!

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6/28/10 11:28 A

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Here is an interesting view on the bible and eating animals. Apparently there's some debate on what is the right thing to do.

This link is about the heresy of not eating animals... interesting scripture indeed

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6/28/10 11:07 A

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I am gonna look in the Bible to see exactly what it is I'm "allowed" to eat! lol!

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6/28/10 9:59 A

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I think I'll stick with my almond milk, thank you very much! I do like my organic ice cream too.

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6/28/10 9:41 A

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So I guess the "land of milk and honey" was just a bad joke...darn, bummer

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6/28/10 7:12 A

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I left the cow milk too. Mostly because I like the taste of almond milk in my cheerios. I think God intended us to eat all the fruits and veggies to get what our bodies needed to servive. No one says anything about eating or drinking the cows.

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Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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6/27/10 10:08 P

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Thanks for this Ani. That's why we arm ourselves with info - and there's so much of it!

I have a feeling it will be a rainy day in hell before they post an article supporting raw milk or anything that isn't part of the mainstream. I do admit I only read the articles that are posted on this thread for entertainment purposes, sad but true.




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6/27/10 9:49 P

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Just have to chime in here.

There is so much more to be said about the "lactose" intolerance thing. There is really no way (yet, or maybe there never will be a way) to tell if a person is lactose intolerant because of the ton of fractionated and isolated dairy particles along with the homogenized and pasteurized dairy products that we have been bombarded with. Or if they are lactose intolerant for some other thing that they were just born with (lot to be said about genetics now as well that we didn't know only a couple of years back!).

That said...
You guys only mention protein and calcium. Holy smokes, there's a lot more to milk (raw milk) than just protein and calcium. How about the EFAs; so, so important for all body processes. How about enzymes and good bacteria; so, so good for digesting and assimilating... uh...protein and calcium and building up the immune system to fight off disease and keep us strong, for instance.

Is it possible that the plethora of food sensitivities is from major inflammatory responses set about by ingesting particles that are foreign to our bodies; things our bodies were never built to process.

The food tracker doesn't see the whole picture. I feel it misses a lot of important nutritional pieces.

The article in question isn't very helpful. Though it may be true that a person that gets a negative bodily reaction from consuming milk might be suffering from lack of enzymes, the drinking of pasteurized milk isn't going to help that; it just might make it worse because of the lack of enzymes and the cooked protein. AND, when you add homogenization to that you've got fat molecules that have been torn apart and...well, I confess I don't know the whole ramifications of that but I've read about it being bad for the milk (and, consequently, bad for us)

When I think of all the dead, over-process food that so many of us have had in our lives, it's no wonder that we lack the acids, bacteria, enzymes, and many essential phyto-chemicals that work with our digestive systems to turn good food into usable energy in every cell of our bodies.

That article is, like many I've read, chock full of misinformation that we would be better off without. It sounds like something from the American Dairy Counsel. It not only doesn't understand that dairy sensitivities are a real thing for a lot of people, it also doesn't consider the difference between conventional, commercial dairy products (so full of ...cough, cough...stuff, unmentionables) and fresh, local, grass fed, sustainably and humanely raised dairy. BIG DIFFERENCE!!

Hope you all have had a great weekend,
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6/27/10 6:37 P

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No. This is my second time that I've done it, and both times I quit after the seconde phase. Phase 3 is basically the same as Phase 1, and I just get too bored too easily. Plus I get really bulky easily. P90X is very effective; I got enough muscle now! lol! I'm gonna do a couple weeks of circuits/intervals and try to LEAN up a bit.
Also, I wonder if my body doesn't metabolize carbs very efficiently. My whole life, I have always been one of those people who LOVE doughnuts, bagels, cookie dough... etc. I've always been a little chubby too.
I had cut my carbs to 150/day and nothing happened either. When I cut them to 100-125 the pounds started coming off again. It also doesn't seem to matter if I eat 1400 cals or 1800 cals, as long as the carbs stay on the LOW side. The high protein levels (150-ish) really helps from getting hungry I noticed.
Anyhow, I'm thinking just ONE more month... then SLOWLY start adding them back, but maybe not as high as I have been used to in the past. I think 100-175-ish may be around the right amount for my weight loss maintenance. I can live with that.

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I don't have a problem with carbs, I do notice a little bloat from gluten, but not other carbs. So that's interesting. I also notice that I am able to lose weight even though I eat a lot of fats from nuts and seeds. That really helps to control hunger since my protein intake isn't as high as the average person's.

Wow 6 lbs that's great! Are you still doing P90X?



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Yeah, I've wondered about the protein thing too. Some people, like bodybuilders, eat over 250 grams of protein a day!
I do know, that although our bodies need protein and it is healthy for us, that when my dad got cancer ANIMAL proteins are treated carcinigenic by the human body. If you are sick with cancer get RID of animal protein in your diet; stick with plant protein.
Right now, I am having some good results with a high protein and lower carb diet (down 6 pounds so far this month! woo hoo!) I'm hoping the plateau has been broken.
However, I cannot see eating this way forever. A few more pounds to goal, then I am gonna slowly add back in a few carbs and taper off the protein. Most of my protein is coming from seafood, chicken breast, eggs right now.

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6/27/10 12:01 P

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I believe only 25% of the world's population can tolerate milk. Me and dairy were never good friends.

Good for you Laura! You have to figure where does the calcium come from for the cows and fish, could it be the plant foods they are eating, just cut out the middleman.

This reminds me of the protein argument. Mother's milk only contains about 7% protein (don't shoot me if I'm off a few percentage points) and this is when a human experiences the largest growth spurt in their lifetime. So the logic behind that is you only need about that much protein in your diet. It's an interesting idea that I would like to research more.



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6/27/10 8:54 A

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Yea, well my "Perceived" lactose intolerance makes me feel bloated, gassy, and doubled over in pain.

Maybe it is all in my mind!

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I just can't believe that they would say that milk is the only way to get calcium

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6/27/10 1:03 A

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HA! I couldn't resist making a COMMENT! LOL!

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Spark articles make me fume sometimes! I just quit reading their articles. They are always so misinformed...
Now, I enjoy my milk BUT, since I have been trying to cut out the carbs, I've just been drinking almond milk and leaving the cow milk for the rest of the family. I noticed in my tracker that my calcium (and other nutrients) haven't really changed at all. I mean I eat a TON of spinach and broccoli and other healthy stuff. I always get all my calcium needs with or without milk.
Like I said, I like my milk (and icecream) but if you don't, I'm sure there are a ton of ways to get that calcium in you.


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I'm not very happy with this blog.

Drink milk or don't drink milk (its you choice) but this person is saying that if you don't drink milk you are not healthy and you are "perceived" Lactose Intoleranc (like your faking being sick)

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