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KATHARINE01948,

What do I eat for energy? I eat fat and protein.

Fat has 9 calories per gram, and protein has 4. Plenty of energy in that. If I'm feeling weak I typically eat some cheese and feel more energetic in about 15 minutes.The piece of apple pie was a mistake.

I have found that one only needs carbs as a pick me up if one typically eats carbs, but if you don't then then fatty calorie sources work just as quickly. I suppose a protein powder drink might work quickly too, but I've never tried that. I typically bake my protein powder into other more carb-like stuff, cake, pancakes ... but without the carbs.


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James thats awful
what do you have or do for energy ???

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ZOEWMU,

I'm in the unfortunate situation that my natural carb tolerance is so low that any extra overload, like that slice of apple pie, and it was a smallish one, immediately gives me physical symptoms.

In my case sticky saliva, which is a constant reminder that blood sugar is bad. It's not a blood test and a number, but a constant unpleasant sensation. Then secondly, after a while of that my throat got sore because the saliva now allowed stuff to live in my throat that normally wouldn't.

I'm back on track again. Knowing that carbs are the problem I've tried to flush the excess out a little faster. So breakfast was a protein powder waffle (less than a gram of carbs in that) with butter (0 carbs) and no peanut butter on that. My coffee had about 2 tablespoons of whipping cream (1 gram of carbs in that).

So 2 grams of carbs with breakfast. I'm feeling OK again. Sheesh.

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I wish I could say I was eating low carb. I start out every day with good intentions. And then the cravings kick in. The last time this happened, the doctor's treated me as if I was having a moral failing. Once I started metformin, and my blood sugar settled back down, the cravings went away and I could follow the plan. My plan was to take metformin for a year, lose weight, and get to the point where my blood sugar is manageable with diet.

I've been reading about L-glutamine as a supplement that helps with cravings. I think I'm going to try it. I'm in a catch 22. Until my blood sugar comes back down, my head's not in the right place to do low carb. And until I do low carb, my blood sugar won't come back down. I'm hoping L-glutamine will help with that.

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JFIGUEROA64,

Welcome.

I'm curious about your "eating right" goal. What have you changed?

Except for my recent bit of apple pie, I'm generally very low carb, and rate foods by how many carbs I get eating them (lower is better).

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ZOEWMU,

I agree, when hunger ramps up it generally means blood sugar is out of whack. But did you test your blood sugar?

I wish I had a suggestion for you. For myself, if I eat more carbs than usual, then I get more hungry later, a vicious cycle. But if you are already pretty low carb, and feeling hungry ... Hmmm. More cheese?

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I'm starting to have the same symptoms I had when I was first diagnosed with diabetes--hungry all the time, going the the bathroom frequently, and strong cravings. I'm still taking medication, but it is hard to stay ketogenic when the cravings are this bad. That means I'm not eating as well, which means my blood sugars are higher, even with medication, and the cycle just keeps going. Although, I noticed that, when I do eat ketogenic, I eat more than usual as well, which I think makes my blood sugars higher as well. Or they are staying high and not tapering off from one meal to the next. Something isn't right.

I may need to find something that helps with cravings. I know that Atkins used to say that there were supplements that you could take that help with that.

Any ideas?

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Better today. I calculated my carb load for the other day, about 80 grams with the slice of apple pie. Duh, 40 grams in the pie alone. Stupid me!

Feeling much more normal today. Throat is fine too.

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Awe James . better days ahead
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It is very strange that I've been getting a slight sore throat on and off for the last weeks.

I finally made the connection last week. When my blood sugar is up, my saliva feels sticky, and that provides an environment for something to happen in my throat.

I have that problem again this morning. I had two glasses of red wine last night. I suspect the sugar in that wine, when put on top of other stuff is too much for me to handle.

Sure enough blood sugar this morning was 8.8 ( 158 on the other scale). Way too high. My body is pretty burned out in terms of its carb handling abilities. No wine today, no dark chocolate, no peanut butter.

Sigh.

Moral of the story ... listen to your body, all the various things, and take charge.

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good afternoon

James I seen where you ??? mid week camping . Roy works part time . So we leave on a Thursday and come back on Sundays . sometimes we get lucky and can stay longer . we go once a month . its great to get out of this heat.

Jan if you know your eating badly , why do you do a test ??? Zoe I think once you do the research . you will like GI Load . its more accurate than GI In dex. .

here is a must have web site http://nutritiondata.self.com/topics/glyce
mic-index

it has GI Load . you can put the item of food in the search bar . you will get full results of nutrient . and GI LOad . it will explain the difference . and this is great for carb counters .



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Excellent idea Zoe.

I eat bad things then forget to do the two hour test! I'm a knuckle head.

However, I can tell you exactly what gives me a fit all night long, burning all over my body, and other baaaad sensations.

Sugar, ie, petit fours, my weakness.

Mexican tortilla chips....had some the other night and suffered greatly.


I'll try to do more testing myself.

Today has been a fasting day because I ate a hotdog last night, no bun, and it has given my interstistitis a fit today.

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I have decided that, if I'm going to eat off plan, I am going to take a 2 hour blood sugar and a fasting the next morning. I need to be honest about what my food choices are doing to my body and the way to do that is to test. I think I also need to test when I'm making healthy food choices. To confirm to myself that those choices have a positive impact. One of the things I noticed was, when I do keto regularly, I stop testing as regularly. Because of this, I don't get the reward of a low blood sugar. So then I start to think it doesn't matter.

One thing I'm finding is that, drumroll please, it's sugar. I can eat higher carb without as much impact on my blood sugar if I'm not eating sugar. So, popcorn doesn't impact my blood sugar as much as cookies. One chocolate chip cookie has about 9 carbs. 2 cups of popcorn has about 10 net carbs. Now, I don't eat them in those quantities. But, the other thing is, sugar will trigger way more impulsive eating. Those cookies will morph into wanting to eat everything that's not nailed. Down. Popcorn doesn't do that. I eat it, and lots of it when I do, but it doesn't make me want to eat other stuff. It could be that the popcorn is also drenched in butter, so the fat fills me up. And sugar raises my blood sugar more than other carbs, even if I've eaten too many carbs to begin with.

Why does this matter? Because it means that, even if I'm eating off plan, what I choose to eat matters. The only two things I've really tested are popcorn and sugary stuff (cookies, ice cream, etc). I haven't tested bread, or potatoes, or corn, or tortilla chips (my other favorite). I think I might need to start thinking of my off plan days, because I'm going to have them, as another science experiment. I need to find out how individual foods affect me. Then I will be able to make better off plan choices. Kind of the lesser of the evils sort of thing. I've accepted that I'm not going to be perfect at this. But, I still need to make the best, most informed choices I can.

This brought me to thinking that maybe I should research glycemic index or glycemic load and that could help me figure out what foods are more likely to raise blood sugar. I'm going to have to do some more research on this. But honestly, I don't think it matters. I think tracking what off plan food I chose to eat, and testing my own blood sugar, will tell me more than any chart.

Sorry about the novel.

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I'm right there with you Zoe.

I hope we can both stay on track.

Honestly, looking at my situation as objectively as possible, what would benefit me greatly is if, when I have an off track day, I accept it as normal, and immediately get back on track the next day. With the goal of having few off track days.

I say this because I know I am not perfect.

Still, as much as the high BS is harming my body, you'd think I would never touch bread/cake/sweets again!

I think I was dx as early diabetic about 7 years ago. My a1c at the time was 5.4....I was good/bad off and on and my a1c gradually climbed to 5.8.....this year was the first year it reached over 6, in April it was 6.3.....

So that said, you might think I'd have no issues yet. But I do. Numbness in toes. Severe gastro issues for a couple years. Now, some feeling of paralysis on left side. Bad night sweats on face and neck. Some bladder issues. I think I have early autonomic neuropathy.

So why the heck would I eat a sausage biscuit? Or a piece of cake???

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well, I learned this morning how well I've actually been doing. Yesterday was an off day for me, eating wise. Lots of unhealthy choices.

Today my fasting blood sugar was 148. So, my healthy habits were paying off and keeping my blood sugars lower.

Back on track. I wish I could just stay there.

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James and Katherine, I had the same question regarding katherine's comment, but didn't want to say anything to confuse Katherine.

Total carb grams less fiber grams equals net carb grams.

Right?

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KATHARINE01948,

I'm confused. If you subtract the fibre count from the total carb count, the resulting number is net carbs, the digestible ones with calories.

What math were you doing?

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two hours post dinner is 115

I'll gladly take that

Hope morning is good.

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James I read your post on 9/14 about total carbs . I was doing net carbs for years wrong. I would take the fiber count and subtract it from the carb count . totally wrong .to use all the fiber

I had a 100 FBS reading this morning . I had a snickers fun size last night

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That's good Zoe.

I have eaten light today, hope it helps with mine in the morning.

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All I know is that, now, the high for my morning blood sugar is still significantly lower than it was. It was 105 this morning. Moving in the right direction.

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One possible explanation for Zoe's higher morning that two hours post dinner is this:

It is possible that her food is not digesting as quickly as normal.

I have that problem myself.

Also there's what is known as the "Dawn Effect."

MY FBS this morning was 115. I ate inappropriately at dinner. Sausage biscuit and strawberries with whip cream.

When I eat inappropriately at dinner, I have bad feelings through the night into morning. Night sweats. Burning sensation in my limbs.

Knock knock Jan, get a grip.

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My fasting numbers are first thing in the morning. My 2 hours are usually at 9 pm or so, 2 hours after I've eaten dinner.



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ZOEWMU,

interesting, your blood sugar two hours after a meal is lower than you fasting number.

By fasting, is that your first thing in the morning number? If so that makes some sense, the physical inactivity while sleeping is not burning off the carbs like daytime movement does, so blood sugar can slowly rise overnight, to a morning "high".

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Doing well. back on the keto train. My 2 hour blood sugars are running 100 or below. My fasting blood sugars are still in the 120's. I'm trying to be patient because I know that, over time, as I rest my beta cells, lose weight, and eat well, that my fasting blood sugars will get lessen. I just want them to be closer to 100.

Patience is not my strong point.

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Subject: Food label reading and interpretation

MARCIABELL3,

Fibre is technically, from a molecular structure viewpoint, a carbohydrate.

However few animals can digest it. Termites can, which is why they can eat wood, for humans though, we can't. For the above molecular reasons they are listed as a subcategory on nutrition labels, but subtract them out from total carbs to get the digestible, or net carb count.

Here is a label:


So 28 grams of this has 6 grams of carbs, so about 21% of its weight. But when you forget the 4 grams of fibre, 6-4 is 2 grams of net, or digestible carbs. One of those 2 is sugar, the other is something else. Labels don't always give a full breakdown of the total carbs.

But 2 of 28 is 7% of the weight as net carbs. As a diabetic you want to avoid carbs (net carbs) as much as you reasonably can. I don't even know what this food is, but whatever it is, since it just slightly above my personal cutoff of 6% I'd eat small quantities of it.


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Hi James, right now, I'm focusing on Dietary Fiber -3gr or more ... my dietitian says 45 gr of carbs for each of my 3 meals right now -- she says we are just going to go at it slowly so that the changes I make stay with me.

I'm collecting the labels of the foods I normally eat and for my new replacements. I figure that as I continue to alter my eating habits, I will need to make additional changes so having them will allow me to figure out serving sizes.

I created a spreadsheet to help me figure out portion control ... I'm nearly finished with Breakfast and I'm going to start working on Lunch and then Dinner. I like the Protein/Starchy Carbs/Complex Carbs/Fruit, Fat, Other breakdown and I don't think SparkPeople tracks my breakdown.



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MARCIABELLE3,

I've been controlling my blood sugar with food choices alone for over 5 years and at the high side of normal A1c tests during that time.

Before that it was 12 years of pills.

My goal is to eat as few carbs as I can, but still eat food, and some treats. Virtually every food has some carbs. Zero carbs would cut out all sorts of healthy stuff. So my numerical goal is 30 grams of net carbs a day, and maybe 50 on a very high day. I don't count much, but I simply eat low carb things.

So what is low carb? It is bit fuzzy. I have a Bachelor's degree in mathematics, so I like thinking along mathematical lines, even if the math is simple. By my definition a food is low carb (and so I'll eat it) if 6% of its weight, or less of course, is carbs. I don't count fibre in that.

Then it is super easy to read a nutrition label while shopping and either do the arithmetic in my head from the numbers on the nutrition label, or use a calculator.

What is your plan to get better blood sugar?

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Great Zoe!

I have been busy with bath remodel and not tracking.

On my way to get a big salad now.

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Today was a better day. I fasted from dinner last night until 8 pm tonight. Wanted to give my body a chance to relax and get back on track. low carb dinner tonight. I'm back on track.

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ZOEWMU,

Yes, tomorrow is a new day.

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well, today wasn't a good day. Argumentative special needs daughter was in fine form today....all directed at me. I can take a lot of stress, but today, away from home, at a party, trying to visit with my sister, I didn't manage as well as I would like. It was control my eating habits or control my temper. I did control my temper. My eating not so much. The sad thing is, when I eat lousy, I feel lousy and I know it. So, I paid the price and felt lousy the rest of the day.

Tomorrow is a new day. Back on track. Moving forward.

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the day before it was 88
last night was my test . I had 2 fun bags of M&M . so this morning BFS was 113

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Good luck! keep us posted on how it's working for you. Yay on the lower blood sugar.

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I'm going to try The Whole30 a while to get back to swing of things

FBS this morning was 99

Better!

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That's a bummer. I was watching with great interest.

For myself I know that, for the rest of my life, I will need to:
watch my carb intake and fast intermittently. Those two things keep my blood sugar down. I don't think I'll ever be able to go back to my old eating habits. Maybe once I lose weight I won't have to watch my carb intake as close or fast as often. Then again, maybe I will.

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Okay, it is official. the 7 weeks of Newcastle did not CURE my type 2....it merely kept it controlled, with normal BS.

Yesterdays test was coconut pie, fried porkchop, peas, Burker King burgers, coke, and icecream.

This mornings FBS was 133.

Does this mean I must do Newcastle the rest of my life to have great BS? it was running about 82 FBS when I stayed on plan on Newcastle.

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it was hormonal. the weight started coming off again. And my FBS this morning was 105!


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ZOEWMU,

My experience eating low carb, Keto specifically, is that my weight is very stable. If I want to loose weight I really have to eat less and be a little hungry for a few days, and after 3 or 4 days of that it is a pound down, and I'm stable again until I take another mini-run on weight loss.

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My FBS was 113 this morning. That's because I ate bad all day long yesterday. It was so bad I can't even remember it all. Stuff like strawberries soaked in sugar and covered in cream. Bbq ribs. Potatoe salad

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I'm eating ketogenic. I do find that fasting helps lower my blood sugars. I don't know if it's because the beta cells can rest, or if it's just that I don't eat as many carbs. During the week, I try to fast through lunch and eat a big dinner. On the weekends, I try to eat normally with the family. I haven't lost any weight over the past week. That could be due to hormonal fluctuations, an increase in food intake (I was camping all weekend), or a fluke. I'm really not sure. I'm still 19 pounds down from where I started, so I'm trying to relax with it and wait for it to start coming off again.

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ZOEWMU,

very good numbers. You are doing well.

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back from camping. Not tracking daily, but eating ketogenic, and taking my blood sugars regularly. It's interesting. My 2 hour post meal blood sugars are regularly below 100. My fasting blood sugars run 110 to 120. I'm logging them to see if I can find a trend downwards over time.

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KATHARINE01948,

How much corn syrup is too much has individual answers. Regular table sugar (sucrose) is a mixture of glucose and fructose, 50% and 50%. In a liquid these two separate.

Glucose raises blood sugar and more easily fuels cells. Fructose does not raise blood sugar, but more easily is stored into body fat "for later". Fructose needs some extra enzymes to be used and is less preferred by the body compared to glucose.

Corn syrup is 3/4 carbohydrates, basically sugar in a liquid solution. High Fructose Corn syrup is one with a higher ratio of fructose to glucose, 55% fructose, 45% glucose. Basically you add more fructose to the solution.

All in all I don't see any difference between corn syrup and sugar, except it is dispensed in a liquid form.

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what a good job . I did basically the same . I did switching . and searching out fructose
and corn syrups . I had sugar free coffees . but had corn syrup
i wonder how much corn syrup is too much ???

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MIDORI_SPARK,

Well that sounds encouraging. It sounds like you were eating a lot of carbs and your body couldn't handle it (I'm presuming you've been diagnosed as being a type-2 diabetic).

There is however a whole range of abilities to handle carbs, and their impact on blood sugar. Sort of like say lifting weights Some folks can lift 100 pounds with no problems, others can manage 20. Diabetes is just an arbitrary number in a broad range of possibilities.

In your case it sounds like ability to handle carbs is still pretty good. So I encourage you to not burn yourself out any further. If you want to cut back on carbs, and you do as a diabetic, then there are a range of strategies. One strategy is to weigh your portions, calculate and count your carbs. If I did that, I know I'd be around 40 grams a day. I know for sure that at 90 my blood sugar is bad. North American adult daily average is 330.

Another strategy is not to eat "white" things. No sugar, no white bread, potatoes or rice.

Another strategy is not to buy or eat things with sugar as an ingredient. So many names for sugar too, sugar, glucose, fructose, ....

My strategy differs, I read labels, or research foods with no labels. Tomatoes for example have no nutrition label. My strategy is to only eat things whose weight is 6% carbs or less. I stick pretty close to that.

Whatever your plan is, you need a plan. Your blood sugar was in a bad range, or you wouldn't be here. My experience is that type-2 diabetes is an insulin burn out issue, which slowly gets worse. So making changes to slow or stop that progression is extremely important. No changes and you find yourself in a spot with yet less toleration of carbs.

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Ah, and yes you're right, I'm enjoying it more and more. I genuinely enjoy the things I'm eating, I enjoy cooking, and (most days) I don't feel deprived of anything.

In other good news, my blood pressure went from high to normal (I can tell this is due to the increased exercise, because in the first month and a half of just diet changes it didn't budge - it's only since I started getting out more that it has come down).

I meet with my diabetes educator on Friday, and she will help me formulate some more strategies for meal planning for this next stage.

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Thanks, James!

I'll be honest, I haven't gone low carb - it was really intimidating for me and I thought I would start off with other changes and see how it went.

My biggest changes were:
-switching out my carbs for more complex ones (whole grains instead of white), and eating at least half of the amount of carbs I used to eat
-smaller portions in general
-packing as many veggies as I can into my meals
-cutting out foods with added sugars
-exercising more (thank you, Pokemon go! lol - first time being an obsessive nerd has motivated me to be more active)

When I look back at what I was eating before, I realize that I was probably a carb/sugar junkie. I tried to make good choices, but without putting research into what a "good choice" was, I thought it was just low in calories and fat, but I was completely overdoing carbs and sugars because they were completely off my radar.

I obsessively make lists and meticulously plan things, so it is a big project for me to begin testing new recipes, let alone overhauling my diet, but now that I am in a better place I think I will challenge myself to incorporate more low-carb meals, and see how that changes my numbers for my next check-in in three months.

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MIDORI_SPARK,

Good stuff! What did you change? Any idea of how many grams of carbs you are now eating per day?

Chances are pretty good that if you keep eating "right", and I think that is low carb, then you will get weaned off of metformin. It is so much easier to control blood sugar with food choices than with pills.

The thing is you are probably eating healthier now than before, and liking it more and more. Am I right?

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Hello Team,

Just checking in to share that I had my three month follow-up with my doctor today, and it was good news. Three months ago when I was diagnosed, my a1c was 6.7, and today it was 5.7! She's halved my dose of Metformin, and is hopeful that if my a1c is even lower next time, then she can take me off the medication altogether.

Thanks again for your support in those scary first stages!

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ZOEWMU,

good plan on the metformin. I have no idea on the blood test stuff though.

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Still moving forward. Back on metformin. I'm tracking my blood sugars, weight, and whether or not I ate keto that day. I think the metformin does help things from getting too out of whack. I've decided that once I've lost another 35 pounds, I will try without it again and see what happens.

Has anyone used the relion blood glucose monitors from Wal-mart? I've heard good and bad about their accuracy. 100 strips are less than $20 which would make it so much easier to pay cash for than the $150 strips that my regular meter needs.

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Jan,

That is a great way to word it, ... recovering some weakened beta cells.

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Looking forward to recovering some weakened beta cells this week!

During my hiatis this last week, I managed to eat lots and lots of no no's. strawberry pie, biscuits, cornbread dressing to name a few.

Still my FBS did not rise to diabetic levels. I attribute that to the prior several weeks of healthy eating.

Looking forward to cleansing my cells.

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I found that same article James! It was confirmation to me that what I'm doing, even though it makes no sense to folks outside the keto circle, makes good scientific sense.


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Interesting james:



"People with Type 2, however, recover beta cell function all the time. A study done in Seattle found that beta cells subjected to high glucose levels (about 288 mg/dl in a test tube) lost function rapidly. But when switched to a low-glucose environment (about 15 mg/dl), most of them recovered normal insulin production."

So, that's what I'm trying to do with my Newcastle diet....recover Beta cells.

I have taken a few days off the diet this week, but now ready to start back and give it a go for another six to eight weeks.

I grew tired of the spinach salads. I'm going to switch up the salads with different lettuce and ingredients, as well as cook a big pot of turnip greens. Those will be eaten with the Atkins shakes.

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ZOEWMU (Susan),

You are pushing me into a new area where I know almost nothing. I love learning, so thanks.

My first look into beta cells enlightens me on the 600 calorie a day diet that JRWELL58 is trying to cure her diabetes with. Now I see the theory of why. The idea is to give these cells a serious rest on insulin production and that they then heal themselves to better produce insulin.

First article I saw on that:
www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/blog/
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Now I am going to look if new ones of this type can be created. I remember reading that new brain cells could not be created, but you just lost them over your lifetime. But I think this theory may not be quite right either.

So much more to think about. However, the main thing your doctor is trying to do is to not stress those cells. Eating low carb, or Keto is going to put less stress on those cells too, less insulin needed. I hope you see your new doctor too. All doctors don't have the same opinion, my doctor for example is OK with my slightly high blood sugar, and it sounds like yours isn't.

Now on to reading up on beta cells.

The main thing, "eat healthy" and from your recent blog, you know what to do.

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good afternoon
I am so impressed on your knowledge James.

My A1c test was .01 over . I don't know if that's good or not
I have been a pre diabetic .for 3 years . I was diagnosed . that I crossed over and told by my Doctor I was a diabetic .
I Join this team . Because of knowledge and people care . I was what they called a lurker
reading posts for several days . I liked what I read and the team members .
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went to the doctor this morning. He renewed my medicine. He looked at my blood sugars and said they were still higher than he'd like. He said, and I don't know how true this is, that once you lose Beta cells, they don't come back and that metformin can help so I don't lose as many. This is more science than I understand, but I'm going to do some digging and see what's out there.

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Dory (KATHARINE1948),
Your blood sugar numbers look good, your weight looks good, ... what has guided you to this group?

Did you recently get diagnosed as being a diabetic? Are you taking medication?

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Katharine,

Most blood sugar testing shows the level of sugar in the blood at that instant, and blood sugar can change pretty quickly, like with 30 minutes after eating, or less.

Hemoglobin in the blood is related to getting oxygen into your cells, and sugar, blood sugar, sticks to the hemoglobin, "glycated". The measure of this stuff gives you measure of a longer average of where your blood sugar is, roughly a three month average.

So with this test it is hard to eat well the day or two before the test and look better than you are. If you can eat better for three months in order to look better on the test, well by then it is practically a lifestyle change.

Anyway, the A1c test indicates about where your blood sugar average was over the last months.

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Good afternoon

to answer questions Jan I don't know ac1 what it means .
I weighed the day I was at the doctors office 139 . that has been about a week and a couple days . I weigh 135 . I have been walking as much as possible. trying to get in my 10,000 steps
I have averaged over 6,000 per day . But I also do Yoga . and when I can water aerobics twice a week.
My sugar level is 98 to day . The highest since I started this journey is 109 . I have a journal
so far I cant put my finger on it . My carbs are under 100 . My calories has been under 1,000
I adjust according to my Exercise that day . I have gotten rid of everything that had corn syrup . then the weight came off fast .

dory for rambling on


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ZOEWMU (Susan),

I think I saw your ticker move down another 0.4 pounds since your last post. Good stuff!



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Katharine,

Hmmm, Jan (JRWELL58) is eating very low calorie and doing so in an effort to cure her type-2 diabetes. Even if that doesn't work, though I hope it does, she is finding that her blood sugar is better than before while eating not enough calories.

I too have my best blood sugar while eating less calories than I burn in a day, in other words while in weight loss mode. Of course I am always eating very low carb, in weight loss mode or not.

My blood sugar only goes up when I eat too many carbs in a day, and for me too many is somewhere around 60 or 70 grams.

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Katherine did you lose a lot of weight? Did it help your A1c?

I've lost some, have lots more to go.

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that's good information James .

I have lost down to 135.6 and yesterday my BMI is in the normal range .
My son says to not enough calories . will cause your sugar level to go up ?????
I need to research that also .

I believe take what you know and do it !!! that's wisdom .
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ZOEWMU,

As for insulin being less effective when eating very low carb...

I tend to believe this, though I have no proof. If you are eating the standard American diet which includes about 300 grams of carbs a day then your body chemistry is all primed to burn carbs, and fat, even body fat is less efficiently burned.

If you cut carbs to say 40 grams a day, the body has a shock, even when eating the same number of calories, just not from carbs. Besides that big loss in glycogen and the water "whoosh fairy" and the satisfying drop of about 5 pounds in week one or so, there is a longer pretty fast fat loss, perhaps 2 to 3 pounds a week for a few weeks, then weight loss slows and you go "what the heck, I'm eating the same" and now it is only 1 pound a week or 1/2 a pound.

The theory is that your body chemistry has retooled to more efficiently burn fat, fewer partly burn fats in the urine (less ketones). I suspect that as you become more efficient at burning fat, you become less efficient at burning carbs. The flip flop, and being less efficient at burning carbs means that your body now doesn't deal with carbs like before, doesn't burn then as easily, and they float around in the blood longer as they can't get into cells as easily.

Make sense? So the downside of eating very low carb is that you become more sensitive (blood sugar wise) to carbs. That is what I believe, and I say "believe" because it is just a thought.

P.S. This fits into my idea of high carb times being summer fattening up times, where you efficiently consume carbs in the summer, and pack on fat for the winter, and in the winter, when carbs are scarce, you efficiently burn fat, and are more sensitive to carbs, but who cares, there are few carbs available in the winter to really mess with your blood sugar.

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OH YAH, good for you!

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As of this morning, I've lost a little less than a pound since my last weigh in. But...it puts me at my lowest weight this year! Almost 19 pounds gone since June 1st.

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hop right back on the train. We can do this.

Hey, have you heard of a sweetener called pyure? It's a combination of erithrytol and stevia. Is it decent?

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Oh my.

I messed around and had a fairly high carb day, with a late dinner. I guess today was a maintenance day.

Wonder what the morning will bring.

1308 cals
43 total carbs
105 fat
62 protein
22 fiber

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I'm a little over 10 pounds more than you. I would love to get down to 140, but at this point every loss is better for my health than where I am now. The lowest I've been in the past 5 years is 175. I would love to be back there even. I get stuck at about that weight. I have to figure out how to accept that rather than get discouraged and drug down by it.

We can do this.

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Yeah you can do it without the shakes. Their only purpose is the protein and vitamins.

Good luck. Lose some of that weight and you won't need medication

I need to lose 60 to 70 more pounds also.

Wish me luck

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I'm not a big fan of medication either. However, until I get all of my stuff under control and lose some of the weight that's plaguing me, it might be the lesser of the evils. I had to consider which was worse...taking a medication short term or feeling the symptoms of high blood sugar, one of which is hunger, which makes it harder to lose the weight that will fix the problem. My hope is that I only have to take it for another few months and then can just do keto without medication. I have about 70 pounds to lose. When my blood sugar is at 120, I feel lousy. Most diabetes literature (cough cough) says that number is fine. My body says it's not.

I like the results you've gotten with the newcastle and have thought about trying it as well. My one concern is the shakes. I try to avoid all artificial sweeteners. Most shakes have them in it. Although, the way I've been fasting lately, I'm not sure I eat more than 1000 calories a day anyways. I'm going to try doing more of it and see if it helps.

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Hmmm Zoe I just don't know. I'm sure we are all different.

I can only tell you about me.

In June my FBS was running around 126. I think one morning it even got up to 140. I think that was the morning after the donut incident (six big donuts)

So July 8 I started the Newcastle, very strict, 800 calories a day, 20 total carbs. (with some variances).

My FBS started coming down after a couple days, and gradually decreased. You know, like 114, 109, 106, 103, 99 etc. It worked its way down to where it was regularly in the low 80s over the course of the next six weeks.

It maybe would hover around up and down a couple days, but pretty much, it was decreasing.

But keep in mind this was super low calories and carbs.

It now after 7 weeks is in low 80s, except when I ate strawberries last night so this morning it was 108!.

I am not a big fan of metformin and so me personally I just refuse to take it. I'm determined to handle it though my diet.

I hope the same for you and I think you can do it if you hang in there a few weeks.

It seems to take a few weeks to get it down really well, simply I suppose because your body needs time to burn that internal fat that is clogging your pancreas.

The big mistake either I or you can make is if we fall off the low carb wagon. Zoom...up will go our BS.

Wishing you the best
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I'm still running morning blood sugars about 117. It's not anything I'm eating. I read somewhere that, if you low carb, your fasting blood sugars will run higher because your body doesn't use as much insulin so it becomes inefficient. I'm not sure I believe that. Any thoughts?

Called my doctor for a refill of Metformin. I was going to be out after this month anyways. I'm thinking I'm going to use it and see if my blood sugars get better as my weight comes down.

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jrwell I have the same Question . I had a fiber one bar about 7 pm .My sugar went to 100


I purchased these tortilla wraps 100 per cent whole wheat,. made with olive oil and flax seed

called xtreme wellness high fiber and low carb emoticon

Calories 50
total fat 1.5
carb 0.5 net carbs
sugar 0
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I've been basically on Newcastle for close to 8 weeks....gonna take a little break from it.

Yesterday I had just over 1000 calories and 28 total carbs.

My FBS this morning was 108.

I deduce that high number to be due to the 5 strawberries I ate before bedtime with a cheese stick.

Probably strawberries are fine for me to eat, but at midday not late in the day.

What do you guys think?

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That's funny Zoe!

I had a petit four Saturday and it was quite delicious!

But they are hand made by a local pastry chef and really quite special, with almond flavoring.

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I find that sugar doesn't taste good anymore. It's just yuck. Knowing that it is going to make me feel sick as well helps with the behavior change. I just remind myself that it won't taste like I'm hoping and it will make me feel yucky.

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Cat,

As a teenager I was so addicted to sugar (chocolate bars, Coke ...) that if I didn't get it I would get a pounding headache. That is real physical addiction.

A few years ago, when switching to low carb, I had some days where I fell off that wagon and ate one or two chocolate bars mid day. It wasn't a headache driving me, but cravings, thoughts of how good it would taste.

But really, the longer you don't eat that, and eat real food, the less pull those things have.

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thank you James

I can have 500 points for GI LOad . I have to look at what products has this corn syrup .
since I have done some weeding out , My sugar has been in 94 to 98 .

Its terrible when you think your living a healthy life style . to find out a few products can really
cause a health problem.I I am vegetarian . I like turkey only in the poultry family . so my choices of low carbs are few . I gave up the sweets , baked ones . and ice cream . its hard to put down those cookies , and cakes .and so forth .
so its baby steps .
thank you again

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Cat,

The GI theory is that although all carbs raise blood sugar, depending on their structure they are more quickly, or perhaps more slowly, but over a longer time, digested.

So you take a certain quantity of grams of glucose as a reference, consume that and measure how high your blood sugar spikes. That is called 100. So glucose has a GI of 100. You then eat whatever amount of mashed potatoes that have the same grams of carbs (not glucose, but other types of carbs) and see how high your blood sugar spikes. Potatoes have more fibre and other stuff that you need to swallow to get the same grams of carbs, and that slows the digestion of those carbs. Tables I've just looked at give mashed potatoes a GI of 85, so 85% the height of a pure sugar spike.

This means that the blood sugar profile of eating mashed potatoes is not quite as high, but it is spread out, as it takes longer to digest potatoes.

The theory is that the high spikes in the blood sugar curve are the damaging time and spikes should be avoided, hence low GI foods with a lower spike (though longer curve).

In my case, my system is so worn out and the tails on those curves are so stretched out and overlapping, that if I eat too many carbs they simply add up for a long time. If I have a high carb day I see it in my blood sugar for 12 to 18 hours, not the normal 2 to 3 hours of a non-diabetic. So for myself it isn't the peak that is the problem, my ability to lower blood sugar is so weak that the curves are so high, for so long that the tails of all those curves overlap and add up, from eating various things across the day. For myself it just makes sense to count total grams of carbs across my day.

For myself there are no "good carbs", they are all pretty bad for my blood sugar, so I avoid as many as I reasonably can. I still want to eat vegetables, and all vegetables have some carbs. It is the carbs in cake, cookies, sugar and stuff like that, which comes with no reedeming nutrition (vitamins, minerals, ...) that I very very seriously cut down on.

My plan to cut down on them is to favour foods that have a small fraction (percentage) of their weight as carbs, this just makes it harder to quickly consume too many, and although I haven't thought of it before, the other non-carb fraction of the food probably makes it lower GI too.

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Here are meal ideas for the Newcastle diet....which by the way I have not adhered strictly to since for example at lunch I had chicken breast on my salad.

http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/dia
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thank you James for the information . you can call me Cat. I agree lower the carbs . I am so far staying under 100

GI Load is just about the same as low carb .
except the impact of spiking .
what is the difference of fructose and corn syrup ???

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Zoe,
When I eat too many carbs my blood sugar stays high for a very long time, not just 2 or 3 hours after the meal, but also a very long slow decline over the next 12 or so hours.

Maybe metformin would lower than long tail.

Hope you are doing well with your sugars.

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yep. I'm not sure why it was that high. Still trying to get a feel for what's going on. My 2 hour post steak dinner blood sugar was 107. I did stop taking metformin...maybe I really needed it. Will keep with keto and see if it keeps going downward.

When I eat sweet stuff, my two hour blood sugar tends to be between 150 and 170. My fasting gets up in that range as well. So, low carb is better than not no carb, but still not as good as I'd like.

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Katharine,

Without weighing and counting carbs, my method is to pick low carb things from the start. To compare one item to another I look at what percentage of its weight is carbs.

So comparing salad dressings:
- thousand island (15%)
- French (16%)
- Italian (10%)
- ranch (6%)

So I favour Ranch dressing.

Like Zoe said about steak:
- steak (0%)

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Zoe, steak works for me!!! Love it!

James, you are so right....sugar is our enemy. The root of all our ailments.

Katherine, good luck, you can reverse your diabetes, or keep it at bay, or whatever you want to call it just by eating low carb, I think anyway. Hope it works for you as it has for me.

Zoe I saw where your fasting BS was 126, and that concerns me. Are you eating very low carb? I thought you were.

Earlier in the summer mine was getting up to 126 because I was eating little petit fours, sweet sutff,and then I had the donut incident, then that's when I went very low carb. Every day it lowered some. 114. 109. 103.. 99...97....now in the low 80s.

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There is definitely a learning curve. Eat something you think is fine. Find out later that it wasn't as great of a choice as you think it is. Try something else. Eventually, you'll figure out what works.

found some steak in the freezer today. My favorite low carb meal.



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Katharine,

Well I have nothing good to say about sugar. All calories and no nutrients. But fructose, which is one type of sugar, has a limited ability to be stored in liver and muscles, very limited, and after that it starts to raise blood sugar.

Your brain can run on glucose, or ketones (from fat), and only one small part of your brain must have glucose, about 20 grams a day. Even if you eat no carbohydrates your body will turn some protein into glucose (gluconeogenesis). So essentially you can run on fat and protein (as the Innuit, formerly Eskimoes, used to do in their traditional diets).

As I read up on fructose, it seems to have a weaker feedback of telling you that you aren't hungry anymore, so you can more easily over consume.

But I eat neither sugar, nor fructose.

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Good morning

i use the GI Load to reverse this diabetics .
the sugar level this morning went up 8 points .I am keeping a food Journal and also finding out what is diabetic friendly .

I am beginning to think corn syrup is the foe . I had one thousand Island on my salad .
i looked up the ingredients . it has corn syrup .
now I need to find a friendly salad dressing .
I will do it .

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Zoe,

Two days without metformin, that is like forever.

Metformin makes your existing insulin more effective. If you are eating very few carbs then you need very little insulin, and your body may already produce enough to keep blood sugar under control. You'll know my monitoring your blood sugar.

I'm hoping you don't need it either now that you've changed what you eat.

I found that I didn't need it either after only a week or so into eating low carb. I found that by accident as I just forgot my medication for about a day and a half, and measured blood sugar, very surprised that it was as good as before, and then got even better. I had not lost my body fat at that point either as I had just started my weight loss diet. I'm 20 pounds lighter now than then, so in theory my carb tolerance has gone up due to that, but I'm not intentionally testing that idea out. So 5 years of low carb (Keto) and no pills.

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I've been without it for about 2 days. I'll keep testing and see what happens. I'm hopeful that, if I continue to eat properly, I won't need it.

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Zoe,

Regular metformin has a half life of 6 hours. So if you've gone 24 hours without it, that means you are at one sixteenth of its effectiveness, which is virtually zero.

Measure your blood sugar. I hope this is accidental step works out.

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FBS 126 this morning. I lost my new bottle of metformin. I have no idea where I put it. I found the old bottle and am thinking I may have thrown the new one away and kept the empty. So, it looks like I'll be trying ketogenic without medication to see if my blood sugar can stay under control without it.

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Those pancakes look...delicious!

FBS 84

Newcastle is working, I believe. Though I'd like to see it in the 70s.

We'll see how it holds up when I finish Newcastle and add a few more carbs to the plan.

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10 tablespoons vanilla (or other flavour) whey protein powder (80 grams)
2 eggs
40 grams of oil, like corn oil
40 grams of water
1/4 teaspoon baking powder

Whisk the dry ingredients together in a small bowl. After that whisk in the egg and oil and water.

Lightly grease a small nonstick skillet with oil or cooking spray and heat on medium. Spoon in the batter to form about 12 separate pancakes.



Or you can use the batter in your waffle maker


The nutritional information for 100 grams of just waffles (or pancakes) is:

NUTRITIONAL INFORMATION (for 100 grams)
Calories (245)
Carbs (0.8 grams)
Fat (20 grams)
Protein (30 grams)

Look at that, less than 1% of the weight of those waffles is carbs. It makes broccoli, at 5% look like high carb.

P.S. These days I'm eating my waffles at room temperature (not hot) with butter and unsweetened peanut butter. If you really want to avoid the carbs, just butter on them is great too.

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