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4/1/13 11:49 P

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Sorry I haven't posted for awhile but have been really busy. I have heard the debate about UV killing the good bacteria as well as the bad but the debate is really mixed. I have the Green Machine in the tank and when I first put it in for the problem with the thread algae, it cleared up. Then had a disaster with cleaning the tank (long story) and the algae came back with a vengeance. The Green Machine indicated that it was still operating properly but it is a sealed system so I couldn't inspect the bulb. So after several weeks of water changes and depleting the fish population (most of the feeder guppies that I cycled the tank with) the thread algae still would not go away. Everything I read kept saying the nutrients were too high but plants should rob the algae of their supply, the tank has plenty of plants. I even thought about what Shred2day said about putting fish in there to eat the algae but the recommended fish for thread algae is Siamese algae eaters and that seemed like throwing a band-aid in there instead of fixing the problem. So finally, two weeks ago I decided to replace the UV module on the Green Machine an low and behold the thread algae is gone. I still have hair algae but it's not too bad and It seems to give a natural look to the tank. So to be honest, I'm not sure if changing the module was the cure or if the water changes and lowering the nutrients by removing the fish. Next time if it comes back I'll change the module out right away and see what occurs. I won't let the tank water get away from me ever again; water changes and vacuuming every week.

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3/14/13 12:27 A

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I have lost fish adding too many fish immediately even in fresh water. So there is always a caveat to adding fish for the cycling, spikes that are too high can take a toll. Although I absolutely agree with Shred2day that cycling is even more important (and less forgiving)when it comes to saltwater. Having said all that, some of these fish that are going into my new aquarium are 11+ years old and I am pretty attached to them, so it is just not worth the risk for me. I did put a couple of the big tinfoil barbs in as well as using the aged filters to move through the cycle. I just needed to make sure the ammonia didn't go too high. It takes a while but if I come through on the other side with all of the fish I am happy.



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3/13/13 2:41 A

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UV lights are a double edged sword. They kill the bad bacteria, but they also kill the good stuff. The best way to add good bacteria back, is to use a fluidised bed filter, after the UV stage. This is overkill for a 30 gallon tank, and is usually only used on large systems. (banks of 30 tanks or more) A typical system would be carbon/large micron filter/smaller micron filter/UV/FBF/ and maybe over some wet/dry media.
Way too much for a 30. Best way to control algae in a 30 is some bristlenose plecos, and controlling the amount of light. BN are cheap, hardy, easy to breed, easy to obtain, excellent algae eaters ... and pretty cool fish. They normally stay in the 3-4" range, which will work well in a 30.


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3/13/13 2:26 A

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Wow,
Some of the most active posting on the site, and I missed the last 2 months of it. Sorry about that. I resubscribed to this thread, so I should be getting e-mail alerts now. Chris, it looks like CRITCAREVETTECH took good care of you while I was MIA.

The only answer I would change is the cycling. I add fish immediately without cycling, because I have enough tanks going, I can borrow cycled water from them. Using a seasoned filter is always a good idea, as it already has the bio going. (aerobic bacteria)

Cycling a tank is MUCH more important with saltwater.

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2/23/13 1:57 A

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The lighting system is made by Aqua Illumination and I have the blue sol lights and controller. I won't lie they are pricey but I wanted my dream tank and I went all out on this one. The lights ran me about $400/ea as does the controller, but they will pay for themselves in the long run. I figure after about 4 years I will be ahead of the T5 costs, and they are suppose to last 10-15 years. They also use less electricity. So I think the cost up front will come back to me down the road.

The UV sterilizers I am still learning about. I have two different kinds now. My first thought on yours is that you may need to pull the light and wipe it off and put it back. Although three months seems fast to have to do that, it is worth a shot.

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2/22/13 10:35 P

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Awesome, where can I check out a system like that, might be something I would like to do when I go to my bigger tank. And if I did decide to do something like that, depending on the cost of the unit might determine the size of tank I go to. Buy the way, you mentioned the UV sterilizer to keep algae down, I put one in my thirty gallon and worked really good for a couple months and now it doesn't seem to be doing anything at all; any thoughts?

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2/21/13 10:29 P

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The one I have with plants in it I run the lights 12 hours - 55 gallon. But the other ones I run about 10 hours. The new tank has this really amazing lighting system. It is computerized and essentially mimics real life. What this means is that it will slowly raise the lights in the morning as if the sun is rising and reach peak lighting around midday and then reverse that in the evening to create a sunset. I can set sunrise and sunset for whatever time I want, so I match our times here. It will also allow for weather changes. So it will mimic cloudiness and even do lightening storms randomly. It also will match the lunar cycle, creating a moonrise and it will move through full moon intensity to half and quarter moon intensity on a 28 day cycle just like the real moon. I use a UV sterilizer on the two big tanks, to minimize algae blooms and then I can run the lights a little bit longer than I normally do for the small tanks. All the tanks lights are on timers.

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2/20/13 11:52 P

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How long do you run your lights; I think I'm running my to long.

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2/20/13 8:43 A

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Boy you are right about that. I am glad everything is back in order.

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2/19/13 10:50 P

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Life of having fish; their so sensitive and if you don't stay on top of it all the time they are the ones who suffer. Tank is back in order and they all look happy.

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2/19/13 9:17 A

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oh man, I am sorry to hear that Chris. That is rough.

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2/18/13 11:35 P

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Had a real bad week a couple weeks ago; lost my other ram crayfish and two angels. I had let the tank go an extra week between cleaning and water changes and when I did the cleaning I used the cleaner that put the water back into the tank. needless to say the tank got cloudy really quick and that following week was when everything happened. I'm not sure if I let the water get to far out of balance or disturbing the tank the way I did caused it but I'm not going to let either happen again. I replaced the angels but will wait on the rams and crayfish.

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2/12/13 9:52 P

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I have to admit, I love the rams too but have not had the best of luck in keeping them alive either and I don't know why.

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2/12/13 9:49 P

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After my last post I lost one of my Electric Blue Rams and I was heart broken; they are hard to acquire and I really enjoy them. I don't plan on replacing him until I get a good idea why he might have died. I keep ya'll posted as to what might have happened.

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2/10/13 9:36 P

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I have a group of fish currently in a 125 gallon that have outgrown it and are moving to the 350 gallon. All of them started as 2-3 inch fish but they have grown well.

20 inch clown knife
10 inch clown loach
14 inch pleco
8 inch featherfin catfish
2 x 10 inch bala sharks
5 x 8-10 inch tinfoil barbs
6 inch prochilodus
9 inch tiger shovelnose cat
4 inch leporinus

Then I am converting the 125 gallon to an african cichlid tank.

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2/10/13 1:18 P

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So what do you plan on for the 350? I'm planning on a 125 gal to 250 gal and will probably stay with the smaller fish. On of my favorites are the Rams and would like to have a school of them.

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2/9/13 10:23 A

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I am getting ready to cycle the new 350 gallon (hopefully will be putting water into it tomorrow). I am going to try to start it with a dirty filter from another tank and some feeder guppies that have been living in my 125 gallon tank for a year. They seem to tolerate anything and have lived in a predator tank for a year and thrived so I will let them go play in the big tank for a while and help me get that one ready for the big occupants.

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1/25/13 9:07 P

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SHRED2DAY, when you cycle a tank do you put any live stock in the tank? I know it will cycle without the fish but have been told that it is better if you put some fish in the tank to start the bacteria quicker. What are your thoughts? Chris

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1/4/13 2:17 P

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Yea, that is one of the other reasons not to do salt. Back in 2007 (I think) we had two bad hurricanes down here in South Florida. I had three salt tanks going at the time and power went out for six weeks the first cane and four weeks the second. Lost thousands in hard and soft corals and live stock. Don't want to do that again even though I have a whole house generator.

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1/4/13 1:55 P

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Salt is high maintenance, but it has it's rewards. I don't have the patience or the money to persue SW right now.

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1/4/13 1:31 P

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Yea, I hear that. I just pu two electric blue rams in my tank and they are awsome, some of the prettyist freshwater fish that I've seen. But your absolutly correct about the devirsity and personality of the fish. Take my Betta, and I know they are a over rated fish but he has got the coolest personality. I think if he could get out of the water he would hang with you like a dog. When I was in my late teens I thought that breeding fish was something I wanted to do possiably for a living. I was breeding Bettas and Vail Angelfish, specialising in Back Vail. I learned real quick the realities of the pet trade and how dificult it is to make a living in it, so I have just been enjoying the hobby. I've tried both salt and fresh and I think I have decided I like fresh more because of the ease of it compaired to salt. Getting lazy in my old age I guess.

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All of my tanks are freshwater, and I've been a hobbiest breeder most of my life. 4 tanks are 100 gallon or better. (3-125s). The amazing part is there are still 1,000s of freshwater fish I haven't kept yet. The diversity of size,color,personality, and breeding activity is amazing. Even after all of these years.

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1/3/13 9:32 P

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No real question right now but just thought that it was fascinating that your running so many tanks. Are they a mixture of salt and fresh or just one or the other. I do understand how you could end up with that many; I find setting them up is half the fun. Right now I'm only running two tanks, a betta tank and custom 30 gal fresh. Plan to set up a 100 gal + or - a few gal. later this year.

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1/2/13 11:28 P

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43 years keeping fish. Ask away, I'm glad to help!

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1/2/13 9:31 P

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Hey SHRED2DAY, I have seen a couple of posting that you have made and can tell you got to be a wealth of information. I look forward to chatting with you if your still out there. emoticon

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12/11/12 1:44 P

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Hi all,

Unfortunately I don't see much posting on this forum. I truely hope it picks up. In the meantime...here's some links for active fish sites. Hope I'm not breaking any rules here.

For all fish sites (top 100) www.aquarank.com
For buying and selling fish www.aquabid.com (over 80,000 members)
For an active forum with a chatroom www.fishforums.com

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