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3/27/13 2:40 P

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I completely agree that using procreation as a reason not to allow it is absurd and antiquated. Also, what about the children already being raised in gay families? What about children growing up in the foster system? Just think of the children who would find loving homes if gay couples were allowed to adopt? I don't think those children would choose to stay in the system if given the chance to choose. If gay couples were allowed to marry, there would be one less reason to turn them down for adoption. Hmmmm....

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3/27/13 11:25 A

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As I stated earlier.....I believe that in the US, with our antiquated views on most social issues, anything legislated or ruled into law....will be done by degrees.

We are asking SCOTUS - 9 people of a 'certain age' and mindset - to jump a 1/2 century ahead in their thinking -- all at once. I don't think they are capable of it. My feeling is that nationally sanctioned same-sex marriage is not to be now. They'll probably re-instate it in California --- and think they've made GREAT strides. Perhaps, the next Court will reconsider and do the right thing. I hope I'm wrong!!

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3/26/13 10:52 P

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I haven't heard any of the arguments so thank you for sharing; of course that is completely absurd reasoning...Oh the ignorance of people...

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3/26/13 9:52 P

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While listening to the coverage of the oral arguments before the Supreme Court by the attorney who argued that the inability of gay couples to procreate was a reason not to allow them to marry, I kept imagining a world where we would all be required to prove our fertility before being given marriage permits.
No more marriage for women after menopause, men who've had vasectomies, etc. Maybe we should allow an automatic divorce in those cases? Seriously, this is absurd.

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3/26/13 7:27 P

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I was born in '76, and I had one gay friend, that I knew of. Most were afraid to come out back then, and for good reason. My friend was the sweetest, kindest person, but he was taunted and bullied all through school. All his friends were girls because the guys just would have nothing to do with him. One of my best friends was lesbian and she didn't feel comfortable coming out even to me. I didn't find out until we were adults. I think she was just afraid that it might get out by accident or something. Her parents were also a lesbian couple and I had no idea. They kept it secret, I'm sure to protect her at school. Not that I would've told anyone but just to be on the safe side, I guess. I wish we could all realize that everyone is equally worthy of kindness and respect. Those are just basic human rights. It seems that throughout history, there has always been a scapegoat, a group that has been targeted for whatever reason, and picked on until its no longer socially acceptable. Then a different group is targeted. Any ideas on why this is?

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3/25/13 5:12 P

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I think that even with as "evil" as some people would like to call the internet, it's actually a godsend in this regards. Education, knowledge, is power. And the internet has opened up all realms of society to everyone. Nothing can be "hush hush" anymore, thankfully.

I did not know any lesbians or gays growing up (I was born in '72), we snickered at those that were different too; my eldest daughter, on the other hand, knew several gays and lesbians in high school and knows several today that she proudly calls "friend".

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3/25/13 4:41 P

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I'm not a terribly religious person - but I do believe in a higher power - and that all people are worthy - unless they prove themselves to be otherwise.
I grew up in the 50-60's when homosexuality wasn't even whispered about. All through school and college - I never knew any gay people -- and I'm ashamed to admit my views on the topic were quite ignorant.....

In the early 70's - I went to work for a mega-bank in NYC-and 'certain' men were said to be 'homos' or 'queers'....I shudder at the words now. I was still ignorant......

And then I actually had a male assistant assigned to me who was gay = and he opened the entire world to me. I adored him - one of the brightest and loveliest young men I ever knew or will know. We became real friends..... As the 80's-90's passed - more and more gay people crossed my path - and just as I am with other races, nationalities, religions - I became blind to their differences and only see what we all have in common.

I live in an upscale part of NYC (wasn't when I moved in 23 years ago!!) --- and we have a good percentage of gay/lesbian people in my building. Most are in long-term relationships - one has a 9 year old son whom I consider my Godchild!!!
I know one young lesbian couple who expecting a child soon..... Around here, it's as natural as the sunrise.

Wouldn't it be lovely - if EVERYone thought the same way. As it is with all discrimination - we fear what we don't know - or understand. Human nature. In this country - it seems that the right thing is always done 'by degrees'. Damn frustrating,

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3/24/13 5:02 P

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It never ceases to amaze me how many people claim to be christians, yet carry hate in their hearts. Discrimination is wrong, period. Legalize it, already! It wasn't that long ago that people of different races couldn't marry. Our family is a mixed race family and I also have some gay family members that are in long term relationships with their partners. They want the same rights as everyone else. Now, people around here like to say "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve," well, I believe God created everyone and loves us all the same, and did he not also say, "love thy neighbor as you love thyself"? If it is wrong, it is not up to anyone here on earth to judge, it is between them and God. And I also agree that there are many other issues at hand that we should be focusing on, instead of trying to stand in the way of couples wishing to make a formal commitment to one another.

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3/24/13 10:57 A

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I absolutely agree. Since I have relatives and friends whom I care for very much that this impacts, it is personal as well.

We don't get to judge, but we do get to love and accept. I wonder sometimes, if God is testing those who choose to discriminate.



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3/24/13 8:47 A

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As the Supreme Court considers whether gay marriage is allowed/protected under the Constitution, I have been wondering when those of you who support it, like me, began to believe in it. For me, it was a gradual process, as I got to know people and realized they shared my desire to make a permanent commitment to another person. One of the women whose sons went to school with my children ended up leaving our church over this issue. Two friends of my cousin who lived in a large city attend a church that had been created for people who loved God, but weren't accepted by their churches. The whole issue for me is that God loves all of us, just as we are, not as someone believes we should be. What do you think?

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I wish there were an "applaud" emoticon!

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I heard Ian McClellan talking to Anderson Cooper about what his life was like in England when his relationship with his partner was illegal. It's so incredible to imagine the government having a reason to arrest you because of who you love. To me the issue is covered in the words to the Declaration of Independence: "that all people are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." AND I deliberately changed the word men to people!

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I am posting a link to an article about a gay Minnesota couple, Jack Baker and Micheal McConnell, who have been together since 1967. They attempted to marry in 1970 and were refused. They filed suit which reached the US Supreme Court which refused to hear the case in 1972....

"The high court in October 1972 declined to hear arguments in Baker v. Nelson, rejecting it in a one-sentence dismissal "for want of a substantial federal question."

Their wedding ceremony was performed by a Methodist pastor who still keeps in touch with the couple. They have stayed mostly out of the limelight, all of these years.The article goes on to say....

"In a strange twist to their story, Baker wrote via email that he and McConnell would be personally unaffected if Minnesota legalizes gay marriage. In 1971, about 18 months after Hennepin County rejected their application, the couple traveled to southern Minnesota's Blue Earth County, where they obtained a marriage license on which Baker was listed with an altered, gender-neutral name.

That license was later challenged in court but was never explicitly invalidated by a judge. While Baker recently predicted on his blog that gay marriage would be legalized in Minnesota soon, he emailed that he and McConnell don't see a need to make it official in Hennepin County."

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And for good reason.

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I am in California. It is very important to me that the Supreme Court goes on the right side of history.
My sister got married after 30 years with the person she loves, so this hits me where I live. In more ways than one.
I have been married more than 40 years. We got married after two years and two kids because of the tax benefits not because we thought that piece of paper mattered.
It seems to mean much more to my sister than it ever did to me.

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I don't believe Florida has legalized Gay Marriage. I'm not even sure it's come on the ballot yet. But being primarily a red state, I don't know if it'll get passed any time soon. It would be nice if the Federal Government would take a positive stance on it.

I don't necessarily believe that having a child out of wedlock is an issue in today's society - teen pregnancy, however, is a different story. If a grown woman wants to have a child and she's not married, why should the government tell her otherwise? And if you're a gay woman, who is not allowed to get married in this state - she shouldn't have a child? That's not right in my opinion.

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Do you think the Supreme Court will strike down the California ban on gay marriage or affirm it? Do you live in a state where it is legal? I read this morning where even Mary Matalin believes that the number of babies being born outside marriage is a bigger issue. Interesting, right?

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