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12/17/12 5:40 P

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I think I am going to try this again Brigit! I had given up but today I am only at 46 net and again feel fine (other than my cold I already had). Maybe things have changed back again for the good!

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12/16/12 6:12 P

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Great! Hope it keeps working for you. emoticon emoticon

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12/16/12 6:04 P

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Ok I am at 79 net today and feel fine. Maybe I will try and go down gradually and see how I do. Otherwise I am fine with making adaptations as I need to.

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12/16/12 1:05 A

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When I first started paleo. I spoke with my dr about having headaches and being tired. He told me it was a type of detox. The only thing that helped me personally was time.

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12/15/12 11:34 P

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Cindy,
at 150 grams/day you are just starting to get into the low-carb range. So far your body has likely not adapted to fat-burning at all. Mark Sisson explains the ranges well on his website. It could be that your body is getting just enough carbs to not have to burn fat and then when you drop below that your body is temporarily lacking glucose which it is used to burning. I suspect if you reduce carbs by only 5-10 grams/day that you won't have any symptoms. This may be fast enough to where you are fully transitioned to fat burning by the time your half-marathon comes around. It usually takes about 6 weeks to go as far as full fat-burning mode (ketosis) and down to 50 grams of carbs/day but even at 100 grams you may do better already. So much depends on the individual.
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CINDYTW Posts: 5,783
12/15/12 6:58 P

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Brigit I know all about the carb flu, mine is ongoing. Although I have not tried going down graduallyMaybe something to consider. I am only at about 150g normally so not too far to fall.

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12/15/12 5:31 P

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Cindy,
I only know that many people get the "carb-flu" when they switch to very low-carb suddenly. Doing it very gradually may work better.

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CINDYTW Posts: 5,783
12/15/12 5:21 P

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I have not had time to listen to it yet Brigit, I have no doubt it works for some. I am not sure why but when I try to go too low carb I feel like crap. I used to do fine on Atkins until I wrecked my system with whole grains and got diagnosed with Celiac disease.

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12/15/12 5:12 P

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I have switched away from eating carbs even before and after exercising because of insulin resistance. I find that except for races, where I will do a lot more running at higher heart rates that my body does much better without the carbs and in fat-burning (ketone-burning) mode. This is only working as long as my carbs are under 50 grams/day and my protein is under 80 grams/day with unlimited fat. For more info about the reasons look at my most recent blog link to Jimmy Moore's talk with Dr. Rosedale.
Birgit

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12/15/12 5:06 P

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I can say from my experience the book does really help with running. That is why I got it, and it has sections devoted for different lengths of time exercising. I am about to be re-reading it, I just signed up for a half marathon this spring and need to start training NOW!

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12/14/12 9:24 A

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Still not working out in cardio at 100% but I am getting better after almost three weeks. KOBO has "Paleo for Athletes" on sale today so I am thinking of getting that. Not that I am an athlete by any stretch but it really bugs me when I can't workout full-out so I hope that this book helps - if so, I may just try to take up running again which I stopped because of knee aches and pains but if Paleo helps with that then I wll give it another shot. My daughter does tri-athalons and has been bugging me for two years to join her on one. Who knows ? emoticon


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12/11/12 2:53 P

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JANAMP09...don't beat yourself up about it. This is a lifestyle... no quick fixes. Just try to be as "consistent" as you can be, note "why" you strayed and try to be more prepared in the future.

You are doing great... Keep up the good work... emoticon

PS:... Robb Wolf (The Paleo Solution) & Mark Sisson (Primal Blueprint) says as long as we eat Paleo/Primal 80 - 85% of the time we will be fine. Note how you feel and your progress... any negatives, adjust/tweak accordingly. emoticon

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12/10/12 11:42 A

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Start of week 3 and I seemed to be more focused at the gym today - tomorrow will be the big test though as that is my cardio day. Hopefully it is my adjusting to the diet rather then the fact that I had a bid of the forbidden carbs yesterday at a family Christmas gathering (stuffing and potatoes :( )


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12/7/12 11:39 A

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Thanks - found it there as well - really like to use the library for my books - oh well, guess I have to fork out if I want it. Thanks again for the info :)


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CINDYTW Posts: 5,783
12/7/12 8:59 A

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Its on Amazon, I got it for the Kindle app. on my phone. I didn't find it in a store either.

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12/7/12 7:58 A

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Thanks for referring the book - trying to find it but no luck so far

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CINDYTW Posts: 5,783
12/5/12 6:10 P

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I did not do well with low carb after being diagnosed with Celiac disease. Something changed, I had been fine on Atkins before that. I did read Paleo Diet for Athletes and used the tips in there to do higher intensity stuff like running.

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12/5/12 12:11 P

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Jazzid,
I will sometimes gain a little weight, too. I'm pretty sure it is not fat, though. I'll have my body fat tested again in a week and it will be interesting to see where I end up. My weight has been pretty stable for the last couple of weeks within one pound.

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Funny thing is though, when I tried to eat more fat and less carbs, I gained weight. I don't know what I was doing wrong, but I just decided to experiment and tweak here and there, and I finally found a great balance. I don't suffer any symptoms from carb overload other than my weight stalling; well, unless I lose my mind, like I did @ my jobs recent October fest, where I ate tons of sweets in one day. I experienced bloating emoticon , tummy ache and the next day, lack of energy, etc. So I really have to overdo it. I just stay away from sweets altogether... I use fruit and dark chocolate when I get a sweet tooth, unless it's a cheat day, and even then I limit myself.

I normally try to keep my carbs between 50 and 100; I try to stay on the lower end most days and cycle up a bit on the weekend when I have a cheat meal, or if I exercise more intensely.

Thanks for all the information I have much to learn and I love this forum where I can learn from others experiences! emoticon

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12/4/12 5:41 P

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Jazzid,
the symptoms you describe are often called carb flu and they tend to go away faster by eating more fat and getting enough salt. I'm glad the carb cycling works for you, but for me it would be pure torture, because every time I eat more carbs again then I would go through carb withdrawal again to get back into ketosis. I have to say that my blood values were still in the pre-diabetic range even on 80-100 grams of carbs/day so we all have to go with what our body dictates. My husband can eat over 150 grams of carbs and feel great.
Birgit

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Yes, my carbs have to be under 50 for a few days before I start feeling the symptoms. I will check out the links. Interesting topic. In the past I did confuse being in ketosis with ketoacidosis; although I knew that that latter was caused in someone with Type I diabetes like my son, I also thought that being in ketosis would cause harm in this way for those who don't even have diabetes. I am glad that I know better now, but as I mentioned, I don't like being in a steady state of ketosis, so I cycle my carbs/calories... So far, so good. It's good to know that if I hit a plateau being in ketosis on a more constant basis would probably help me lose those last few pounds! emoticon

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12/4/12 3:52 P

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Most people are going to be in ketosis if their carb intake goes under 50 grams/day for more than a day or two, but it can also take longer than that.
It is true that ketosis is not necessary to lose weight for many people, but for other people it helps once they get close to goal weight. The main thing to keep in mind is that nutrional ketosis and ketoacidosis are brought on by different conditions in the body.
Ketosticks work great for high levels of ketones and usually work fine to see if someone is in nutrional ketosis when first starting a low-carb diet like Atkins. After a little while they can become very inaccurate because there are different type of ketone bodies and urine strip tests only test for one type. There are also blood ketone meters that are more accurate and they work like (and are combined with) blood glucose meters. The test strips for those are more expensive, though.
Here is a link to a more detailed article on Ketosis (Part 1):

eatingacademy.com/nutrition/ketosis-
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vantaged-or-misunderstood-state-part-i


Another good info source about ketosis is Jimmy Moore's blog. He is experimenting with a ketosis diet and strength training and has lost a lot of body fat and increased muscle mass that way.

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12/4/12 1:31 P

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Hi JANAMP09: My son test for ketosis with ketostrips that you can buy from any drug store. I don't know if there is another way.

The strips that my son use are:

www.amazon.com/Ketostix-Reagent-Stri
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-100-Count-Box/dp/B0000532GH/ref=sr_R>1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354645857&sr=8-1&ke
yw
ords=ketostrips


... just an example so that you can see how they look. Walgreens carries a generic brand that is cheaper and just as good. I hope that helps.



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Thank you Houndlover1, the article is strictly about people transitioning into ketosis, not about ketoacidosis, which my son, who has TYPE I diabetes, would experience if his blood glucose were to get extremely high. And while being in ketosis may be a "desirable state", it can cause troubling side-effects that people need to understand, and each person is different. I just feel better offering as much information about a subject as possible, that way a person can decide for themselves. And keep in mind that living a paleo/primal lifestyle does not mean that you have to go into a ketogenic state in order to see results. Results vary.

It's great that it works well for you and many other, however, I don't like being in ketosis and find that I don't have to be in order to lose weight, at least not daily. Knowledge is power and it's great that everyone has different opinions. I will check out the link... Thanks!


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12/4/12 12:39 P

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Thanks for the quick responses - so I should be back to normal with in a couple of weeks if what I am reading is correct. How do I test to see if I am in ketosis

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Jazzid,
I don't have time at the moment to read the article you linked. Just want to say that there is a huge difference between ketosis, a very desirable state which increases fat burning and is 100% safe and ideal for workouts, with ketone levels between 1-5, and ketoacidosis, which only happens in uncontrolled diabetes with ketone levels at least 10 times that high. Only ketoacidosis is dangerous.
I have been in ketosis for many months now and that is what allows me to work out hard without the need to fuel with carbohydrate.
Take a look at this link for more details on the difference:
eatingacademy.com/nutrition/is-ketos
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12/4/12 12:10 P

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I found this article to be very helpful: http://breakingmuscle.com/nutrition/train-
man-eat-woman

The author highlights how different women will have different experiences working out while tweaking their eating style. While the focus of the article is on intermittent fasting, by comparing the experiences of several women, the reader can draw a conclusion about eating and working out: women don't respond the way men do. You may find that you can only achieve a certain level of fitness (or fatness) specific to your body. Listen to its signals and set your goals slowly to avoid long-term problems.

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Hi JANAMP09, sorry to hear that you are having this problem.

Do you think you may be in ketosis? If so, I found information on Livestrong.com re: Exercising in a ketogenic state:

When you restrict or eliminate carbohydrate consumption your body goes into ketosis. During ketosis, keto-acids build up in the blood. The kidneys eliminate keto-acids from the body. If keto-acids in the blood build up beyond the ability of the kidneys to eliminate the acid, fatigue, irregular heartbeat or dizziness may occur. Avoid exercise if you experience dizziness or irregular heartbeat while on a ketogenic diet. Both may represent serious conditions like dehydration or electrolyte imbalance.

Read more: www.livestrong.com/article/298386-is
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t-dangerous-to-exercise-while-on-a-kR>etogenic-diet/#ixzz2E6PKWTkH


Dizziness while exercising: www.livestrong.com/article/381699-di
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... I don't think it has anything to do with you not eating enough protein. There are probably a few things going on here:

- adapting to a new way of eating
- being in ketosis
- dehydration
- electrolyte imbalance (HOUNDLOVER1 gave you great advice for this)

Here is more information on "What to Drink for Proper Hydration During Exercise":
sportsmedicine.about.com/od/hydratio
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ndfluid/a/ProperHydration.htm


I hope this helps. I am sure other teammates will answer your query as well. Good luck and please keep us posted. ~ Dee emoticon

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You were most likely deficient in salt. Lower carb diets often require significantly more salt because your kidneys excrete it faster, especially during exercise. I need to get about 2 grams of additional salt each day since eating paleo-style, lower carb.
If you just started paleo your body may still transition, so ease up on the exercise for a week and then you should be fine. Don't increase the carbs or you will lose the benefits of teaching your body to burn fat.
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I have been working out for approx 3 - 4 years but just recently started eating Paleo (just over a week now. I alternate between 3 days of cardio classes a week and 2 of weights - next week 3 of weights - 2 cardio.

Last week by Friday I was feeling really tired but did the cardio class. This week, I was doing another cardio class on the Monday (Out of order I know but because of other commitments I had missed some gym day and wanted to get back on schedule this week) I found during the class I was getting very dizzy after any intense session - unusual for me. I had eaten a two egg omlet with veggies and ham and drank a green tea for breakfast (eaten between 7:30 and 8 workout was at 9:15). This was not an unusual breakfast for me even pre paleo so I just wondering if I should be upping my fruit for natural sugar and eat before the workout - although that seems counter-productive if I am trying to lose bodyfat. I don't track calorie but do eat plenty of meat, veggies and some fruit, bread and additional sugar and condiments such as ketchup have been eliminated from my diet. The night before I had approx a 10 oz steak, carrots and squash for dinner so I think getting enough protein and I am never hungry so I believe I am eating enough Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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