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2/26/17 9:43 P

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Karen (HARRYSMOM),

We've exchanged some private notes on that 6% cutoff, and on what to eat to control blood sugar.

Even if I've had a setback that doesn't mean that cutting carbs isn't going to be good for controlling blood sugar.

By the way, my background is actually in physics and mathematics. I have a Ph.D. in physics, and that is why I approach nutrition very scientifically and numerically. It is just the pattern of thought you get after that kind of background and way of thinking.

I'm here to chat, or via spark mail to chat. I check this group daily.

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James, so sorry for your setback and needing to go back on a medication.

If I can dream it I can do it.


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James, I'm so sorry that I didn't see your post until today. Thanks so much for your information. You ask what my plan for lowering my blood sugar and I have to say I'm not sure. I haven't seen a nurse yet to be educated on how to test my blood sugar. I have an appointment next week. I am on a medication and have to say I'm feeling a bit more even keeled. I'm just learning all my symptoms I've been experiencing that appear to be related to my diabetes. My anxiety and feeling so hot and sweating, are the big ones. Frankly it scares me a great deal. I think I will try and move my appointment with the nurse up.

If I can dream it I can do it.


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AUTUMNLUV1, HARRYSMOM,

welcome. I know you never want to be welcomed to a group like this one ...

So what to do? Type-2 diabetes is a collection of things that interact. Carbohydrates, insulin and body fat.

Basically if you eat a lot of carbs your blood sugar will go up. Insulin with try to lower your blood sugar by "helping" the blood sugar into cells, both lean muscle cells, and fat cells. Most typically for type-2 diabetics, at some point the at cells are so full that they don't want more and blood sugar goes out of control because the cells don't want to store it away.

So what to do? Either take medication to make existing insulin more effective, or take insulin injections. Lastly cut eating carbohydrates. This still leaves fat and protein, and most healthy vegetables (not potatoes or rice or wheat) are pretty low in carbs and have healthy stuff.

My personal dietary guideline is to only eat things that have 6% of their weight as carbs, or less.

What is your plan to get your blood sugar under control?

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Jan,
I think those symptoms occur at higher blood sugar levels. Mine is just at the edge of medication being a good idea.

Just high enough that I don't want to ignore it. I did start taking some B12 supplements today. I've had low B12 in the past, and B12 is connected with blood sugar control.

I'm hoping that it is B12 supplements that will get me back on track, but I'm ready with the Metromin. Today I measured my blood sugar like crazy before starting any Metformin, I wanted a baseline to see what the Metormind does.

Now knowing that Metformin has a half life of 6 hours and is virtually gone then in a day, I may take some days with a Metformin break and see how my blood sugar compares on those days.


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2/17/17 8:11 P

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James, can you explain to me how your BS could be that high with you eating practically no carbs and your weight being reasonable? Did the doctor explain???

And yet you have no diabetic symptoms? No neuropathy? No tingling in hands and feet? No feeling bad?

This is so strange to me!

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Yes, my A1c is checked twice a year also.

Unfortunately this time it took a jump up. It was 7.1 last time, and is 8.4 this time. My doctor was just on the edge at 7.1 and now wants me to take medication again.

I ate very healthy yesterday, and had a great dinner (shrimp, chicken and salad). My blood sugar was 8.4 at bed time and 9.3 this morning. *SIGH* ... I'm going to get my metformin prescription filled.

It looks like my low carb, medication free ride is over. But my metformin dosage is way down from what it was 6 years ago. So low carb has bought me that.

If, and this is a big if, my blood sugar A1c is down below 7.0 at next test, he'll take me off the medication. But I have a hard time seeing how that can happen. I'm not overweight, I'm eating about 30 grams of carbs a day ...

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P.S. By breakfast time my blood sugar was up to 10.0 even though I had nothing yet but plain peppermint tea, so still fasting. It was 11.0 and 10.9 an hour and two hours after breakfast (to know what those numbers are on the other blood sugar scale multiply by 18). Breakfast had 6 grams of carbs, 5 from the yogurt.

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James how often do you check your A1c?

Mine is only checked twice a year.

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My A1c results will be revealed to me at my doctors appointment tomorrow. You may know that this test is a sort of blood sugar average, an average of about the previous 3 months.

About 6 years ago I started a diet to loose weight. The accidental side effect was that my blood sugar was in the high end of normal. I have some memory problems, and I happened to forget my metformin (and sitagliptin) for about 2 days and was very surprised that my blood sugar was slightly better than with the meds.

I double checked my blood sugar . I checked on the lifetime of metformin, that is how long its effect lasts in the body. Metformin's effects are cut in half every 6 hours.
https://www.diabetesselfmanagement.c
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So after 24 hours 94% of the drug is removed from the body. So even after one day it is like you never had taken it. That is why you need to take metformin frequently.

Long story short, that was 6 years ago. I still get my A1c tested regularly by my doctor, and I occasionally measure my blood sugar at home.

Eating very low carb works or me.

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Thank you for your help James.

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James that is what I'm afraid of

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What happens when you go on blood pressure medication when you don't have high blood pressure? Do you get low blood pressure?

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My doctor wants to put me on blood pressure medicine. To protect my kidneys. It has nothing to do with my BP, which is more often than not perfectly normal.

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I've been feeling better the last few days after getting back on the bandwagon.

Very low carb really helps.

I've gained weight during the holidays....lots of cake, divinity, fudge, etc. The fat crowding my pancreas really has an impact on blood sugar. Got to get the extra weight back off.

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Too late now, but you could have taken your meter with you to the doctor's office and immediately after their test done one of your own.

I did that once and found different results, and my meter was higher, which had caused me stress for many weeks. In the end, after knowing that my new meter was showing numbers that were higher, I made a mental subtraction and realized that my blood sugar was the same as it had been for a long time.

I should have tested my old meter and new meter at the same time when I switched over, but I didn't. *sigh*

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FBS this morning on my meter was 111. An hour later at doctor was 128.

Can't trust my meter?!

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CRYERMAMA,
welcome.

If you go to the COMMUNITY tab at the top, and under that selection pick "SparkTeams" you will see an icon for each team you have joined, like this one. As I've directed you to this post you will see various conversations or topics. Once you have clicked on a topic it is obvious on how to add your remarks to post in reply.


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Sounds good James!

I'm not supposed to have these things on WHOLE30, but I am obviously being weak.

Are you and I the only active members on SP now? LOL.

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Jan,
by my percentage of weight that is carbs:
Coke (10%)
Popcorn (60%)

The Coke is like water, but add enough sugar to it to get 10% of its weight as sugar.

A diet Coke with popcorn would have been better, but the popcorn alone ...

What about a diet coke with bacon rind puffs ? I take my bacon rind puffs, spread them out on a foil lined cookie sheet, sprinkle shredded cheese on top and bake for a few minutes, watching carefully until the cheese melts. So those numbers are:

Diet Coke (0%)
Bacon rind puffs (0%)
Cheese (1%)

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Boy what a difference a slip up makes!

popcorn and coke at bedtime - FBS 100

previous mornings 95-100

coke is so bad!

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James I hope to find out soon. Weird symptoms.

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Jan (JRWELL58),

I hate to say it, but maybe M.S. fits your symptoms, not high blood sugar. Even your vision problems. All the more reason to eat "clean". If your body is under stress from an auto-immune issue, you don't want to add more to the stress.

*SHEESH*

It's not like I have a perfect body, or mind.

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I'm really going to buckle down on the whole food concept, since I'm having these painful episodes that they think may be MS.

These episodes are scary. 24 hours of burning pain on left side, from foot up to top of head, coupled with terrible squeezing sensations.

I've been told not to eat anything processed, no additives, no artificial ingredients.

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Very pleased. Ate healthy, fairly low carb yesterday. Reward was lower BS this morning of 102.

It works folks!

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Subject: blood carbs

Jan,

Yes, it is unfortunate that the words "blood sugar" have the word sugar in them. All digestible carbohydrates, so except for fibre, impact blood "sugar".

Should be called "blood carbs".

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Clearly low carb is my only alternative.

Couple days ago I had 150 carbs (one meal that day) and BS spiked to 234!

Today is near normal, thanks to a low carb day. 70 total spread over the day.

Yeah! Sparking Low Carb!

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I was dx as early diabetic or pre diabetic 8 years ago.

My a1c was 5.4, but I failed the three hour glucose test, just barely.

I have lost and gained and lost and gained the weight. Each time I'd lose 30 pounds, my BS would be perfectly normal. Gain it back (bad eating), and watch out for the spikes.

My last a1c in April was 6.3, we'll see again on January 30. I missed my six month test.

What's horrible is I've just this year developed some neuropathy. Seems some people are more sensitive than others. Even though my a1c has not been bad.

Please, take my advice (do as I say, not as I do): lose ten percent of body weight, try to eat healthy, stay away from cakes, cookies, donuts, syrup, candy, etc.

I recently read a medical article that says even prediabetics can get neuropathy.

I wish I had listened.

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I'm still here.

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MAMA04930,

looks like you are posting for your hubby. Welcome!

First of all I presume he has been diagnosed as a type-2 diabetic, producing insulin, but the body is not listening to the insulin, hence oral medication to amplify the signal of the insulin.

Insulin gets blood sugar out of the blood, and into cells, both lean cells (organs and muscle) and also fat cells. So if by chance one also wants to loose body fat, those medications make it harder to do that.

My personal path is to eat fewer carbohydrates in the first place. That way my blood sugar doesn't go too high, and I don't need the medication.

Has your doctor suggested dietary changes, or to see a dietician?

I'm here every day to chat.

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HILARY82B,

here is my opinion of exercise. For direct weight loss, i.e. calories burned while exercising in order to loose extra body fat, it does virtually nothing. Lets take a brisk walk as an example:
www.verywell.com/walking-calories-bu
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Something like 250 calories per hour. To loose a pound of body fat, which has 3500 calories in it, that is then about 14 hours of walking. So if you walk an hour each day, after 2 weeks you will loose one pound of body fat.

That said, I exercise almost daily, and I'm off to my morning swim after I post this. Why? It makes me fitter, more flexible, healthier, and for weight loss it builds a little extra muscle, and that muscle when dormant is expensive to maintain (burns calories). So my opinion is that your body burns more calories if you are fitter and have more toned muscles. It isn't the calories burned during exercise, it is those burned between exercise sessions.

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HILARY82B,

well carbohydrates are ADDICTIVE! It isn't just you. It is a blood sugar thing. Often it is eat more carbs or crash. I used to get pounding headaches if I didn't get my carbs. So here are the highest things, with the most fraction (percentage) of their weight as carbs:

- sugar (100%)
- bread (50%)
- cooked pasta (30%)
- cooked rice (28%)
- banana (20%)

So, a slice of bread is like eating half that weight in pure sugar. For my blood sugar I'm not about to eat pure sugar, or even something that is effectively half pure sugar. Even pasta at 30%, is like eating 1/3 of that as pure sugar. A banana, well like eating 1/5 of that as pure sugar.

That is how I think and avoid those things.

Then on the vegetable list:
- corn (23%)
- cooked potatoes (18%)
- peas (10%)
- carrots (5%)
- zucchini (2%)

Soooo.... my personal cutoff is 6%. I do have a few small treats above 6%, but in small quantity. I just ate some white turkey breast with mustard:
- white turkey meat (0%)
- mustard (2%)

I'm just about to eat two squares of dark chocolate, the 85% cocoa stuff:
- dark chocolate (22%)

Oh yes, way above 6%, but it is my treat, and the two squares of chocolate have a total of 4 grams of carbs. My daily target is 30 grams (50 at the very most) and 4 is not much.

I use the percentage scale to give me a feel for whether I should eat it or not. At 6%, or less, I just eat it and don't think or weigh. Above 6%, then the quantities are small, and I really start to do some math, like with my chocolate.


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HILARY82B,

My favourite nutritional database is "nutritiondata". If you google "nutritiondata banana" you quickly find this page:

nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-
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Then set the serving size to 100 g, and read off the carbs at 22.8 g, so 22.8% is carbs. A fair bit less than pure sugar, but still too high for me. I find that site the best way to figure out which foods are low in carbs, either generic, or brand name.

Lets keep chatting. I'm here daily.

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Welcome KFHUFSTETLER,

As a new diabetic you may not know what to eat in order to get better blood sugar. I sure didn't 17 years ago.

For myself I found that there were no "good carbs" or "bad carbs" they were all bad carbs and best just plain avoided. Yes, sad but true. So if you are changing your diet, start by seriously reducing your consumption of things that have a lot of carbs, which are:
- sugar (of course)
- bread, cake, cookies
- pasta
- rice

I'm always here to chat. Everyday. It is rare that I miss a day.
- James

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KATHARINE01948,

What do I eat for energy? I eat fat and protein.

Fat has 9 calories per gram, and protein has 4. Plenty of energy in that. If I'm feeling weak I typically eat some cheese and feel more energetic in about 15 minutes.The piece of apple pie was a mistake.

I have found that one only needs carbs as a pick me up if one typically eats carbs, but if you don't then then fatty calorie sources work just as quickly. I suppose a protein powder drink might work quickly too, but I've never tried that. I typically bake my protein powder into other more carb-like stuff, cake, pancakes ... but without the carbs.


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James thats awful
what do you have or do for energy ???

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ZOEWMU,

I'm in the unfortunate situation that my natural carb tolerance is so low that any extra overload, like that slice of apple pie, and it was a smallish one, immediately gives me physical symptoms.

In my case sticky saliva, which is a constant reminder that blood sugar is bad. It's not a blood test and a number, but a constant unpleasant sensation. Then secondly, after a while of that my throat got sore because the saliva now allowed stuff to live in my throat that normally wouldn't.

I'm back on track again. Knowing that carbs are the problem I've tried to flush the excess out a little faster. So breakfast was a protein powder waffle (less than a gram of carbs in that) with butter (0 carbs) and no peanut butter on that. My coffee had about 2 tablespoons of whipping cream (1 gram of carbs in that).

So 2 grams of carbs with breakfast. I'm feeling OK again. Sheesh.

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I wish I could say I was eating low carb. I start out every day with good intentions. And then the cravings kick in. The last time this happened, the doctor's treated me as if I was having a moral failing. Once I started metformin, and my blood sugar settled back down, the cravings went away and I could follow the plan. My plan was to take metformin for a year, lose weight, and get to the point where my blood sugar is manageable with diet.

I've been reading about L-glutamine as a supplement that helps with cravings. I think I'm going to try it. I'm in a catch 22. Until my blood sugar comes back down, my head's not in the right place to do low carb. And until I do low carb, my blood sugar won't come back down. I'm hoping L-glutamine will help with that.

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JFIGUEROA64,

Welcome.

I'm curious about your "eating right" goal. What have you changed?

Except for my recent bit of apple pie, I'm generally very low carb, and rate foods by how many carbs I get eating them (lower is better).

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ZOEWMU,

I agree, when hunger ramps up it generally means blood sugar is out of whack. But did you test your blood sugar?

I wish I had a suggestion for you. For myself, if I eat more carbs than usual, then I get more hungry later, a vicious cycle. But if you are already pretty low carb, and feeling hungry ... Hmmm. More cheese?

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I'm starting to have the same symptoms I had when I was first diagnosed with diabetes--hungry all the time, going the the bathroom frequently, and strong cravings. I'm still taking medication, but it is hard to stay ketogenic when the cravings are this bad. That means I'm not eating as well, which means my blood sugars are higher, even with medication, and the cycle just keeps going. Although, I noticed that, when I do eat ketogenic, I eat more than usual as well, which I think makes my blood sugars higher as well. Or they are staying high and not tapering off from one meal to the next. Something isn't right.

I may need to find something that helps with cravings. I know that Atkins used to say that there were supplements that you could take that help with that.

Any ideas?

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Better today. I calculated my carb load for the other day, about 80 grams with the slice of apple pie. Duh, 40 grams in the pie alone. Stupid me!

Feeling much more normal today. Throat is fine too.

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Awe James . better days ahead
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It is very strange that I've been getting a slight sore throat on and off for the last weeks.

I finally made the connection last week. When my blood sugar is up, my saliva feels sticky, and that provides an environment for something to happen in my throat.

I have that problem again this morning. I had two glasses of red wine last night. I suspect the sugar in that wine, when put on top of other stuff is too much for me to handle.

Sure enough blood sugar this morning was 8.8 ( 158 on the other scale). Way too high. My body is pretty burned out in terms of its carb handling abilities. No wine today, no dark chocolate, no peanut butter.

Sigh.

Moral of the story ... listen to your body, all the various things, and take charge.

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good afternoon

James I seen where you ??? mid week camping . Roy works part time . So we leave on a Thursday and come back on Sundays . sometimes we get lucky and can stay longer . we go once a month . its great to get out of this heat.

Jan if you know your eating badly , why do you do a test ??? Zoe I think once you do the research . you will like GI Load . its more accurate than GI In dex. .

here is a must have web site http://nutritiondata.self.com/topics/glyce
mic-index

it has GI Load . you can put the item of food in the search bar . you will get full results of nutrient . and GI LOad . it will explain the difference . and this is great for carb counters .



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Excellent idea Zoe.

I eat bad things then forget to do the two hour test! I'm a knuckle head.

However, I can tell you exactly what gives me a fit all night long, burning all over my body, and other baaaad sensations.

Sugar, ie, petit fours, my weakness.

Mexican tortilla chips....had some the other night and suffered greatly.


I'll try to do more testing myself.

Today has been a fasting day because I ate a hotdog last night, no bun, and it has given my interstistitis a fit today.

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I have decided that, if I'm going to eat off plan, I am going to take a 2 hour blood sugar and a fasting the next morning. I need to be honest about what my food choices are doing to my body and the way to do that is to test. I think I also need to test when I'm making healthy food choices. To confirm to myself that those choices have a positive impact. One of the things I noticed was, when I do keto regularly, I stop testing as regularly. Because of this, I don't get the reward of a low blood sugar. So then I start to think it doesn't matter.

One thing I'm finding is that, drumroll please, it's sugar. I can eat higher carb without as much impact on my blood sugar if I'm not eating sugar. So, popcorn doesn't impact my blood sugar as much as cookies. One chocolate chip cookie has about 9 carbs. 2 cups of popcorn has about 10 net carbs. Now, I don't eat them in those quantities. But, the other thing is, sugar will trigger way more impulsive eating. Those cookies will morph into wanting to eat everything that's not nailed. Down. Popcorn doesn't do that. I eat it, and lots of it when I do, but it doesn't make me want to eat other stuff. It could be that the popcorn is also drenched in butter, so the fat fills me up. And sugar raises my blood sugar more than other carbs, even if I've eaten too many carbs to begin with.

Why does this matter? Because it means that, even if I'm eating off plan, what I choose to eat matters. The only two things I've really tested are popcorn and sugary stuff (cookies, ice cream, etc). I haven't tested bread, or potatoes, or corn, or tortilla chips (my other favorite). I think I might need to start thinking of my off plan days, because I'm going to have them, as another science experiment. I need to find out how individual foods affect me. Then I will be able to make better off plan choices. Kind of the lesser of the evils sort of thing. I've accepted that I'm not going to be perfect at this. But, I still need to make the best, most informed choices I can.

This brought me to thinking that maybe I should research glycemic index or glycemic load and that could help me figure out what foods are more likely to raise blood sugar. I'm going to have to do some more research on this. But honestly, I don't think it matters. I think tracking what off plan food I chose to eat, and testing my own blood sugar, will tell me more than any chart.

Sorry about the novel.

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I'm right there with you Zoe.

I hope we can both stay on track.

Honestly, looking at my situation as objectively as possible, what would benefit me greatly is if, when I have an off track day, I accept it as normal, and immediately get back on track the next day. With the goal of having few off track days.

I say this because I know I am not perfect.

Still, as much as the high BS is harming my body, you'd think I would never touch bread/cake/sweets again!

I think I was dx as early diabetic about 7 years ago. My a1c at the time was 5.4....I was good/bad off and on and my a1c gradually climbed to 5.8.....this year was the first year it reached over 6, in April it was 6.3.....

So that said, you might think I'd have no issues yet. But I do. Numbness in toes. Severe gastro issues for a couple years. Now, some feeling of paralysis on left side. Bad night sweats on face and neck. Some bladder issues. I think I have early autonomic neuropathy.

So why the heck would I eat a sausage biscuit? Or a piece of cake???

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well, I learned this morning how well I've actually been doing. Yesterday was an off day for me, eating wise. Lots of unhealthy choices.

Today my fasting blood sugar was 148. So, my healthy habits were paying off and keeping my blood sugars lower.

Back on track. I wish I could just stay there.

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James and Katherine, I had the same question regarding katherine's comment, but didn't want to say anything to confuse Katherine.

Total carb grams less fiber grams equals net carb grams.

Right?

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KATHARINE01948,

I'm confused. If you subtract the fibre count from the total carb count, the resulting number is net carbs, the digestible ones with calories.

What math were you doing?

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two hours post dinner is 115

I'll gladly take that

Hope morning is good.

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James I read your post on 9/14 about total carbs . I was doing net carbs for years wrong. I would take the fiber count and subtract it from the carb count . totally wrong .to use all the fiber

I had a 100 FBS reading this morning . I had a snickers fun size last night

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That's good Zoe.

I have eaten light today, hope it helps with mine in the morning.

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All I know is that, now, the high for my morning blood sugar is still significantly lower than it was. It was 105 this morning. Moving in the right direction.

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One possible explanation for Zoe's higher morning that two hours post dinner is this:

It is possible that her food is not digesting as quickly as normal.

I have that problem myself.

Also there's what is known as the "Dawn Effect."

MY FBS this morning was 115. I ate inappropriately at dinner. Sausage biscuit and strawberries with whip cream.

When I eat inappropriately at dinner, I have bad feelings through the night into morning. Night sweats. Burning sensation in my limbs.

Knock knock Jan, get a grip.

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My fasting numbers are first thing in the morning. My 2 hours are usually at 9 pm or so, 2 hours after I've eaten dinner.



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ZOEWMU,

interesting, your blood sugar two hours after a meal is lower than you fasting number.

By fasting, is that your first thing in the morning number? If so that makes some sense, the physical inactivity while sleeping is not burning off the carbs like daytime movement does, so blood sugar can slowly rise overnight, to a morning "high".

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Doing well. back on the keto train. My 2 hour blood sugars are running 100 or below. My fasting blood sugars are still in the 120's. I'm trying to be patient because I know that, over time, as I rest my beta cells, lose weight, and eat well, that my fasting blood sugars will get lessen. I just want them to be closer to 100.

Patience is not my strong point.

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Subject: Food label reading and interpretation

MARCIABELL3,

Fibre is technically, from a molecular structure viewpoint, a carbohydrate.

However few animals can digest it. Termites can, which is why they can eat wood, for humans though, we can't. For the above molecular reasons they are listed as a subcategory on nutrition labels, but subtract them out from total carbs to get the digestible, or net carb count.

Here is a label:


So 28 grams of this has 6 grams of carbs, so about 21% of its weight. But when you forget the 4 grams of fibre, 6-4 is 2 grams of net, or digestible carbs. One of those 2 is sugar, the other is something else. Labels don't always give a full breakdown of the total carbs.

But 2 of 28 is 7% of the weight as net carbs. As a diabetic you want to avoid carbs (net carbs) as much as you reasonably can. I don't even know what this food is, but whatever it is, since it just slightly above my personal cutoff of 6% I'd eat small quantities of it.


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Hi James, right now, I'm focusing on Dietary Fiber -3gr or more ... my dietitian says 45 gr of carbs for each of my 3 meals right now -- she says we are just going to go at it slowly so that the changes I make stay with me.

I'm collecting the labels of the foods I normally eat and for my new replacements. I figure that as I continue to alter my eating habits, I will need to make additional changes so having them will allow me to figure out serving sizes.

I created a spreadsheet to help me figure out portion control ... I'm nearly finished with Breakfast and I'm going to start working on Lunch and then Dinner. I like the Protein/Starchy Carbs/Complex Carbs/Fruit, Fat, Other breakdown and I don't think SparkPeople tracks my breakdown.



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MARCIABELLE3,

I've been controlling my blood sugar with food choices alone for over 5 years and at the high side of normal A1c tests during that time.

Before that it was 12 years of pills.

My goal is to eat as few carbs as I can, but still eat food, and some treats. Virtually every food has some carbs. Zero carbs would cut out all sorts of healthy stuff. So my numerical goal is 30 grams of net carbs a day, and maybe 50 on a very high day. I don't count much, but I simply eat low carb things.

So what is low carb? It is bit fuzzy. I have a Bachelor's degree in mathematics, so I like thinking along mathematical lines, even if the math is simple. By my definition a food is low carb (and so I'll eat it) if 6% of its weight, or less of course, is carbs. I don't count fibre in that.

Then it is super easy to read a nutrition label while shopping and either do the arithmetic in my head from the numbers on the nutrition label, or use a calculator.

What is your plan to get better blood sugar?

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Great Zoe!

I have been busy with bath remodel and not tracking.

On my way to get a big salad now.

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Today was a better day. I fasted from dinner last night until 8 pm tonight. Wanted to give my body a chance to relax and get back on track. low carb dinner tonight. I'm back on track.

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ZOEWMU,

Yes, tomorrow is a new day.

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well, today wasn't a good day. Argumentative special needs daughter was in fine form today....all directed at me. I can take a lot of stress, but today, away from home, at a party, trying to visit with my sister, I didn't manage as well as I would like. It was control my eating habits or control my temper. I did control my temper. My eating not so much. The sad thing is, when I eat lousy, I feel lousy and I know it. So, I paid the price and felt lousy the rest of the day.

Tomorrow is a new day. Back on track. Moving forward.

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the day before it was 88
last night was my test . I had 2 fun bags of M&M . so this morning BFS was 113

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Good luck! keep us posted on how it's working for you. Yay on the lower blood sugar.

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I'm going to try The Whole30 a while to get back to swing of things

FBS this morning was 99

Better!

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That's a bummer. I was watching with great interest.

For myself I know that, for the rest of my life, I will need to:
watch my carb intake and fast intermittently. Those two things keep my blood sugar down. I don't think I'll ever be able to go back to my old eating habits. Maybe once I lose weight I won't have to watch my carb intake as close or fast as often. Then again, maybe I will.

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Okay, it is official. the 7 weeks of Newcastle did not CURE my type 2....it merely kept it controlled, with normal BS.

Yesterdays test was coconut pie, fried porkchop, peas, Burker King burgers, coke, and icecream.

This mornings FBS was 133.

Does this mean I must do Newcastle the rest of my life to have great BS? it was running about 82 FBS when I stayed on plan on Newcastle.

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it was hormonal. the weight started coming off again. And my FBS this morning was 105!


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ZOEWMU,

My experience eating low carb, Keto specifically, is that my weight is very stable. If I want to loose weight I really have to eat less and be a little hungry for a few days, and after 3 or 4 days of that it is a pound down, and I'm stable again until I take another mini-run on weight loss.

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My FBS was 113 this morning. That's because I ate bad all day long yesterday. It was so bad I can't even remember it all. Stuff like strawberries soaked in sugar and covered in cream. Bbq ribs. Potatoe salad

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I'm eating ketogenic. I do find that fasting helps lower my blood sugars. I don't know if it's because the beta cells can rest, or if it's just that I don't eat as many carbs. During the week, I try to fast through lunch and eat a big dinner. On the weekends, I try to eat normally with the family. I haven't lost any weight over the past week. That could be due to hormonal fluctuations, an increase in food intake (I was camping all weekend), or a fluke. I'm really not sure. I'm still 19 pounds down from where I started, so I'm trying to relax with it and wait for it to start coming off again.

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very good numbers. You are doing well.

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back from camping. Not tracking daily, but eating ketogenic, and taking my blood sugars regularly. It's interesting. My 2 hour post meal blood sugars are regularly below 100. My fasting blood sugars run 110 to 120. I'm logging them to see if I can find a trend downwards over time.

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KATHARINE01948,

How much corn syrup is too much has individual answers. Regular table sugar (sucrose) is a mixture of glucose and fructose, 50% and 50%. In a liquid these two separate.

Glucose raises blood sugar and more easily fuels cells. Fructose does not raise blood sugar, but more easily is stored into body fat "for later". Fructose needs some extra enzymes to be used and is less preferred by the body compared to glucose.

Corn syrup is 3/4 carbohydrates, basically sugar in a liquid solution. High Fructose Corn syrup is one with a higher ratio of fructose to glucose, 55% fructose, 45% glucose. Basically you add more fructose to the solution.

All in all I don't see any difference between corn syrup and sugar, except it is dispensed in a liquid form.

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what a good job . I did basically the same . I did switching . and searching out fructose
and corn syrups . I had sugar free coffees . but had corn syrup
i wonder how much corn syrup is too much ???

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MIDORI_SPARK,

Well that sounds encouraging. It sounds like you were eating a lot of carbs and your body couldn't handle it (I'm presuming you've been diagnosed as being a type-2 diabetic).

There is however a whole range of abilities to handle carbs, and their impact on blood sugar. Sort of like say lifting weights Some folks can lift 100 pounds with no problems, others can manage 20. Diabetes is just an arbitrary number in a broad range of possibilities.

In your case it sounds like ability to handle carbs is still pretty good. So I encourage you to not burn yourself out any further. If you want to cut back on carbs, and you do as a diabetic, then there are a range of strategies. One strategy is to weigh your portions, calculate and count your carbs. If I did that, I know I'd be around 40 grams a day. I know for sure that at 90 my blood sugar is bad. North American adult daily average is 330.

Another strategy is not to eat "white" things. No sugar, no white bread, potatoes or rice.

Another strategy is not to buy or eat things with sugar as an ingredient. So many names for sugar too, sugar, glucose, fructose, ....

My strategy differs, I read labels, or research foods with no labels. Tomatoes for example have no nutrition label. My strategy is to only eat things whose weight is 6% carbs or less. I stick pretty close to that.

Whatever your plan is, you need a plan. Your blood sugar was in a bad range, or you wouldn't be here. My experience is that type-2 diabetes is an insulin burn out issue, which slowly gets worse. So making changes to slow or stop that progression is extremely important. No changes and you find yourself in a spot with yet less toleration of carbs.

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Ah, and yes you're right, I'm enjoying it more and more. I genuinely enjoy the things I'm eating, I enjoy cooking, and (most days) I don't feel deprived of anything.

In other good news, my blood pressure went from high to normal (I can tell this is due to the increased exercise, because in the first month and a half of just diet changes it didn't budge - it's only since I started getting out more that it has come down).

I meet with my diabetes educator on Friday, and she will help me formulate some more strategies for meal planning for this next stage.

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Thanks, James!

I'll be honest, I haven't gone low carb - it was really intimidating for me and I thought I would start off with other changes and see how it went.

My biggest changes were:
-switching out my carbs for more complex ones (whole grains instead of white), and eating at least half of the amount of carbs I used to eat
-smaller portions in general
-packing as many veggies as I can into my meals
-cutting out foods with added sugars
-exercising more (thank you, Pokemon go! lol - first time being an obsessive nerd has motivated me to be more active)

When I look back at what I was eating before, I realize that I was probably a carb/sugar junkie. I tried to make good choices, but without putting research into what a "good choice" was, I thought it was just low in calories and fat, but I was completely overdoing carbs and sugars because they were completely off my radar.

I obsessively make lists and meticulously plan things, so it is a big project for me to begin testing new recipes, let alone overhauling my diet, but now that I am in a better place I think I will challenge myself to incorporate more low-carb meals, and see how that changes my numbers for my next check-in in three months.

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