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All clear! Woo hoo! And it turns out my previous eye issues/surgeries don't affect in any way the likelihood of my developing diabetic retinopathy. Yahoo!

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Merideth,

Good luck on your eye exam.

I only had 3 chocolates last evening. Blood sugar 7.2 mmol/l or 130 mg/dL, so with zero chocolates perhaps in the 6 mm/l range.

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I'm going into Manhattan today to see my retina specialist for the first time in four years, to make sure I didn't develop diabetic retinopathy. I already had huge surgery on my right eye 10 years ago for a detached retina and four laser surgeries on my left eye to repair retinal tears. To say I'm nervous is an understatement. Wish me luck!

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Perhaps my whole system is less tolerant of carbs than some of you others, making me the canary in the coal mine as far as carbs go.

I was boasting 6.6 mmol/l or 118 mg/dL a few days ago, but yesterday I ate an extra 30 grams of carbs, sugar actually in just 6 small Christmas chocolates, and this morning (10 hours later) I measured 8.0 mmol/l or 144 mg/dL. I'm envious of anyone who can tolerate oats and not have high blood sugar for hours on end.

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Perhaps. The number was a little higher than I'd like, and my number was higher than usual this morning (whatever usual is - I haven't been doing this very long). But I also had an afternoon cappuccino and was in the office until midnight to meet a deadline (midnight filing deadline; got it in at 11;45). It was a stressful day, and I ate more calories than usual too. It was my first real test of how I'm able to handle my diet and activity when life gets crazy and I did okay, but wonder what it does to my BG levels. I digress though. Whole oat groats are also pretty much unprocessed - they are the whole grain rather than the cut or rolled oats most people eat. That may have also had something to do with how it affected my sugar level.

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MEREDITH,

When you eat something your blood sugar rises, peaks and the tails off back down.

The initial rise is fairly quick and peaks in about 30 to 40 minutes. One thing for diabetics is to know that peak. Non-diabetics never get above about 120 even at that peak.

The second issue for diabetics sustained high blood sugar after eating. Non-diabetics will fully recover after eating in about 2 hours. Diabetics typically have a long tail off where blood sugar goes down slower than normal. Measuring 2 hours after eating shows information about the tail-off, and indeed the longer your blood sugar is elevated the worse for you health.

Here is a picture of normal (wish I were):

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_sugar

Any blood sugar medication, like metformin are going to lessen the overall level, the tail of the curve. As you see from my earlier post I'm happy with around 120 as my morning fasting number, and you have that an hour or two after eating oats. So I'd say your digestion handles carbs better than mine. Though I am taking no meds.

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Verdict on whole oat groats: maybe. My nutritionist told me to measure my blood sugar 1.5 to 2 hours after a meal, with a target of under 140. I did that after eating my oatmeal with peanut butter and it was 130. Not bad. That also included a post-breakfast walk with the dog, so it might have been higher had I not had that activity. I'll keep tracking it and try to limit it to 1-2 days a week and see where it goes. James, I'm not sure where it would have been after 40 minutes or what my target would have been, and don't want to stick myself twice in quick succession. What is your rationale for 40 minutes after you begin eating?

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GREYCATBIRD,

Yes as I was burning out my system with high carbs I had no idea what my blood sugar was doing until my system went over the cliff. Just before I was diagnosed I was typically eating a mid-morning snack of an Oh Henry bar and a can of coke:

Oh Henry bar (100 g)
Calories (530)
Fat (23 g)
Net carbs (51 g)
Protein (9 g)

Can of coke (100 g)
Calories (43)
Fat (0 g)
Net carbs (12 g)
Protein (0 g)

So between that bar and that coke, with a little math (or reading the real label not adjusted to 100 g) then I was consuming 34 + 27 grams of pure sugar. Today I can only tolerate that as a two day total, but there I had it all in 5 minutes in the morning, with the rest of my day still to come.

P.s. This is unrelated to the post, but here is a recipe for low carb bread (6 grams in the whole loaf, yup less than 1 gram per slice)

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Subject: vitamin B helping blood sugar control

My blood sugar this morning was 6.6 mmol/l or 118 mg/dL

That is the lowest it has been in a while. It hasn't been too much higher but in the 7 range. I started taking a daily vitamin B supplement for the last few days. I looked it up:
www.progressivehealth.com/vitamins-t
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Sure enough there is a link, and perhaps I've detected it in my own body.

As you may know I'm eating low carb to control my type 2 diabetes without medication (after 11 years of pills and at the maximum oral dose, I'm now taking no meds). Looks like vitamin B may be an extra medication free thing I can do.

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On another note, in a way I'm glad the doctor isn't having me check my blood glucose. But on the other hand, it means I'm kind of guessing as to what foods spike my blood sugar and insulin production. It's kind of scary what was happening all those years when I had no idea I was developing insulin resistance and eventually diabetes. When you can't see the immediate effects, it's a little harder to be disciplined, I think.

But now that I know what HAS happened, I can surmise what WILL happen if I'm not diligent! I definitely do not want a stroke, heart attack, blindness, limb amputations, etc.

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Thanks, James! It's not looking good for my toast and peanut butter.

I'm off to the diabetes education class this morning. I'll let you know what they say.

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Yes, carbs are everywhere, they are cheap and often have a long shelf life. The average adult North American eats 330 grams of carbs a day. I know that 90 puts me into the need for diabetes meds. At 30 to 50 I'm OK without medication (I'm type 2 diabetic)

GREYCATBIRD,
I just happened to have a tablespoon of peanut butter as a treat. My unsweetened peanut butter has this profile:

Peanut butter (100 grams)
Calories (667)
Net carbs (13 g)
Fat (53 g)
Protein (27 g)

This bends my 6% rule, at 13%, but it is a treat, and I only had a spoonful, about 15 grams, so from the info above that works out to about 2 grams of net carbs, not a big impact on my daily target of 30.

Oat groats look like this:

Oat groats (100 g)
Calories (365)
Net carbs (54 g)
Protein (19 g)
Fat (8 g)

Meredith, after eating that for breakfast you should measure your blood sugar about 40 minutes later. It is over half digestible carbs.



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Exactly Sue! Carbs seem to be everywhere!

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I've been eating toast and peanut butter (natural peanut butter, no sugar) for breakfast for years. It's killing me to think about giving it up. I did buy some good whole wheat bread today, and will try to keep it to a minimum. I had already cut down from two pieces to one at breakfast..

I thought giving up sweets would be the only really bad part of cutting back on carbs. I never realized how many carbs I'm accustomed to eating, and how hard it would be to cut back.

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Thanks for that James. I'm hoping my favorite whole oat groats for breakfast can stay on the menu!

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MEREDITH,

I have a binder (yes old fashioned paper pages) and a single food or drink on each page. I put information for 100 grams of the item.

If I eat say 157 grams of that item I multiple each number by 1.57 and write that in my tracker.

If something has a nutrition label then great I use it but still calculate the information for a 100 g quantity. So for example blackberries. I google "nutrition blackberries" and find this to enter in my binder:

Blackberries (100 g)
Calories (43)

Total Carbohydrates (10 g)
Fiber (5 g)
Sugar (4.9 g)

Fat (0.5 g)
Protein (1.4 g)

So fiber is a carbohydrate which is not digestible so net or digestible carbs are 10-5, or 5. There is information that 4.9 of those 5 are sugar, and 0.1 g must be more complicated than sugar, but still a carb.

Anyway I focus on net carbs. It is good to track what you eat and how it impacts your blood sugar, but you will probably find the strongest connection with net carbs. That can help you make alternate choices of things you like just as much, but hit the blood sugar much less.

Wheat for example, like in bread, doesn't taste very sweet, but it is 80% net carbs, and is a killer for my blood sugar.


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James, that is exactly the plan. If I'm seeing blood sugar spikes post-meals, I'll adjust. I'm rotating meals after which I'm testing so that im generally monitoring twice a day, and if I'm wondering about a particular food, I'll measure after that meal.

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MEREDITHB51,

The only reason to limit fat is because you want to loose weight, do you need to keep your calories low.

If you are tracking what you eat, and your blood sugar, then pay close attention to the grams of carbs you eat of drink and your blood sugar in the next 30 minutes to 90 minute sort of time frame. If you see a connection then try reducing your carbs and see how that impacts your blood sugar.

Dietary fat slows digestion, including the digestion of carbs that are present. So less of a blood sugar spike, and more smoothed out.

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That sounds really good, Meredith. Sounds like you've been on the right track. I'm going to a diabetes education class on Monday, and after that I may get to have individual appointments with a nutritionist (Medicare requires going to a class before having private appointments). I'm very eager to hear what is said in the class.

Like you, I've already modified my diet in light of the diagnosis. But I can really use some guidance, too.

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I finally had my appointment with the nutritionist, who was fantastic. I had ridiculously detailed records of what I was eating and when, my exercise, and for the previous five days, blood glucose readings. She was able to review all that information ahead of time, so the appointment was very much focused on how we should be adapting our diet. My hubby - who is the chef in the house - came too. We were happy to hear that our normal diet is high quality and that adjustments I made to my carb intake were on the right track. She was able to generate Neal plans in a follow up email that used what we were already doing, but showed me how to get more variety back into my diet. Basically, I'm eating 1-2 carbs servings per meal, and 3 snacks with 0-1 carb serving (15g about). Dinner I mau go up to 3 occasionally. I also need to eat more calories than I was. In addition, she told me that any time I eat a carb I should eat a little bit of good fat with it. We came up with a monitoring plan to track how my body responds to this eating plan so we can tweak as I go along. I'm happy to have a plan and someone to partner with. As I lose weight, it may also be possible for me to get rid of the 250 mg metformin I'm taking now. Altogether I'm very pleased.

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Amber,
I think I answered this in another place, but I'll answer again. Perhaps I'll say something a little different.

I'm a type 2 diabetic, and was on drugs of ever increasing doses for 11 years. At the end of the 11 years I was at the maximum oral dose. But then I bumped into a low carb diet to loose weight. I've stuck with low carb, about 30 grams a day for the last 32 months. No more medication. I do exercise in ketosis at the YMCA about 3 times a week. My main energy must be coming from fat and protein, 'cause there ain't no carbs other than a trace in some vegetables and dairy.

If I feel weak during the day I eat some cheese. Now that I'm not carb oriented I find that something fatty like that works just as quickly and as well. I used to have a candy bar ready for such situations and never imagined that cheese could ever possibly work the same way.

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Hi! I'm Amber. I was pre-diabetic for at least 5 years, and then last December I had part of my pancreas removed because I had a cyst on it. I was doing good til June 2014. I started being tired all of the time, and I wasn't really checking my sugars. So I decided to buy another checker, and my levels were 300 to 400 for a couple days. I called my doctors office, and they had me come in the next day. So she my A1C's were 8.4. She put me on glimipiride and increased my metformin. After 4 months, I reduced my a1c's to 6.6. So I wasn't put on insulin. I'm trying to do it with diet and exercise. My problem is when I go exercise my sugar maybe 160 to 200. After working out, my sugars fly down to 60's. Then I have to drink sugar pop to make it rise. What doy ou guys do before you work out so your blood sugar don't drop that low?


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Thank you, James! I'll try them.

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GRAYCATBIRD,
I don't have any books by Taubes, but I respect that author.

Here are some recipes to use protein powder:
Muffins:
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3 grams of carbs per muffin

Pancakes:
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About 1 gram of carbs per pancake

Bread:

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About 2 grams of carbs per slice

To put that in perspective, here are some approximate values for wheat based equivalents:
Muffin: 50 grams of carbs
One IHOP pancake: 25 grams of carbs
One slice of bread: 20 grams

My diabetes is not under control at 90 grams of carbs in a day unless I take medication. I ate too many atkins bars in a day and measured. So a regular sandwich, with two slices of wheat based bread, is 40 grams and is over my daily, self imposed limit of 30 grams. Of course if I make my protein powder based bread, which has only 2 grams per slice, the a sandwich has only 4 grams and I have a whole lot left for the rest of the day.

Yes it is a bit of a pain to avoid carbs and make a few low carb versions of high carb things, like muffins. But the payback has been weight loss (no exercise needed either) no drug routine, better health, and a whole change in my taste preferences. I used to hate cucumber and dislike lots of other vegetables. But for all the things I no longer eat, there are a whole bunch of new ones that I really like now, and didn't before.


Oh yes there are two common types of protein powder, whey protein, from cows milk, and soy protein from soy beans. I used to think whey protein had a better balance of amino acids and therefore was better for human needs than soy protein. This is true, cows are mammals like us do it makes some sense that it is a better fit, but when I looked into the exact ratios of amino acids in both I came to the conclusion that it wasn't that significant a difference.

So when you find a protein powder you like don't worry about which of those two types. However I've found vanilla flavoured powder tastes best for baking pancakes and bread.



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Well you can look at it this way:

Carbs are bad for blood sugar, and add to body fat, so I can't eat carbs
Protein is hard on the kidneys, and eating animals is barbaric, I can't eat protein
Fat is too high in calories and can give me high cholesterol, so I must not eat fat

The conclusion is that I can't eat anything.

The truth is carbs are bad for blood sugar and do fatten you up. Protein is only hard on the kidneys if you have other medical issues. In fact 60 to about 120 grams of protein is the daily MINIMUM for an adult for good health to maintain muscle mass. Lastly as for fat, you need to eat some fat to be healthy, the thing to avoid are trans-fats.

Trans fats have a higher melting point. So if a fat or oil is hard at room temperature then be very suspicious, it is also not going to be very liquid or mobile inside of you either, leading to health problems. Things like olive oil, which is liquid at room temperature is just fine. Lard? No!

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fats

As for limiting fat, you definately want to limit "bad" fats, the saturated and trans-fats which tend to be harder. Other than that the only reason to limit them is if you are trying to loose weight and you want to limit calories.

Carbs will raise and drop blood sugar, and hunger more. Eating fattier things, like cheese will even out things more. I don't go on a carb rollercoaster anymore, when I'm hungry I eat low carb things like cheese sticks, or whipped cream sweetened with stevia with some blackberries.

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I'm reading "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes, and finding it very interesting. Haven't gotten all the way through it; in fact I'm just getting into the part where he talks about what makes people fat, but he thinks carbs play a big role. It's a whole turnaround from the "conventional wisdom" of the past 40 years or so! Which makes it a little scary to just leap in and cut carbs down as low as he advocates. But I'm going to try it in a more moderate way.

In fact, I've cut way back on carbs in the past week and a half, and found I'd lost two pounds when I weighed myself today! That's a bigger loss than I usually have.

James, I've been avoiding meat because I don't like the way animals are treated on factory farms. That's really the only reason. But today I gave in and bought some turkey meat at Whole Foods that they say is raised humanely. I just couldn't think of enough protein that doesn't have significant carbs.

Thanks for the suggestion on protein powder, James. I'd be interested in the recipe, if you wouldn't mind sharing it.

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James, That's what I've understood from the research I've followed too. So I get confused by "experts" telling me to limit fat, particularly heart healthy fat. And the issue remains, if carbs are reduced as a percentage of my diet, something else has to make up the percentage -either protein or fats. There is no way to reduce everything percentage-wise.

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Sue, have you considered protein powder to get your protein? I have a great recipe for pancakes made from protein powder rather than flour.

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Meredith,
There is a minimal impact in your internal cholesterol from fats that you eat. The body generates cholesterol internally

Actually it may be carbs that indirectly raise internal cholesterol

www.healthcentral.com/cholesterol/c/
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Here is a Harvard Medical School article on the body generating cholesterol, even if you ate none.

www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Unde
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It is my guess that carbs can tip the internal cholesterol generation out of whack. I have never had a cholesterol issue myself, but I've seen a number of people post on low carb forums that their cholesterol issues resolve themselves when eating fewer carbs.

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Meredith, I have the same confusion. I'm doing a lot of reading online, but there are significant differences between some of the suggestions. I guess for now I'm just going to pick whatever makes the most sense to me and go with it. One thing that's confusing me is that not eating meat -- I don't -- means finding another type of protein. I do eat fish, cheese, and eggs, luckily. But I'd like to make much of my diet plant-based. Most of the plant-based proteins have carbs along with the protein, like beans. So often the guidelines talk about how healthy a plant-based diet is, for non-diabetics and diabetics alike, but they also say to cut down on carbs.

So I, too, am left feeling there isn't much I can eat! I've thought about going back to eating poultry, buying it at a place where I know the animals have been raised humanely, just to feel a little safer about the protein I'm getting.

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My basic confusion is: I'm curring down on carbs pretty significantly, but I'm supposed to reduce fat because of my cholesterol numbers, but I'm not supposed to eat too much protein, so where am I supposed to get calories? I wind up afraid to eat anything but rabbit food. I'll let you know what the nutrtionist says after I see her on Friday.

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GRAYCATBIRD,

My experience is that simpler carbs cause more of a spike in blood sugar. For a non-diabetic that spike is controlled within the hour. For a diabetic the spike lasts longer, even simple carbs hang around for 2 or 3 hours.

More complex carbs take longer to digest, so less of a spike and more of a long rounded hill. But add up enough of those rounded hills and your blood sugar is elevated for a long time.

So you either take drugs to help pack away the blood sugar into body fat, or you avoid the carbs in the first place.

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thanks, James! Yes, it does seem like there's a groundswell of change in the thinking about how internal cholesterol is caused. It'll be interesting to see if the "party line" about saturated fat changes anytime soon. I'm not sure what to believe -- I'm just waiting and reading studies as they come out!

I have stopped eating meat, but not so much for health reasons. I read a book in September about factory farms and the treatment of animals raised for meat, and I couldn't bear to eat it after that. I do still eat fish, and I eat dairy if I know the animals have been humanely treated. So I only eat certain brands of dairy. Fish I eat as a compromise with myself, because I know fishing is inhumane, too, but fish is so nutritious that I eat it. And I don't think I'd be able to stick to a vegan diet. At this point I'm glad I eat cheese, eggs, and fish, because so many of the vegan proteins are also carbs! I'm happy that my doc recommended cheese as one of the proteins I should eat, because I love it!

I'm going to a diabetes education class on the 15th and will be interested to hear what they say. I'll also probably see a nutritionist privately at least once.

The jury is still out for me on very low-carb eating, too. What I'm doing at the moment is cutting down on carbs and making them all complex carbs.

I really appreciate your support and the information you've given me! What you've said on metformin is one reason I'm going to try as hard as I can to control this without medication.My parents have Alzheimer's, and I'm not eager to lose any memory any sooner than I have to.

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GREYCATBIRD,
You have a reasonable doctor. All the adds on television that promote some drug say "When diet and exercise aren't enough, try our drug".

The problem is people don't know what they should change in what they eat to get healthier. If your cholesterol is high, then what? As it turns out the body generates most of the internal cholesterol, it is not cholesterol you eat so much, and as it turns out high carb eating will raise cholesterol.

Anyway, let me get off the soapbox. You just cut down on carbs, read your labels.

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Hi, teammates!

I wanted to let you know how my doctor's appointment went. On the whole, it was encouraging, if anything about having diabetes can ever be encouraging! He said I'm just barely into the diabetic range, and if I can make changes in my diet, lose weight, and keep exercising, I can keep any effects of the diabetes to a minimum and it shouldn't affect my life expectancy. He recommended not going on medication right now but trying to control it through lifestyle. He'll recheck it in three months, and if my A1C hasn't gone down, he will probably recommend metformin.

So I'm motivated! I want to live a long and healthy life!

Thanks for being here! This is a great team.

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Meredith,
There are essential amino acids that you get from eating protein. "Essential" means you have to get them in things you eat, you can't generate them from other things. So you have to eat some protein:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_am
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There are also "essential" fatty acids. So you need some fats in your diet:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fa
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Both fat and protein also provide calories, or energy, in addition to these essential building blocks of life. Carbohydrates however provide energy, but nothing else "essential". Note on the following page it says

"Carbohydrates are a common source of energy in living organisms; however, no carbohydrate is an essential nutrient in humans."

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbohydrate



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Meredith, that sounds like a scary experience. In view of what you're saying, I'm going to ask my doctor (whom I see today) if we can start out very gently with the medication, if he puts me on it (he said it was something we will "consider"). He also is going to refer me to a nutritionist.

I'm glad you're feeling better!

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Right now I feel like I need to figure out how my body responds to food/carbohydrates before I undertake a huge reduction. Hopefully, I'll be able to get there with a good nutritionist.

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It sounds like the metformin lowered your blood sugar too much. The symptoms of low blood sugar are:
- Sweating
- Nervousness, shakiness, and weakness.
- Extreme hunger and slight nausea.
- Dizziness and headache.
- Blurred vision.
- A fast heartbeat and feeling anxious.

I was on metformin for 11 years. I wish I had never been. I was doing software development for IBM, but now I'm on long term disability with cognitive impairment. There was no one day where you could definately say that the drugs did it. After all, 11 years is a slow grind.

That said, I don't count carbs, though I did about 2 years ago. If you do count carbs try to stay less than about 80 grams a day. I'm at abot 30 to 50 myself. Eighty is low, but not super restrictive. I now just don't eat "high" carb things. For me high carb is anything above 6% net carbs by weight. You might find that is freakishly low, but it allows me to have good blood sugar and be medication free. I found having to take pills all the time, and with me everywhere I went was also restrictive.


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So I followed my doctor's very limited advice and now have no confidence in him at all. He put me on 500 mg metformin xr per day, told me to double it in two weeks, and said he planned to bring me all the way up to 2000. Didn't really know what that meant. He never even mentioned the word hypoglycemia. Just told me to keep doing what I'm doing and to see a nutritionist, start counting carbs, and come back in two months. He also told me he didn't think I needed to keep track of my blood glucose with a glucometer. I told him I exercise quite a bit and often push myself, and he said that was fine. Of course I started counting carbs right away and reading everything I could. The first couple of days I felt okay, then started feeling worse and worse, like I was going to pass out, sweating, etc. And so, so tired I could barely drag myself out of my office. By yesterday I felt like if I took one more dose of that medicine I would die. So I called his office and he took me off the medication. Of course, he couldn't get any real information about what was going on since I didn't have a freaking glucometer. I'm feeling much better today, but I don't think my primary care physician has any clue what he is doing. I'm going to switch to an endocrinologist. Anyone else have this kind of experience with a primary? Am I overreacting? I just feel like he didn't have any regard for my safety or my health. Maybe he thought I was going to take the medication and go eat donuts for breakfast?

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MEREDITHB51,

I took my guidance from the Atkins diet. Atkins himself was a diabetic and managed his blood sugar very well by eating low carb. Do some research on him and his diet.

I went on a low carb diet (to loose weight) and found out accidentally that it controlled my blood sugar. So I just rediscovered what Atkins had already known.

When I eat 90 grams of carbs in a day my blood sugar is bad. When I eat around 30 it is just fine.

There are essential amino acids (from protein) and essential fats. Essential means you need to get them from food. But there is nothing nutritionally essential in carbs.

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Thanks James. I'm finding all kinds of conflicting information out there, and I'm having trouble evaluating my diet as a result. I'm trying to get an appointment with a good nutritionist who specializes in diabetes to help, but she sure seems to be in demand! I'll take your advice to only take a little of the troublesome things. My sister is making sure there are some good choices available. And I'll just enjoy the company. Have a Happy Thanksgiving!

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MEREDITHB51,
In general I have a terrible memory for what is good or bad for me to eat. Is avocado OK? Are Macademia nuts OK? What about peanuts, etc. etc. if I find some list somewhere where it says something is OK, can I trust them? What if later I forget and don't know which list what is on, or where that list is?

In short I eat things that are 6% carbs by weight, or less. So do your thanksgiving research ahead of time. If something is higher than that in carbs, and you don't want to discuss things yet, like mashed potatoes, then just take a small scoop of those, not the old 5 large heaping serving spoonfuls.

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I just got blood test results over the weekend showing me in the diabetic range. I'm going to my doctor shortly. My head is spinning with the information I'm gleaning on my own. This thread is helpful too. One of my first big challenges besides getting my head wrapped around all this is how to handle Thanksgiving. Anybody have any suggestions for strategies? I really don't want to make it the forum where my family finds out about my diagnosis.

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The insulin response to carbohydrates virtually locks up existing body fat. Insulin is sometimes called "the fat storage hormone".

So to loose weight you want to get out of storage mode. If grams and weighing things are too complicated then at least do some research on the nutrition of foods and look at their carbohydrate percentage by weight.

For example, we all "know" that rice is bad for diabetics. Why? If I google "nutrition white rice" I find a page, I select 100 grams as the quantity of rice and then I find it is 28 grams of carbs. Even if I don't know what a gram is, that tells me rice is 28% carbs.

I "know" broccoli is good for me, but why? The same research on broccoli shows 1% carbs.

Even if I don't weigh what I eat, which one is easier on my blood sugar?

If you change what you eat (lower carb percentage) you will have less insulin, you will have access to existing body fat, loose weight more easily and actually be less hungry.

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Hi, New here, my name is Deborah. I was diagnosed type 2 in July. My dietician said for carbs 3 or 4 per meal not the grams so I am lost with grams. I had someone tell me to lose pounds I need to go to 2 to 3. Who is right? I definitely need to lose, much more than I want to admit. Can anyone help? Thanks

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Subject: essential carbs

Cat, the North American adult average is 330 grams of net carbs a day. It is well known that eating carbs raises blood sugar. Going from 330 to 180 is not much of a reduction, yes cut in half, but ...

But if you know sugar is bad for you and rather than eating 3/4 of a pound of it (which is what 330 grams is pretty close to) you cut that in half, well that is good, but wouldn't you want to cut sugar down even more?

If you ask for what people eat on other low carb groups you will see around 30 to 50 grams a day, and those are not diabetics aiming for that. I avoid all carbs (except fibre) as much as I reasonably can. I need other things, like vitamins, if I get my vitamin C from green peppers I am going to get a few net carbs.

Protein and dietary fat are "essential" things that you must get from the food you eat for good health, in addition they also provide calories or energy. Carbohydrates provide only energy and nothing else "essential". So it is perfectly healthy to not eat any carbs at all. Not so for fat and protein.

Here are Wikipedia articles, as you read be on the lookout for the word "essential".
First on essential amino acids from dietary protein:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_am
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Then on dietary fat:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_Fa
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Lastly on carbohydrates:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbohydrate

Note that on this page is says "Carbohydrates are a common source of energy in living organisms; however, no carbohydrate is an essential nutrient in humans."

The diabetes association knows that type 2 diabetics should avoid carbs, but they don't want to annoy or shock people. So rather than tell them to avoid carbs they say just cut down a little on the stuff that is bad for you, and take some pills for the rest of your life.

I get my energy from mostly fat and protein. I've come up with 6% net carbs by weight rule to keep me for buying things with lots of carbs, without memorizing what I should eat, or not, and guiding me on new things.

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I am not really sure what guidelines to follow. Different diabetic sites I googled say 40 to 60 per meal (carbs) so that would be 120-180 per day.

How come you are doing only 30 per day? Is that kind of low?

Just trying to get knowledge on this subject.

Thanks for your insight.

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I don't break my carbs down by meal, but that seems like the extension of a good idea. I break them down by day (30 grams per day). It makes sense, if you told me 30x7 or 210 for the week I would think I was crazy to eat 90 on Monday and have 120 the rest of the week.

Whatever works for you.

As a student I remember some classmates who fell asleep in class after lunch. I didn't attribute that to carbs, but I do now.

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Hello all! Today is Sunday. Looks like rain; snow in high elevation, hope it misses us down in the valley.

Eating pretty well, just need to fill in gaps as I am on target with carbs but low on protein.

Did get one blood reading in today. Keep forgetting I need to do.

Have a good rest of the day.

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It's after midnight, but I am going by daylight savings time and I gain an hour HA!
I just finished tracking my foods for the day. I dipped into the Halloween candy. Thank goodness it was fun size candybars, so I didn't do too much damage; but enough to know better.

I understand the total carbs should be broken down for each meal. I have been figuring if I meet the total for the day, cool. Not really a good idea. Better to fulfill the totals for each meal and snack.

I am slowly getting the hang of this and am dedicated to changing my attitude.

I feel much better when I don't eat a lot of carbs and I don't get so sleepy.

Forward Ho! Everyone have a good night's rest. Thanks for encouragement and pointers.

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At 30 to 50 grams of carbs a day you would probably loose 2 to 3 pounds a week.

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CASSIE052,
Welcome.

Good morning. It is now the day after a diabetics worst day of the year. All that sugar on Halloween. I survived by eating only a few things that I shouldn't really have had. Some (10-20) black jelly beans).

I read some of your posts. Do track what you eat, most critically track grams of net carbs (not counting fibre). Initially aim for 50 grams a day. A slightly hard target, and it will mean making alternate choices. My personal guideline is 6%. If something is more than 6% net carbs by weight then I don't eat it. Bananas, at 20% are off my list.

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Good Morning. Hope all have a beautiful day.

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Hello All. It's good to be here and I am looking forward to being an active member.
I have a lot of head knowledge as to what to eat and how to exercise, but I simply fail to enact.
It is my hope I can get started slowly and grow as I go and do as I say; as I tell everyone else. I am so good at giving everyone advice, but I don't follow my own. I hope to change that.

Forward ho, focus and enjoy!

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Yeah I guess I learned that lesson the hard way.

I'm very sensitive to how the higher BS makes me feel....if it were to be real high like 250 or something, I guess I'd have to go to the hospital.

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I checked the nutrition on a Hardee steak biscuit. What do you know, somewhere on the Internet you can find that.

It weighs 180 grams and has 44 grams of net carbs, just under 25% carbs by weight. Four times my personal limit.

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Had a Hardee's steak biscuit at 9am....at12:30 pm feel bad, feet numb, arm numb, face tingly...checked blood sugar and it is 167.

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Supper today was salt and pepper chicken wings. I didn't weigh anything, or count anything, but those wings are 3% carbs by weight (so the nutrition label on the box says) well under my 6% cutoff. Then with that as my protein I had a big mixed salad with feta cheese and ranch dressing.

The carb values on each of those are:
Mixed greens (4%)
Feta cheese (4%)
Ranch dressing (7%)

Of course I didn't go overboard on anything. I didn't eat 30 chicken wings, no, I had about 8 of them.



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that is great James. Thanks 6% so much easier to manage.

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I don't like memorizing what I should or should not eat. So I came up with my 6% rule. If something is 6% net carbs or less then I eat it. When shopping, if something has a nutrition label then this is easy to make a decision on.

For things that have no label, then I google the item with the word nutrition. For example googling "nutrition kiwi" shows that 100 grams of kiwi fruit has 15 grams of carbs, and 3 of those are fibre, so 15-3 = 12 grams of net carbs. This is 12%, double my 6% limit. So I don't buy kiwis.

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James

Thanks for the information. That makes sense that you want the least amount of calories with the most amount of nutrition. I guess it will just take me a while to figure out the things like green peppers having more vitamin C than oranges and without the sugar. I'm sure that as I continue this journey it will get easier for me to figure these things out.

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LILSUZY1057,

Energy comes from three places, carbohydrates, protein, or fat.

Carbs raise blood sugar the most (e.g. Burger buns, fries). Dietary fat doesn't raise blood sugar, and protein does so very little.

You need a certain amount of protein for good healthy, typically about 60 to 80 grams a day as a minimum. You also need some fat for good health. Carbs have nothing that you need. They provide energy, but nothing more.

Eating "healthy" is rather vague. What does it really mean? Well Fuhrman has an interesting equation:

HEALTH = NUTRITION/CALORIES

Still rather fuzzy, but you get the idea that you want the most nutrition for the least calories. There are many nutrients. Consider vitamin C. One would think you need to eat oranges to get vitamin C. All that sugar in oranges is not good for diabetics. So now what?

As it turns out green peppers have more vitamin C per calorie than oranges, and no you don't need to eat 20 green peppers a day to get what you need, something close to about half a green pepper is enough.

The idea I am trying to get across as that most high carb things have very few nutrients.

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2009GETINLINE,

It looks like you are doing your carb calculations right.

While the North American average net carbs for an adult is around 300 per day, in order to loose weight easily you need to get to about 30. Your applesauce alone is half of that.

Yes, I too had some constipation issues in the first few weeks of going low carb. Psyllium husks are fine in my books, which is what Metamucil has. I think you've mad the right choice with Metamucil clear, other versions have a heap of sugar added to make it taste sweet.

I don't know about the carb counter. I just use a notebook and a pen (I'm a primitive guy).


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I go to church later on today. I got sick last week, so I'm taking 1/2 of my breakfast with me.

applesauce, flatbread and egg white.

applesauce carbs 37.2- fiber 22.1= 15.1
flatbread carbs 12.8- (fiber 8.7, + sugar 1.3 (10) minus 12.8=2.8

2.8 plus 15.1, =17.9 breakfast and lunch. If this is correct...how do I read the carb count on my nutrition menu. Just sort of deduct my fiber?
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I'm going back to my vegetable spray, using extra virgin olive oil and coconut oil is just toooooo much fat.
Gaining and constipated...I think it's the fat along with the low fiber.

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2009GETINLINE,

Every carb is essentially the same, except for fibre. Fibre is technically (from a chemistry point of view) a carbohydrate. All carbohydrates have 4 calories of energy per gram. Humans can't digest fibre, so we don't count it, and you've correctly subtracted it out.

Now while all carbs have 4 calories per gram, they differ in structure to some degree. The simpler ones like glucose are digested very quickly and spike the blood sugar very quickly. Others, like beans are digested more slowly, probably because the carbs are more tangled with other things, like fibre, and take longer for the digestive juices to reach.

Same digestible carbs but a more smoothed out digestion, a lower GI number.

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OHHHH. Thank you.
apple is 21 carbs - 3 grams of fiber it's 18. So I need a fiber supplement to lower the carbs.
Konsyl is 5+3 grams of sol/insol fiber. SO I would subtract 18-8 for 10 net grams of fiber?
What is the glysemic index? Do I add that on too? WHEW!

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Okay. I started taking Metformin today. I haven't felt bad today yet. I usually get ill feelings about 2PM. My AG1 was 7.4.
But the real problem my chlosterol medication clashed with my meds. 10 days in the hospital just to find that out.
FOODS: I'm allowed 15 gross grams per meal thingy, I'm below my limit.
1. Why does the chart say I'm eating a lot of fat? I'm below the fats limit.
2. I'm allowed 1 fruit per day. 1/2 as a snack. So I have 2 snacks. 1 apple a day.
3. How do I get in 40 grams of fiber? Gluten intolerance and the flours has a lot of carbs.
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That's interesting to know I might try them.

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The Atkins bars are very tempting indeed. I love them. I'd really eat too many of them if I didn't watch myself. So 1/2 a bar in the late evening now, not a full bar anymore.

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Some of those Atkins bars are tempting, aren't they. I'm trying to stick to the shakes....lower carbs. But the bars are good treat, one every once in a while.

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JRWELL58,
I was 217 pounds as an all time high in my life, but 195 pounds when I started my current diet.

I started on the "Ideal Protein" diet for about 5 months, and that was 27 months ago, and transitioned to a fairly eclectic, but low carb diet after that.

I found by accident, that after 3 days on the Ideal Protein diet that my blood sugar was on the high end of normal without any medication. I just forgot to take my medication a few days into the diet and measured my blood sugar at the end of the day. I was surprised. I haven't taken any diabetes medication since that day.

The amount of carbs on IP is around 30 grams of net carbs a day. So I stick to that number and it works for me. I have accidentally gone up to 90 a day by eating about 3 Atkins bars in a day (each with 20 grams of net carbs) and my blood sugar went to 11.8 mmol/l (212.4 mg/dl).

I know that there is also a connection between body fat and blood sugar, so I know what you are asking about how much weight I had to loose before tapering off any medication. I was probably already low enough. However I'm still hoping for a cure rather than a management of my blood sugar issues.

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James I've stuck to the reversal diet 3 days now. Last night about 11pm I got so hungry, I ate the rest of my summer squash/tomato/red bell pepper medley....thinking hey this is a very healthy snack.

This morning my FBS was 138! It has been running about 118.

I should mention....I am not newly dx. I think I was dx 4 years ago.

And I take 500mg metformin twice daily.

Were you able to come off metformin when you lost all that weight?

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JRWELL58,
I've also read about some low calorie diets reversing diabetes, not just managing it. Good luck, let us know how it goes.

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So what do you guys think of the study that was done I think in 2011 where the diabetics were put on strict 600 calorie a day diets of liquid diet drink (I think it was Optifast), along with green vegetables (low carb)? The findings were that the strict diet for 8 weeks reversed diabetes and brought BS to normal.

The articles say the diet works by removing fat from the pancreas. I'm sure I have a lot packed there.

I've started the diet...today is my third day. First before starting I spent a week staying in line with my tracker recommendations. That helped get me ready for the reduced calories.

So now I am having an Atkins shake (150 cals) 4 times a day. For lunch and dinner I enjoy things like tomatoes and green beans.

Hope I can stick with it for 8 weeks. If I can, then I'll try to stick it out.

My 43 year old daughter inadverdently has done the diet since June and has lost 30 pounds. She had an ulcer and it hurt to eat, especially anything bad, so she just picked at grilled chicken and green beans mostly, only eating about 600 calories a day. Her A1c went from 6 to 5.1. She had never been dx as diabetic.

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It's okay James, I know you are a low carb proponent.....and when I am able to stick to a very low carb diet, 50 grms or less, I sure do lose weight and fast....but then I get hungry and gain it all back plus some.

Right now I am just trying to stick to the recommended guidelines on my tracker. Which is a huge improvement over my usual banana pudding and chocolate pie days.

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JRWELL58,
It's not poor willpower. In my opinion carbs are addictive, like heroin.

Oatmeal - 10% carbs by weight
Grapes - 15%
Peaches - 10%
Apples - 12%
Granola - 60%
Pudding - 20%

Sorry to get on my low carb horse, but as they say "when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail".


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I have been having a hard time staying on track because I LOVE FOOD! It seems, for whatever reason, I have an easier time staying on track (the guidelines in my nutrition tracker) if I eat the same thing every day. Oh, but of course all will agree that limits my nutritional intake. This week I am having: oatmeal made with milk and served with fruit (strawberries, grapes, apples, or peaches) for breakfast, one can of great northern beans served with vidalia onion and fresh tomato for lunch, then for dinner a Chick fil a grilled market salad with their toppings (granola, and nuts) and ranch dressing.

I guess some personalities do better with staying inside a defined box. Last week I was not inside a box and did crazy things like fried chicken and banana pudding....and worse.

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