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I appreciate your response.

My liver enzymes have been high for a couple of years. The doctor assumed it was weight related, confirmed the fatty liver disease and left it at that. If I have an underlying problem, they haven't looked for it. I wasn't losing weight at the time. If anything, it just made it harder for me to lose weight.

The "eat eat eat" mode was actually one of the symptoms that I had diabetes, I just didn't know it. It's not something doctors tell you about; they just treat you like you're having a moral failing. I wasn't losing weight unexpectedly, I wasn't excessively thirsty, and I wasn't urinating more frequently, all the classic signs of diabetes. My symptoms were just that I was just excessively tired, hungry all the time even when I knew I was full, and was getting frequent yeast infections. Once I started the metformin, even before I started the low carb, my appetite dropped back down to normal. In fact, I've feel better now than I've felt in the past 6-9 months. I think I was having blood sugar problems for that long before anyone caught it.

I've stopped using splenda. In fact, I use no sugar at all....artificial or otherwise. And I avoid, as much as I can, any product that has artificial sugar in it. This really limits what I eat (no yummy low carb desserts), but I don't like stevia and I don't want to use anything else. I get most of my carbs from vegetables and some from nuts. I have started tracking again, just to get an idea of what's going on.

For now, this seems to be working. I'm not eating as much. I feel okay. I'm losing weight. I even took a walk today, which, several months ago, was something I was too tired to do. I'm trying to take a long term view point with this and slowly develop habits that will be sustainable in the long term.

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ZOEWMU,

your last post has a lot of information. I had some thoughts and questions as I read it, so here it comes ...

I too had some high liver enzymes at one point. I have ulcerative colitis, and at that point during a severe attack, all sort of things were inflamed. I had really bad headaches, plus inflamed pancreas, liver, and my large intestine was a real mess. I did have a liver biopsy at that time. No big deal really. I won't go into details, but it wasn't so bad. At that time in my life I was loosing weight as fast as one possibly could, even though I was eating plenty of food.

Do you have some sort of general inflammatory illness, and liver inflammation would be part of that?

In principle the glycemic index is an idea with some merit. Slowly digested carbs, perhaps because they are well enmeshed with indigestible fibre, should avoid spikes in blood sugar, as they load is spread out over a longer time. However for myself, I'm running at the edge of what my body can handle, and it is the total carb load that I watch in a day, I don't care if they are fast or slow carbs. If I eat too many carbs my blood sugar too high and for too long, like for 12 hours, not the typical 4 shown on those charts.

Powdered Splenda is bulked up to "measure" like sugar. But it is bulked with maltodextrin. Read the label on your Splenda box. Maltodextrin is a carb, and though it has fewer calories per gram than sugar it is just as bad for my blood sugar as regular sugar. I've done lab rat experiments on myself. Take my blood sugar, drink a warm glass of water with a few tablespoons of powdered Splenda dissolved in, and then taken my blood sugar every 15 minutes after drinking that. What do you know. Blood sugar goes up, as if I had just done that with regular sugar.

The serving size on Splenda is also ridiculously low, like 1 gram in a packet. This is chosen because the legislation legally allow a company to not list anything in a serving that is less than a gram, in theory to avoid label clutter. Splenda has Sucralose and maltodextrin, each of which have to be less than a gram in a one gram package ... ta-da, after legally omitting the nutrition information of both Sucralose and maltodextrin, you get zero calories.

As to being on "eat eat eat" mode due to eating carbs. You should be feeling a more even hunger when you eat mainly protein and fat, and some carbs that come in small quantity in good things like broccoli.

Your blood pressure is down, and this is after stopping blood pressure medication? Good stuff. I have no idea why.

I just want you to know that I understand your medical issues to some degree, and have sympathy. As I said, I too had high liver enzymes at one point years ago.

- James


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Just checking back in. I'm meeting with the endocrinologist this week. I'm hoping he will actually do some digging for me. I met with the liver doctor last week. He's rechecking my liver enzymes next month. He says if they don't start dropping again, he'll do a liver biopsy. I'm assuming, since I'm eating low carb and losing weight, that they will start dropping again. I think they started going up again when my blood sugars started running high. That's my theory anyways.

I'm still eating low carb. I've been reading about glycemic load and it's interesting, but I don't understand it well enough to put it into practice. Low carb is something I can do without putting too much thought into it. I'm also trying to limit artificial sugars. I don't like stevia and I think splenda doesn't like my liver. I've gotten myself to drink coffee with just cream. This is huge progress for me.

I'm still taking the metformin. I'm kind of scared not to. When I was having the symptoms of diabetes (but hadn't been diagnosed) I tried to start low carbing because I knew I needed to lose weight. I couldn't do it. My head was in such an "eat eat eat" mode due to the high blood sugars that I couldn't stay on any eating plan. I worry that getting off the metformin will send my blood sugars back to that and I'll start eating everything in sight again. Logically I know that, once I start testing my blood sugar, I can know whether or not it's out of whack and know if managing my blood sugar by diet is working. Emotionally, I don't want to go back there again. I also know, logically, that I could stop taking it and restart again if I needed to. Emotionally, I'm not ready to try. I'm hoping the doctor can help.

The good news is my blood pressure is down. Even with the medication, before low carb, it was running borderline high....140/95ish. When I was at the doctor last week, the first arm she took it in it was 90/60. She then took it in the right and it was 120/80. Maybe by the end I can get off both those medications and avoid a liver biopsy.

It's amazing what 3 weeks can do.

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T2DIABETIC,
I really have mixed feelings about welcoming anyone to this team. Being a T2 diabetic is not something you want. But welcome anyways.

I don't have any specific recipies, but I have my shopping, and eating guidelines. If a recipe meets the grade, then put it on your "OK to eat list", otherwise it is history.

My personal goal is to limit my carbohydrate intake to around 30 grams a day. All carbs (except fibre) impact blood sugar. So sugar, with 100% of its weight as carbs, is out. But there are things that are not sweet, that are also high carb, like wheat, which has 80% of its weight as carbs. So nearly the same as sugar. A close second place.

For now, breakfast can be eggs (any style), bacon, or other meats, like sausages, coffee with cream (no sugar).

Any meat has zero carbs, so any meat is fine, just no sweet sauces, or breaded coatings, just dry seasonings: salt, pepper, steak spice, garlic powder ...

I'm here for you anytime. Everyday really.

Butter is zero carb, cheese is pretty much zero. My breakfast this morning was a couple of eggs in a cheese omelette, and coffe with a dash of whipping cream. I often have waffles. Now there is a recipe I can point you to if you are willing to buy some vanilla protein powder.

So read your labels when shopping, or on what is in the house, and if carbs are too high, just don't eat it.

So a quick list to get you started. What to eat and not eat based on the percentage of weight that is carbohydrates:

DO NOT EAT THINGS ON THIS LIST:
Sugar (100%)
Wheat (80%)
Rice (28%)
Potatoes (20%)

DO EAT THINGS ON THIS LIST:

Broccoli (4%)
Califlower (2%)
Romaine lettuce (1%)
Cheese (1%)
Bacon (0.2%)
Ham (0%)
Chicken (0%)
Steak (0%)

I'm here for you.

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MRSLATHAM1,

The first paragraph in your last post is exactly right. Your body will turn some protein into glucose for that small part of your brain. Of course you can eat that protein, it doesn't have to be your own muscles being "eaten", and you having less and less muscle mass.

Indeed if you eat more protein than you need for maintenance of your lean mass (muscles and organs) then the excess must be processed, and it can be turned into yet more glucose. I've seen people on a "Keto" team I'm on get higher blood sugar when eating quite a bit of protein, and needing to cut down to 80 or so grams a day, not 130.

Hard to say why your body went into a different mode after that glucose tolerance test.

....

As for enjoying foods. I eat far differently than before. I enjoy it more than before. Yes I don't eat potato chips, or rice, or pasta, and a bunch of stuff. But I enjoy what I do eat. As I write this I'm eating ice-cream with strawberries. Now the ice-cream is home made, from cream cheese and heaving whipping cream and cherry Mio flavouring. On my carb weight percentage scale:

Cream cheese (6%)
Heavy whipping cream (3%)
Strawberries (5%)

I make whipped cream, mix in cream cheese and Mio, freeze it, ... ta da, something close to ice-cream. I'm still working on the recipe. But my best ice-cream to date.

The thing about high carb foods is that they are truly addictive. That addiction manifests itself by you thinking that they taste good. The theory that I subscribe to is that they are there to fatten you up to survive winter.

If you seriously cut carbs for a few months, you will be surprised how good other things taste, and should you try one of your old high carb foods, you will also be surprised at how "dead" it tastes. So what I'm telling you in all this is that a change in diet to get better blood sugar (and so better health, and maybe some body fat loss) is that it isn't just a loss of tasty foods, it is a gain of new tasty things, that didn't used to taste so good. Tastes change, trust me.

p.s. If you are watching my weight it is dropping. 172.6 pounds this morning, but about 6 weeks ago it was about 10 pounds higher. I am just plain eating less, but in fat burning mode (Ketosis) it is with a lot less hunger.


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What I'm getting from your puzzle is that even though you may eliminate carbs from your diet, you still need some carbs for proper brain function. Also with that elimination process, your body will find other foods to turn into glucose, i.e. proteins.

I find a raise in level after I've moved around as opposed to checking my level immediately after waking up.

Actually, I've always felt like after I took the A1C test, my body started doing weird things. I didn't even know I was diabetic until I had my annual physical and he ordered the test. No foods bothered until after I drank that nasty glucose liquid. Now that I'm on Metformin, well, you know the side effects, but it makes eating a horrible task instead of the enjoyment it once was.. emoticon

About the weather, I usually drink waaay more than the recommended 8 glasses a day on a regular day. I have a container that holds 58 ounces and I usually drink 2-3 of those a day. On a 90+ degree day I usually double that so I was surprised on one of those days my level was through the roof!

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MRSLATHAM1,

let me tell you what I am puzzling over these days. The liver and muscles both store glucose in something called glycogen. At the start of a low carb diet you deplete your glucose storage and associated water, and quickly loose out 5 pounds, hurray! Then things seriously slow down as after that you are loosing body fat, maybe 2 pounds a week if you are on track and don't snack on higher carb things, or just plain too many calories.

So my puzzle is this, and you'll see why I'm a scientist (OK a Physicist specifically) at heart. Your brain needs about 400 calories day. It can run on glucose (from carbs) and so need about 100 grams of carbs a day.
chemistry.about.com/od/chemistryfaqs
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The majority of it can also run on ketones (from fat) but one small part of it needs about 30 grams of glucose a day. Even if you eat no carbs at all, your body will turn protein into glucose (process called gluconeogenesis) just to satisfy the needs of that part of the brain. I think this generation of glucose is done in the liver. Hmm, is that only from protein you eat, or can your muscles be cannibalized to produce glucose for the brain, hmmm.

So my puzzle is this, if you eat super low carbs, can your liver still produce enough glucose from protein that you get high blood sugar? Probably, probably if you eat too much protein.

Indeed your question was about the liver releasing glucose on a hot day, and thus raising your blood sugar. Yup, yup. For myself, I want my liver depleted from as much glucose as I can to avoid these things.

Interesting questions you've got.


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MRSLATHAM1,

You are very observant of you blood sugar behaviour. Wow!

Yes, I too find that I have one number when I wake up, and just moving around changes it. Once I took my blood sugar, went for a 30 minute walk, expecting to lower my blood sugar, but after my walk it was actually higher.

So what did you find after your morning movement, higher or lower than when you woke up?

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First, on the hot weather.

Yes, in hot weather you can dehydrate. In really hot dry weather, like dessert conditions in the summer, the beads of sweat don't even form because they evaporate so quickly. You don't even know it, but you are loosing a lot of water in those conditions and drinking plenty of water is critical.

I was in Egypt once, it was 40 C (104 F), and I didn't break a sweat because it was evaporating so quickly in the dry air.

That said, if you get dehydrated it looks like this page:
www.livestrong.com/article/239458-ho
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does-dehydration-affect-blood-glucosR>e-levels/

says:
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When you're dehydrated, your body produces a hormone called vasopressin, according to "The New York Times." Vasopressin causes your kidneys to retain water and also prompts your liver to produce blood sugar, which may lead to elevated blood-glucose levels.
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So yes, hot weather can lead to dehydration, and dehydration can lead to higher blood sugar levels.

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The reason I asked is because in Michigan the weather changes so quickly to the point that we'll have nice summer days around 79/80 degrees with no humidity and a really nice breeze and the next day it will be in the 90s with humidity that's the same temperature.

My next question is, does too much movement and/or time before checking your levels in the morning have an affect on your numbers? I notice that sometimes my numbers are different based on if I have little movement (when I first wake up) or a lot (right before I walk out the door). I'm just inquisitive because I'm still trying to learn my way and how to deal with this.

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I'll think about that. Gotta go for now.

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Wow, I'm sorry to hear that but I'm glad you caught it in time. By me being a full time worker, full time wife, and student who takes two classes a semester, B-12 is one of the supplements I take daily because if I didn't I couldn't function from 5:30 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. on a consistent basis.

Since you stated you're a PhD I have a question: In terms of the weather, does extreme heat aid in any way in causing an increase of a person's blood levels?

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MRSLATHAM1,

I know from experience, actually a bad experience, that I can't keep,my blood sugar under control at 90 grams a day, not without metformin.

I'm really p*ssed that 12 years of metformin caused some irreversible effects on me. I have cognitive impairment. Poor short term memory because metformin interferes with vitamin B absorbtion, and B12 is important for memory. I am on long term disability due to that, so I have a personal reason to really dislike diabetes medication. I have a Ph.D. In theoretical physics, and I can't remember an appointment unless I write it down, and then I have to remember to check my daily calendar to see if I've written anything in there.

That is why I now eat low carb with a vengeance, and no longer take diabetes meds, and my brain is not getting worse. I just wanted to let you know why I am so strongly low carb.



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Thanks. I'll be tossing that Post Raisin Bran out post-haste!

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MRSLATHAM1,
I have a pin, so sorry to burst your bubble. Post raisin bran is not your friend.

I avoid carbs like the plague, but not fat or protein. I don't eat low fat in addition to low carb, as that would leave only protein (well alcohol too).

I've been controlling my blood sugar by eating low carb for 5 years. I do eat plenty of fat. While every calorie is the same as far as energy goes, the side effects on the body are very different.

Dietary fat for example has zero impact on blood sugar, so for a diabetic, dietary fat is no villian at all. I put heavy whipping cream in my coffee, not milk, or skim milk, I want that fat.

I currently eat about 30 grams of carbs a day. They get spent on vegetables and low carb fruits like blackberries. Let me look at the carbs in that raisin bran breakfast:
nutritiondata.self.com/facts/breakfa
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That serving of cereal has 45 grams of carbs, 7 of which are indigestible fibre, do 45-7 leaves 38 grams of net or digestible carbs.

Skim milk:
nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-a
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Half a cup of that, 7 grams of carbs. So far that totals 45, which is a day and a half for me.

If you had put sugar on that, a tablespoon has about 12 grams, and that is the reduction.

Breakfast items for me:
Each egg: 1 gram of carbs
Cheese (like in an omelette): 5 grams in a whole pound of cheese, but who can eat that much?
Coffee: 0 grams
2 tablespoons of cream in my coffee: 2 grams of carbs
10 slices of bacon: 1 gram of carbs

So if I have a three egg omelette, with some cheese, and 5 slices of bacon and coffe with cream it looks like about 6 grams of carbs, with a huge number, 24 left for the rest of my day.



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Ok, I was just perusing some of the post and you made my heart sink! You're telling me that Post Raisin Bran with no sugar and a half cup of fat free skim milk is no longer my friend?? emoticon Say it isn't so! emoticon

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CANDUSU,

Awww, your post really brightens my day. Thanks.

Yes, it becomes easier because as you go and learn, you know what not to eat, and what to eat. Shopping and picking things in a restaraunt becomes more routine, you just know what to pick. Chicken and salad at Swiss chalet, ... just plain excellent.

As you feel (but haven't weighed yourself), eating lower carb means less insulin, less fat storage. Your body isn't trying to save you from high blood sugar by packing it away.

Yes things that you do eat taste better as you avoid carbs, so what you do eat is more of a delight. Your sense of smell and taste get better. If I have a taste of milk these days it actually tastes a little sweet to me, and it never did before. Food is more aromatic, I really can smell it. I have re-learned why small children smell their food, ... because they can, they aren't carb overloaded yet. My whole sense of what I liked eating changed. I just plain accepted that I now liked raw zucchini in ranch dressing. I was a traitor to my former preferences, but so be it, it just meant something more that I enjoyed, not all cutting the list to fewer things to enjoy eating.

The change in body chemistry, from being most efficient at getting energy out of carbs, to energy out of fat and protein, does not happen overnight. No, about a week or so. After that high carb things get slowly less appealing. Where I am now, mashed potatoes make me think of wallpaper paste. I just can't eat them. Sad huh?

Lastly, if someone else can notice your weight loss, it is actually quite a bit. In my experience it is not 10 pounds down that some else can actually "see" on you, but more than that, maybe 15 to 20. How long since you started changing your eating pattern?

Happy for you,

James

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Thank you! Still in the process of emptying so many things out of cupboards and pantry, this advice and guideline really helps. We've now got largest cupboard full of Mom stuff - boy does that help! Spices, dried beans and legumes, oils and vinegars. I love that the freezer is still my domain - meats, veggies and some fruits for my occasional Yonana treats.
This is becoming easier (and tastier - because i put more thought and time into every meal). I really didn't anticipate the weight loss, and I avoid scales and mirrors, but my daughter has noticed at Swiss chalet - 1/4 chicken and garden salad. Kids chose a booth and she almost shouted ---- "Hey Mom, Look! You fit!!"

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GREATCAB,

As I've found along my type-2 diabetes journey, all carbs raise blood sugar, not just sugar. Even rice, which doesn't taste sweet to me.

So although I have no type-2 recipies, I can suggest "normal" foods to eat, or not eat, and modifications to make. I have a personal 6% rule. If something has more than 6% (or more) of its weight as carbohydrates, I don't eat it, or maybe just a taste, but not a serving of it.

So with that 6% in mind here is what not to eat:
Sugar (100%)
Rice (28%)
Potatoes (15%)
Pasta (25%)
Cashews (27%)
Wheat (80%)
Bread (50%)

Now if you want fake mashed potatoes boil and then mash some cauliflower, then mix in some whipping cream and spices (salt, pepper,... )

Here are some just fine vegetables to eat:
Cauliflower (3%)
Broccoli (4.4%)
Romaine lettuce (1.2%)
Green beans (3.6%)

But like potatoes, here are some things to avoid:
Peas (9%)
Carrots (7%)

So there is an example. You might have a taste of carrots on your plate, just a few, just enough to say you know what they taste like. But honestly, if you are trying to get better blood sugar, at least for a while avoid the middle ground of stuff.

Then there is meat. I don't know of any meat that isn't just fine:
Chicken (0%)
Beef (0%)
Lobster (0%)
Salmon, or any other fish (0%)
Bacon (1%)
...

But watch the sauces. No sweet sauces or gravy thickened with flour (wheat).

I like dessert. For starters I suggest Greek yogurt flavoured with a little Mio, which has many choices, lemon is good, and a few of the fruits below, just a small handful.
Mio (0%)
Greek yogurt (4%)
Raspberries (5%)
Blackberries (5%)
Strawberries (6%)

So there you have it. A good way to guide you on what to eat, or not. And not just a "eat this" and 'don't eat this" list, but also why this and not that, and you are able to check things out for yourself, and read labels when shopping, and make good choices.

I'm sure you are going to be shocked when you open your cupboard and read labels or do research. Oh, that is what it is. No more cornflakes with banana and milk for breakfast:
Corn flakes (80%)
Banana (20%)
Milk (5%)

If you thought that by not putting a little sugar on something like that, that you would be doing much, you would be mistaken, a tablespoon of sugar on top of that is just a drop in the bucket.

I eat eggs for breakfast. Check the nutrition of those, and maybe some cheese in that. I also make a great waffle, but using protein powder for the base.

Now go check out things in your kitchen, read the labels, calculate the percentage of weight that is carbs, and you'll go "well now wonder my blood sugar is high, ... should I just throw this out?". I'll help you more if you post again. I'm here for you.

James

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I just wanted to let you know that you are completely normal.

When you transition into low carb, that is seriously reduce your carb intake, then your body turns to its glycogen reserves, basically carbs stored in the liver and muscles. Those are packaged with a lot of water. So about 5 pounds of your weight loss is that.

But in 9 days, the other 4 pounds is probably body fat. So if you stay on that path of low carbs I'll predict 2 pounds of weight loss per week for a while to come. Don't be dissapointed that it isn't 4 or 5 per week.

The fact that you feel so much better and alert has to tell you this is healthier for you.

Good going!

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wow...just wow. I've stayed on the metformin. I'm meeting with an endocrinologist at the end of the month and figured I wouldn't change anything until I learned what he had to say. I started low carbing about 10 days ago. I've lost 9 pounds in that time. I feel so much better. I'm not sleeping all the time. I'm encouraged that I'm moving in the right direction.

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Welcome WESTPHILLYLADY. By joining this group it would seem that you were recently diagnosed as diabetic, and most likely type 2, which means you produce insulin, but ...

So, from you pr profile I see you want to loose weight, and you've been yo-yo-ing on that effort. The good news is that cutting carbs will help on both fronts. It also seriously reduces hunger too. I'm here to help you. Just speak up. I check this group every day.

After my 1 gram of carb breakfast I had way more than that at lunch. Probably 30 grams. Right now I'm sort of debaiting if I'm actually hungry for supper. Yah, it is 7:10 pm where I am, and I am slightly hungry.

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Eating protein powder waffles cold, well room temperature today. I actually like eating the waffles after they have cooled down and the butter does NOT melt in.

So zero carbs in the butter, and around 0.2, yes, a fifth of a gram of carbs in the two waffles.


My coffee has two tablespoons of whipping cream in it, which has 0.8 grams of carbs. It's like the stars have aligned, because that adds up to 1 gram of carbs in breakfast. Loads of fat and protein though. Which is good.


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MIDORI_SPARK,

Do you want a short essay on nutrition, essential fats and all that? Or links to Wikipedia pages that support the numbers of grams of carbs, fat and protein, or suggestions of books?

Or maybe more cooking ideas. They can be pretty simple, like bacon and eggs for breakfast (no toast).

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Yes, when I test I don't prick directly on the pad of the finger tip, the part I am always touching things with. I test on the sides of the finger tip, closer to the edge of the nail. Each finger has two sides like that, rather than one pad, so the pricks are yet more distributed.

A few less nerves there, and it is more out of the way, and not disturbed when I grab things. Nobody taught me this, somehow I just foigured it out myself.

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Learning to deal with side effects of meds by keeping meals at regular times and increasing water - it seems to be helping. While complaining about my sore fingertips to a friend I discovered she's been diabetic since she was 10 years old (how we missed this detail in conversations with this euchre buddy I just don't know). She showed me how to use the side of my finger below Fingernail and what a difference it makes. This learning curve is looking better day by day - it IS do-able.

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Thanks for the information, James. It's something I would definitely like to try, so I will start cutting back on carbs step by step. It's been tough to find the time to research all of this due to work and other pressing matters, so I appreciate reading about what worked for you. I will keep returning to this team's discussions for inspiration :)

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MIDORI_SPARK,

I know from eating a lentil based stew recently that they raised my blood sugar to a little ove 9 mmol/L, (about 165 mg/dL) the next day. Lentils are about 12% carbs by weight.

So eating 70 or 80 grams of carbs a day is more than I can handle. But if you cut carbs to about 40 a day you are pretty much guaranteed to control your blood sugar without drugs,band loose weight (body fat) too.

Your doctor is right. With a change in what you eat, and loosing some body fat, you probably can get off the metformin.

Sashimi is the raw fish, right, and sushi is the same fish on a bit of rice. Well, I choose what I eat by how much of it is carbohydrates. Ate 6% or less I eat it. I think you can stop dreaming of sashimi, it is fine for you, just not the rice. Here are the percentage of carbs in those things:
- cooked white rice (20%)
- salmon (0%)

Virtually any fish, cooked or raw is going to be 0% carbs and around 20% protein.

Don't worry about eating too few carbs, that can't be done, because from a nutrition point of view you don't need any. Here on Wikipedia:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbohydrate
on that page further down:
"Carbohydrates are a common source of energy in living organisms; however, no carbohydrate is an essential nutrient in humans."

So read labels when you shop. As a Canadian you know that one milllitre of anything liquid is pretty much a gram, and the rest of the label lists grams of stuff. Like heavy whipping cream, this Canadian label:



15 ml portion will be close to 15 grams, 3 of which are carbs, so about 18% carbs. So I am just careful with the cream in my coffee because it is more than 6%.

I have to tell you that the dietician that my doctor sent me to didn't help a lot. I was not aware of going low carb, and she didn't seem to specialize in diabetes patients.

So, don't worry about dietary fat, don't worry about protein (keep it at 70 or so grams a day) but cut carbs all that you can.

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Hi James,

Thank you for the kind welcome :)

I am half Japanese, and I live in Canada. I do love Japanese food, and since I was diagnosed (last Thursday), my biggest consolation has been dreaming of sashimi :)

I've been reading through some of the team posts because I'm feeling a little lost. My doctor started me on Metformin, but gave me no diet advice. She referred me to a nutritionist who is booked up until mid-July, so I'm relying on the internet for my information right now. I'm struggling to find foods that I feel are "safe", while also not making me sick (the pills are making me very queasy and I've found dairy makes me especially sick).

Because I've been so uncertain about my food choices, I think I have been eating too little and doing myself more harm. It's been hard for me to concentrate on anything else because I have so little energy.

My numbers were within a low enough range that my doctor did not ask me to monitor my blood sugar levels on my own, and I do not need insulin. She is also hopeful that if I can make enough progress in the next three months, she may be able to take me off the Metformin. That is my goal. Any advice towards that, I would really appreciate!

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MIDORI_SPARK,

Are you living in Japan, or eating Japanese cuisine?

I manage my blood sugar by avoiding carbs. One of the restaraunts I like is a Japaneese one. As a foreigner I never know how authentic up is. But I find the food great for me, except I don't eat the rice or noodles. But plenty of beef, chicken, fish, nice vegetables.

I'm here for you. I took my pills for a long time, but ultimately got everything under control by diet alone. You don't have to have 20 years of bad blood sugar like I did.

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CANDUSU,

As for "I choose not to eat pure sugar ..."

I don't let my grandchildren choose what to eat. I don't ask them, because the answer may be a can of alphagetti. I do offer them a choice, and in picking, just between two things, they feel like they are in control.

So, with the chicken, do you want green beans or broccoli?

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CANDUSU:
In the middle of this "discussion" is the recipe:
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Make double the portion in the recipe, so 80 grams of powder, 2 eggs, etc.

30 grams is roughly an ounce.

If you need maple syrup, ... Oh oh. Regular stuff is loaded with sugar. If you find walden farms syrup, they make a zero carb one (so I'm told). I am in Canada and haven't seen it. But I found a no sugar added one, seen in the picture:


From its label, 7 of 45 grams of that syrup are carbs, so about 15% of its weight. That is well above my 6% rule, but I don't have the pancakes or waffles swim in it. Just enough for taste.

Read your labels on the syrup. You may be eating them with butter.

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That sounds (and looks) amazing. We just got a waffle maker a couple weeks ago and I haven't used it - didn't realize I could make nearly carb-less waffles (that protein powder I must get, tonight yet). My kids are starting to like Mom's new 'ways' :)
They have requested the baked version of fish for this Friday. They'll be having baked tater wedges with it. I'm choosing salad, peas and carrots.
I like that 'choosing'. It makes it sound better and feel better. Thanks!
Sister-in-law just gave me a Yonana machine - makes frozen fruits into what looks/feels/tastes like ice cream. Mmmm (for 'in moderation).

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I should have taken a picture of dessert last night, and posted nutritional information. It was great. Greek yogurt with lemon flavour, a protein powder waffle cut in little pieces, and some black berries and raspberries. All tumbled together.

I don't know for sure, but I'd take a guess at 4 grams of carbs. A small part of my 30 per day limit. Next time I'll fill in those nutritional blanks.

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I'm adding this part after my initial post above.

So here is 100 grams of Greek yogurt flavoured with Mio, and 17 grams of my waffle recipe cut in pieces, 20 grams of raspberries, 28 grams of blackberries.

I only measured things out so that I would have an idea about the general macros (carbs, fat, protein) for such a mess:


Calories (170)
Carbs (6g)
Fat (10g)
Protein (12g)


What do you know 6 grams of carbs, not 4. But I had a good guess.


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CANDUSU,

I have a number of ideas. I will run out, but for the moment here is another idea. Your daughter liking fish that wasn't breaded brought this idea back...

When making a meal don't make "mixed" dishes. Keep the carbs separated from the other things. Don't mix carbs in with other things like the fish. Fish is wonderful, zero carbs, lots of protein, and you could put lemon butter on top (fat is OK too). But when you bread it, now it is "mixed" dish. You can't eat the protein (or perhaps fat) without also eating carbs. So if someone in the family doesn't want to eat low carb, then supply that one extra dish, like mashed potatoes, which you can easily avoid, but eat the rest, for example fish, broccoli, and a side salad with plenty of low carb dressing, like regular ranch dressing.

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Good Morning Artsky & James,
I hope all went went with your husband's surgery.
Thank you for the choose vs can't !
It helps when talking about this with my tween and teen. Both are curious and one prefers my platefuls over hers - I'm guessing that eating this way could be a good thing for all of us, but she definitely prefers my flavourful baked fish to her breaded crispy one.

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The I choose is so true. Just have to keep remembering.
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CANDUSU,

Just a brief note on mindset. You may have seen in my last post that I said, "I choose not to eat ..." It is a subtle difference from the wording "I can't eat ..."

Friends may say, "oh, can't you eat rice", and your answer is "I choose not to eat rice because it raises my blood sugar too much"

"I choose" means you are in control. "I can't" means you are helpless and at the mercy of something else.

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My blood sugar was up in a range where I don't like it. I didn't know why, but I alwaysI try to figure out what is up.

Sure enough it could be tied back to a lentil based stew that I had been eating for a few days for supper. The bulk store does have low carb lentils, like 3% carbs rather than 12%. Next time I go. Mashed potatoes are about 15% and I choose not to eat those, even as a side dish.

By the way ARTSKY, I used to work for IBM and at one point as and IBM employee my job was as a consultant and trainer. I spent a few months in Houston, in Harris county. I saw lots of overweight people there, it was very noticeable to me as I got off the plane. Some of my hosts were overweight, I don't know if they were diabetic, but a good chance of that. When they suggested a restaraunt to me it wasn't for the quality of the food, no, it was for the quantity, an all you could eat rib place.

It ISN'T about getting the most calories for your dollar.

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ARTSKY,

Like when I fly, I take the parts of the airplane meal that are low carb, don't eat the other parts, but then supplement with something I brought with. So it doesn't have yo be all or none.

Take some cheese sticks with, maybe something else that packs well in a purse or backpack.

Also, best wishes on your husbands recovery.

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Good morning. boy are we far apart. You two are in Canada and I'm almost in MX. I'm in deep south TX.
Lots of Diabetics down here and they do not take very serious. I'm trying to. I'm not getting my morning BS down where I want it. It's still in mid 120's to mid 130's. I've got to keep working on that. This week will be hard. Hubby is having surgery tomorrow and I wont have my food to fall on. One thing this hospital has a SubWay shop. So I can get Salads and good chicken soup.
I wish both of you a good day and keep thinking thin
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CANDUSU,

Hmm 3 to 4 carb units per meal. Hmmm, let me think in grams, being Canadian you should feel familiar with that too.

A half a glass of milk is one unit. The Canadian milk in my Canadian fridge has a label that says one cup (250 ml) has 12 grams of carbs. So half a cup has about 6 grams of carbs.

So 3 to four carb units is about 18 to 24 grams of carbs.

At the low end about 60 grams a day, and at the high end about 75. Let me say that this is the very upper end of what I consider low carb. But my opinion is not the point, your health is the point. At that carb range you will see amazing things happen for the good. Your blood sugar will get much better. Your pins and needles feeling will slowly improve. You will loose body fat, even if you aren't trying to.

You don't have to exercise body fat away. The insulin reaction to carbs that you eat keeps it locked up. Insulin is a fat storage hormone. Less carbs, less insulin to store the carbs, less lockup of existing body fat. In other words you dip into your existing body fat with less hunger.

You know the old chineese food thing, ...I don't understand, I just ate all that chineese food an hour ago, how can I be hungry? Well rice is high carb, the insulin packs it away, and ta da, you are soon hungry.

I don't understand why you would stay away from cheese? High calorie? Yes, but low carb, and dietary fat has no, I mean no impact on blood sugar. Perfect for diabetics, and for loosing weight too as it doesn't wake the "hunger dragon".

p.s. I'm in line with whatever book you have, but I'll add the word "reasonable" into the sentance. As few carbs as reasonably possible. That number for me is 30 to 50 grams a day.

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Good Morning Artsky,
So nice to hear from people going thru same thing. I'm hearing mixed messages too. The book I bought says as few carbs as possible (they suggest a tight fistful per meal at most) but the dietician at the education centre says 3-4 carbs per meal. They also tell me that my 1/2 glass of milk is a carb. And so is my cup of blueberries.
I like how James calculates it by mass and percentage carb. It's a bit complicated (the figuring, I'm no math wiz) but it makes so much sense and has really helped me already. Cheese! Yes. I love cheese but had cut it back to almost none. Last night I had a cube of cheddar for a bedtime snack and savoured it (thank you James).
If you have Victoria Day where you are then happy holiday Monday! ~Sue :)

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Welcome Candusu.
I too am new at this. and trying to find my way.
James has some good ideas. I like to lesin to all people nad than do whats best for me.
I 'm seeing a dieticion and she mad because I don't eat enough carbs. Go figure.
Good luck with your new travials. I think your doing good by reading on the PC.
Take care I care and think thin.
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CANDUSU,
Well, glumetza is metformin in with a packaging that is basically slowly dissolving. This way the metformin is slowly released over about 8 hours.

The intention is to generally lower blood sugar, not to handle any spikes.

Metformin makes your existing insulin more effective. Insulin takes excess carbohydrates out of the blood stream and gets them into cells. In the blood stream, this excess blood sugar is a problem. You can look up possible issues with high blood sugar, but it includes:
- slow wound healing
- tingling or numbness (nerve issues)
- being thirsty

and many others. So basically your cells have become insensitive to listening to insulin. This typically happens when one eats too many carbs for a long time. Like someone complaining all the time, after a while you go yah yah, heard it before, and you tune them out.

Metformin makes the insulin more effective. Sort of like making that constant whiner be able to complain louder, so you have a harder time tuning them out.

But those carbs are then stored in cells, and more often than not into fat cells.

What I do is to reduce, I mean seriously reduce the carbs that I eat. Then there is less need for insulin in the first place. I had a snack this evening. It was cheese. If you've read my other posts you will see that I look at how much a food will impact my blood sugar largely by how much carbohydrate I get when eating it. So I look at its damage potential as the percentage of its weight that is carbohydrates. The higher the percentage of carbs the closer it is to pure sugar, which is 100% carbohydrates. So here is what I would eat as an evening snack:
- cheese (0% to 1% carbs)
- olives (1.5%)

Here is what not to snack on:
- pretzels (76%)
- potato chips (45%)
- Cheetos (54%)

Look at it this way. Would you eat a bowl of sugar with a spoon as a snack? What about 3/4 of a bowl, or half a bowl? The snacks above are really about like that for you. Pretzels, at 76% carbs are really like being 76% sugar as far as impact on blood sugar goes.

So, breakfast ... What do I eat? Eggs, bacon, maybe some cheese in my omelette. Bacon and eggs look like this:
- eggs (1.1%)
- bacon (1.5%)

A far far cry from shreddies:
- shreddies (71%)

I'm here to help. I hope you are coming back.

James


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Yes, rural Ontario.
The pills are called Glumetza but on closer look at label (thanks to u) yes, metaforin. Hard to swallow 4 at supper table. But it could be worse and by the sounds of it this can be do-able maybe without meds one day if I lose enough weight, eat properly and get moving.
Food is tasting differently and I am writing it all down so also thinking about it (mindful eating, mindful planning for it). I've only known for 2 weeks. It explains a lot. Especially the fatigue and the peeing every hour and the tingly/prickly fingers and toes. I think the blurry vision is just part of being fifty and ready for bifocal upgrade :)
Anyway it's nice to have someone in-the-know who's willing to share and tell about this new thing for me. Thanks muchly. ~Sue

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Hi CANDUSU (Sue),

OHIP eh? Ontario Health Insurance Plan.

Yup, I'm Canadian, and I used to live in Toronto until 2001. Are those horse pills time release metformin ones? I'm here to help. I check this team everyday, somedays more often than that.

I think you'll find that the general diabetes information says to avoid sugar and high carbohydrate things. They just don't cut it low enough in my mind. Why not? Is it unhealthy? I don't think that is it, as I've pointed out from a previous wikipedia page on carbs, people don't need carbs for nutrition. I think you need to eat some, but as a side effect of getting other things your need.

I think the diabetes association is afraid that nobody will follow their advice if they tell you what really needs to be done, and eating a little better is preferable to no change at all.


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Thank you for the welcome. I've only just begun on this new adventure. It's abit scary when I spend too much time googling for info, so found a good Diabetes for Dummies type book and have attended first of two 'diabetes education' course at our local wellness centre (provided by OHIP). Wow! What a learning curve - information overload!
It sounds like cutting carbs way way back will be my key - this meat and potatoes farm girl needs to learn to change her tune, fast!
Thanks again for the welcome. It's great to read thru your dialogue here and see that this is do-able (and maybe some day without these massive horse pills every night). ~Sue :)

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Welcome MELISSYL, CANDUSU, FUZZY_BUNNY, NATIVEPIXIE, FIDDLER4JESUS, MANDALYNN476.

Its not great to be diagnosed as diabetic. But there are people who would trade their health issues for this one. I don't know if that cheers anyone up. As a type-2 diabetic its not so bad, really its not.

I eat healthier now that 15 years ago. I enjoy, I mean really enjoy what I eat more. It used to be pretty bland stuff:
- rice
- french fries
- mashed potatoes
- pasta

Today it is more focused on meat and fresh vegetables. So:
- beef steak
- shrimp in garlic butter
- bell peppers
- zucchini

I have no idea what causes type-2 diabetes, but my guess is that it is the extra strain of the body trying to deal with all the sugar and carbs. At some point it literally becomes exhausted at doing so. In junior high I used to eat a chocolate bar and have a can of coke (or similar) virtually every morning recess break, and afternoon too.

I don't think you are attracted to things that are bad for you, I think you are attracted to things, and in the long run that excess is bad for you. One can like exercising, and overexercise too. Anything in excess can be bad for you.

So take nutrition into your own hands. Make healthier choices. I'm here to talk to. I check this group everyday, or almost everyday.


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ARTSKY,

you have to know by now, that I'm a dyed in the wool, low carb guy. You could shave that blue dyed wool off me, and my skin underneath would have absorbed some of the blue too.

So for myself, I can't imagine eating mashed potatoes or bread. I would eat a little squash, for a taste. My type-2 diabetes needs no medication when I eat this way, and my ulcerative colitis also needs none. I was on medication for both of those for many years. So I just can't imagine eating mashed potatoes.

For me the thought of good carbs, or bad carbs is like "good criminal" or "bad criminal". The good criminal is someone who is in jail for burglary, not murder, not as bad, but .... So I do walk that line, I do eat some carbs, but generally only so I can get to eat other things, or as a very small treat. I've got some dark chocolate coated, roasted, crunchy, coffee beans. But I'll eat like 4 of those in an evening.

I do eat plenty of stuff. Supper last night was baked ham, broccoli with cheese, and a small side salad. Dessert was Greek yogurt with lemon flavour (from Mio), and a spoonful of peanut butter on top.

Breakfast this morning is waffles, made using protein powder for flour. They are left over from yesterday, so I'll eat one or two cold, with butter filling every square.

Have a great day,
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James I eat very little sugar but I'm trying to eat good carbs( Squash, green peas, multi grain bread, Last night I had mashed patatos. that was a treat. but we can't eat Krut and hocks without mashed potatos. I cook one patato and we split it.
I was on the Atlins diet for a while and lost about 25 lbs and dropped my colostroal down 26 pts. but gained it all back.
I'm hopping that I can lose slow and maybe keep it off. We'll see.

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I don't know where people get the idea that you need to eat carbs to be healthy. The purest form of carbohydrate is sugar. So if you really think carbs are good for you, then that should be the best. But look at the nutritional information of sugar:
nutritiondata.self.com/facts/sweets/
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There are 42 zero's on that page, really zero nutrients. If you eat a green pepper:
nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetab
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There are 10 zero's, but really if a green pepper has no caffeine, or alcohol, well...

Anyway pay attention to your own body. If you want to loose weight, and do do by eating fewer carbs, and your blood sugar is better too... Well, duh, you have your answer.

I think I've pointed out the page on Wikipedia where it says that humans don't need to eat carbohydrates, right?

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Yes James some people can have z geat time in their mid 90's. WE have a gentlemen here that dances 3 times a week and he is 96. in mymid 70's and no way could I dance one night.

You know I've had more than one dieticion tell me to eat potato's with my meals. The one I've seen now wasw not happy that I eat so little Carbs. She wants me to have some carbs with each meal. I don't always do that. I have loss 8 ibs. in 4 weeks so something is working. But
I'm not happy with my BS it's back up to the 125's. I want it closer to 100's.
Have a great day I'm off to the pool for my class and than off to the Art Gallery to work today.
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It was tough picking at IHOP. Pancakes, waffles, eggs with toast, everything with some sort of carb.

So I settled on the Mexican omelette. Eggs, salsa, sour cream, shredded cheese, all pretty good, but I had to take hash browns with it, which was the highest carb thing. I only ate half of thd fairly small side of hash browns. Now potatoes of various preparations are about 20 to 25% carbs, do really well beyond my 6% cutoff, so I tried to limit them.

All in all, pretty good.

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I'm off to a pancake house with my 95 year old friend Arnold (I'm in my 50's). I'll be driving.

We are both type-2 diabetics. So this seems like a crazy choice. But you can't argue with someone who is 95 and tell them this is bad for them. He takes his medication and enjoy's a waffle. I on the other hand will take no medication and have some eggs and sausages (low carb).

I want to live to be 95 and in as good a shape as Arnold is in.

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I'm just trying to fallow the diet the dietion gave me. I'll bet a lot of that was water weight. I hope not but we'll see next week.
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Down 3 pounds in a week. Wow! What are you eating, or maybe not eating?

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I'm here. Good day!



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Good morning . Well I was bad yesterday. With Breakfast at Cracker Barrel and a premade pasta dinner for supper. I didn't teast too bad but the after teaste and the heartburn after not good. I did loose 3 lbs this week now to keep it off. With all the carbs this week end my BS was a little higher. We' work to get it down today.
Have a great day think thin.
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Good Sun. morning

Yes today we ate at Cracker Barrel and I did not eat the greats or hashbrowns. I had 2 eggs,
3 bacons and biskets and 1 T gravy. Not good but not too bad. We don't eat ow until 5 PM.
Well maybe a fruit later.
I hope you think thin today take care I care.
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ARTSKY,

I was brought up to not waste food. My grandma used to dish out the food and having eaten the mashed potatoes would ask us if we wanted more. If we said no thank you, her reply was "didn't you like them, do you want me to throw these out?"

So guilt and no wasting. I recently ate at a breakfast place, two poached eggs, eggs Benedict, on English muffins, hash browns, bacon, and three small-ish sausages.

I did not eat the muffins, I ate only half of the hash browns. It still bugs me to waste food, but I had to, for my health.

Here is the percentage of weight that is carbs, and you will see my reasoning:
- egg (1.1%)
- Hollandaise sauce (1.3%)
- bacon (1.5%)
- breakfast sausages (2.7%)
- hash browns (25%)
- English muffin (35%)



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Good morning all.
I had a big carb supper. We have stuff to eat up and get ut of the house so a little at a time.
My BS is staying around110.
I'm off to the pool to lead the cass for a hour. Have a great day.
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Good morning.

My day is going to be house renovations. I'd say home renovations, but it is in not in a house that I live in, but I'm working on.

My low carb day starts with an egg omelette with cheese. Later in the morning some fake bread made from protein powder, vanilla flavour, so more like a cake really, and some peanut butter on top. Lunch will be a low carb chilli heated in a microwave, and with shredded cheddar cheese added in at just the right time so that it gets soft, but doesn't fully melt away. Supper will be a big salad with romaine lettuce and plenty of vegetables, like zucchini, mushrooms ... and absolutely slathered in Ranch dressing.

Oh, this low carb life, .... tasty.

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Good morning how and where is everybody??
I hope you all have a good day.
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Good morning all. I hope you are having a good day.
My weight loss was great the first 2 weeks than this week only .25. That makes me sad but it is 3 weeks in the black so that is good. I think I'm drinking too much H2O. I've been drinking around 70 to 80 oz a day. Thats just H2o not counting cooffe or my one Coke per day.
last night BS was good 89 this morning 117. It's better than before I started with the Med.
Well Have a great day and keep thinking thin.
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100 grams of cake:
Calories (360)
Carbs (5.8 g)
Fat (27 g)
Protein (22 g)

Picture of part of a cake/loaf in the background, in the foreground a piece of cake cut in cubes with Greek yogurt floavoured with cherry Mio:


In that dessert bowl, 1 gram of carbs in the cake, and 4 more in the Greek yogurt topping.

The recipe is here, if you are willing to buy a tub of flavoured protein powder, and do some baking of course:
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Good morning all.
I'll try again. Has message almost done and away it went!

James how was your cake? Sounded good.

I made a quasaida for dinner last night(shrimp) It was good. I'll have to try Chicken next time.
Well I only lost .25 Lbs this week. I'll have to try harder this week.

Have great day I'm off to the pool for my class.
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I'm making lemon-vanilla cake right now, waiting for the timer to ring, and then eat some.

It is made with vanilla flavoured protein powder for flour, and just out of the blue I added a few squirts of lemon Mio flavouring. The whole cake has 6 grams of carbs.

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HAPPY MOTHERS DAY to all the ladies out there.

James yes I was eating less carbs than she wanted me to. I still can't eat as much as she has set up for me. 4 meals a day plus snacks just don't work. I'm getting my 64 oz of H2O in.
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In addition to meds, have you changed what you eat specifically to lower blood sugar, either in quantity, or in type? You said your dietician wants you to eat more carbs, but is eating lower carb something new?

As for carbs, let me quote from Wikipedia, on this page:
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Carbohydrates are a common source of energy in living organisms; however, no carbohydrate is an essential nutrient in humans.
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That word "essential" means something you must get from food, in other words carbohydrates themselves are not needed. Carbohydrates may come with things you need, like vitamins, but the carbs themselves are not needed. I get my energy, for the most part from fat and protein, and carbs leak in, so that I can eat healthy vegetables and get the vitamins, minerals and other stuff I really need. But high carb nutritionally empty things... nope.

I myself am trying to loose about 10 to 15 pounds and getting nowhere. I am watching every gram of carbs. This morning I was weighing how much cream I'm getting in my coffee on my digital scale. It was 15 grams of cream which has 1 gram of carbs, not 30 grams of cream which has 2 grams.

Right now I'm in OCD mode.
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Good morning all good to see some new ones on. I hope you will keep comming on with support and info.
James with the meds I'm holding around 100 to 130 with my BS. I'm not to d
sad about that but would like better. It sure beat 200 to 300 as before.
Have a great day and God Bless.
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It is the higher carbohydrate foods that impact blood sugar, and hunger the most.

My wife has the theory that your body knows what it needs, various nutrients which are the real building blocks needed for your body:
- protein
- essential fats
- minerals
- vitamins

Her theory is that your body keeps eating, hoping to find nutrition, and it isn't very smart. So her idea is that you eat a whole bag of potato chips because the body keeps seeking nutrition, hoping that maybe the next handful will have nutrition, nope, well maybe the next handful nope, well maybe ... aww the bag is empty.

If you look at sugar, it has calories, but scores zero on all of the above nutrients.

The theory that I follow is to aim for the most nutrition per calorie eaten. For example, green bell peppers have 4 times the vitamin C that oranges have, on a per calorie eaten basis, and about 3/4 of a green pepper meets your daily vitamin C needs all on its own. It's easy to eat that in a healthy salad.

Am I eating fewer calories than before I switched to low carb? Yes.

Am I hungry? Rarely, certainly a lot less than before. Five years of no blood sugar medication for me. That is worth it.

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I have a medical disability, it is cognitive impairment, poor memory actually. I suspect the cause was low vitamin B for too long (years and years). The reason for that is ulcerative colitis, which has poor nutrient absorption, along with taking metformin for years, which also has low vitamin B absorbtion so forgive me if this is a bit of a repeat ...

I rarely track. I look up the nutrition of foods, if they are 6% of thier weight is net carbs, or less of course, then I eat it.

I tracked yesterday for the first time in about a year. I was shocked, 140 grams of protein. I'm aiming for 60. Only 30 grams of carbs, and 20 of that was actually from a little dark chocolate with peanut butter on top. So that part was great.

I was surprised that cheese has about 25 to 30 percent of its weight as protein, about the same as meat. I ate a lot of cheese yesterday. So even after 4 years of low carb I am still learning things.

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Good morning Hope you all have a good day.
James yes I keep a jurnal but I don't count cals or what ever I've done that for years. don't work that well and makes me crazy. So just writing down what I eat is working for now. I also have a step monator. I know I don't do as much as I should but I do the best I can most of the time.
I hope you have a thin day.
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Well you are a special case.
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That certainly isn't your usual cause of arthritis.

Good for you on keeping carbs low. In my mind there are no "heart healthy whole grains". That is just a slogan, and a very bad one too. Focus on nutrition. Getting what your body needs.

Let's start with protein. Do you track what you eat? Calories, grams of stuff?



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