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12/10/12 3:59 P

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Thanks for the link. I have used both magnesium citrate and also magnesium glycinate. For me magnesium citrate seems to be better absorbed.
I have alos used magnesium oxide in the slow-mag form (available at Walmart) and in this way it seems to be absorbed much better than regular magnesium oxide.
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Thank you all for sharing your stories. I find supplements overwhelming to say the least, so when personal experiences are shared, it is very welcomed.

Although the basics of our bodies may work in the same fashion, there are millions of variables where each one of us are concerned...cultures, societies, genetics, etc.

I am a researcher at heart because of all the challenges I have faced and many doctors with no answers. Like I read before, I am the one who is most interested in finding my answers. Although, when I lived remote in AK, there was one internal medicine doc who scratched his head as much as I did and with my help in research, we were able to address a few of them correctly. His best feature was that he actually listened to me.

I don't find that so common here in my home state of TX though and although people may raise their eyebrows at changing docs, I do so in a minute if I don't feel they are listening to me and just push their prescriptions.

Since my WL surgery though, I rarely see one. Now I can focus on food, which was never mentioned by any doc as a possibility to my ailments.

Just the other day I was thinking about a multivitamin and mineral supplements, so I am so glad I found this post.

The magnesium puzzles me. There are so many different types and one doc recommends one type and another recommends another...so research continues. Maybe I am analyzing too much here...LOL.

Here is the link I found on the different types and their purpose:

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I'm so glad you found it worthwhile, Birgit! :)

For me it speaks to the core reasons of why I will eat this way for the rest of my life. I also really like that the article underscores chasing wellness... and that it puts supplementation in that context... that unless you heal the underlying metabolic systems, supplementation is, at best, a band-aid.

I truly look forward to the day when I may not need to ever supplement again because my body is finally functioning as it should (I was told to count on needing a month of healing for every year of compromised health/over-taxed adrenals)... hopefully about five years from now, LOL!

...Though I suspect that the vitamin D and SierraSil will always have to be a part of my regime.


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Ramona,
that is a great article. I will link it on my blog. Thanks for passing it on. emoticon

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12/7/12 12:30 P

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I thought anyone finding this thread would also find this article interesting to consider:

• How to prevent spending the last 10 years of your life in a diaper and a wheelchair
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ng-the-last-10-years-of-your-life-inR>-a-diaper-and-a-wheelchair


"Please don’t go out and buy a shopping bag full of these [supplements] and start taking them all. The key is to identify the underlying mechanism and address that. Is it gut inflammation? Is it micronutrient deficiency? Is it blood sugar dysregulation? You’ll make far more progress correcting those problems than you will taking a bunch of supplements." CHRIS KRESSER

While I would never discourage anyone from consulting with their doctor or any other medical/health professional (it's GOLD if you can forge a truly cooperative relationship with a doctor who will acknowledge that they don't necessarily know what to do for you, is open to learning right along with you and can admit that they can't possibly know everything there is to know, and is more interested in your experience/healing than they are in being the 'expert'), I also have to say that it's equally important to always do your own research and be your own best advocate/resource.

Conventional medicine and thinking have never been particularly helpful resources in my own experience (except to confirm I've truly not been well most of my life), and have almost aways contributed to further decline in my health (because they treat symptoms - not systems, and illness - rather than chase wellness)... how my body responds has always been the best indicator of what path to pursue.

This is why I find the Paleo path such a powerful/empowering one, and why I will always turn to experts in the field for information as my primary resource (many of whom ARE medical professionals sharing their knowledge FREELY as well as sharing the science that backs it all up)... and why I find the open sharing of information on the team threads so critical to my own well-being. I never share a resource lightly, and have made it my job (6 hours a day) this past year plus to read and research and double check everything I feel led to lay my hands on.

...And it is absolutely critical to proceed with caution when challenging conventional ideas (it's important to not throw the baby out with the bath water... something else I admire about the Paleo experts), and to learn to allow your own body to lead your process.

For some of us (more every day), true wellness and healing and success have only come from finding the courage to live beyond and outside conventional wisdom... no matter what countless doctors say.


Edited by: _RAMONA at: 12/7/2012 (12:33)

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12/5/12 6:16 P

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In my personal experience, I likeGarden of Life Raw One for Women. I also take Calm magnesium, D, B50, and astaxanthin. I take these for my own personal issues and yours may vary.

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12/4/12 6:41 P

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JazzID is right -- none of us are medical professionals (and if we were, we'd probably prefer to leave credentials at the door... this is a SOCIAL place in many intended and unintended respects, and what we write is based on personal experience and/or a good searching through literature -- which is NOT definitive. We can always unfortunately miss important citations!)

For me -- Vitamin D and the supplement magnesium seems most critical. Vitamin D because with our daily lives (unless you are in horticulture or some such) you won't get much sunshine. I do know someone who does work outdoors most days who has low vitamin D, so it is really good for your doctor to put that on the list of your tests.

Magnesium seems to help sleep profiles and may help in other ways. Again, use this info as a jumping off point, but PLEASE look for advice from a professional.

Got rid of the ticker cuz my scale decided to flatter me unduly. I haven't re-gained, just got a better, honest, scale.

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12/2/12 7:21 P

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Yes,
for me Vitamin D and magnesium as well as proper hydration were key to fixing leg cramps. I also needed to add more salt and potassium since I'm on a low-carb diet.
Birgit

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Houndlover1... A few months ago, I was getting severe leg/calf/ankle/foot and back of the thigh cramps. My doctor suggested that I may have a mineral deficiency, i.e., Magnesium, but instead of a blood test, she ordered a Doppler Ultrasound Exam for my leg to rule out a circulatory or a more serious cardiovascular problem. Thankfully results came back negative for a serious problem, but that still didn't solve why I was getting the leg cramps. My doctor never ordered a blood test, but advised me to do the following: stay hydrated, continue to take Citracal (Calcium Citrate + D3)because I am taking Arimidex which can cause osteoporosis; continue to walk and exercise & eat lots of green leafy veggies. So far, since I have made an effort to improve on these things, I have not had any cramps at all.



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Great suggestions all around! Maybe a multi would be the way to start when eating healthy foods is not immediately possible. Most doctors can test for vitamin deficiencies but many won't because it's a lot of work for little money. Find someone who will, in particular those that are linked to health problems you have. Doing our research is best. emoticon

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Please note too, that none of us are experts on this topic. We are giving you advice based on our own experiences and what we have researched, however, supplementing is not to be taken lightly and can even be dangerous. As mentioned, supplementing naturally through the foods you eat would be the ideal way to go. That being said, I highly recommend that you use the links provided to you by Ramona, but do speak with a health professional if you feel uncomfortable about any information researched or advice given here.

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I agree that the best way to meet all of your nutritional needs (vitamins in particular) is through whole foods... and if the fat content in your diet isn't high enough, you still won't absorb the nutrients in your food, or those which a multivitamin may provide.

Having said that and the quality of our food being what it is, supplementing isn't a bad idea. Though, rather than taking a multivitamin (not the most effective), it is better to figure out where your your nutritional needs may be falling short, and supplement accordingly.

Here are some resources (in conjunction with your own research... always do your own research and talk to your doctor... though conventional medicine and thinking have never been particularly helpful resources in my experience... how my body responds has always been the best indicator of what path to pursue) which might help you discern what would be best for YOU! :)

• Throw away your multivitamins and antioxidants!
chriskresser.com/throw-away-your-mul
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• 9 Steps to Perfect Health – #4: Supplement Wisely
chriskresser.com/9-steps-to-perfect-
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• Mulling Multivitamins
www.marksdailyapple.com/choosing-bes
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• Grok Didn’t Take Supplements So Why Should I?
www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-g
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de-to-primal-supplementation/#axzz2DR>vqrHoBT


• 5 Common Nutrient Deficiencies (and What to Do About Them
www.marksdailyapple.com/5-common-nut
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ent-deficiencies-and-what-to-do-abouR>t-them/#axzz2DvrD8e8C


• 2 More Common Nutrient Deficiencies (and What to Do About Them) www.marksdailyapple.com/2-more-commo
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nutrient-deficiencies-and-what-to-doR>-about-them/#axzz2DvrD8e8C


• Vitamin D: Sun Exposure, Supplementation and Doses
www.marksdailyapple.com/vitamin-d-su
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exposure-supplementation-and-doses/#R>axzz2DvrmaC00


• SNAKE OIL? Scientific evidence for popular health supplements
www.informationisbeautiful.net/play/
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ake-oil-supplements/


• How to prevent spending the last 10 years of your life in a diaper and a wheelchair
chriskresser.com/how-to-prevent-spen
di
ng-the-last-10-years-of-your-life-inR>-a-diaper-and-a-wheelchair

"Please don’t go out and buy a shopping bag full of these [supplements] and start taking them all. The key is to identify the underlying mechanism and address that. Is it gut inflammation? Is it micronutrient deficiency? Is it blood sugar dysregulation? You’ll make far more progress correcting those problems than you will taking a bunch of supplements."

• Primal Supplements
primalblueprint.com/categories/Store
/S
upplements/


In our house, for the last six months, everyone takes vitamin D in therapeutic doses (has changed SO MUCH for all of us for the better... no more anxiety/depression issues, better sleep quality, no more headaches, better energy levels, and no SAD this year!), vitamin C, fish and cod liver oil, probiotics and digestive enzymes to promote gut healing, magnesium, and I take a liver health compound and an anti-inflamatory mineral supplement that has changed my life... it appears most of my life I've been mineral defficient (my liver doesn't seem to metabolize 'normally' and my compromised gut health has left me seriously defficient in most trace minerals). Check it out if you like:

www.sierrasil.com/

As my health (and gut efficiency) improves, I will continually evaluate my needs!

Good luck!


Edited by: _RAMONA at: 12/7/2012 (12:31)

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I agree totally with Houndlover1, however, if you are not able to get these nutrients a good multi-vitamin is the way to go. I am working with my nutritionist who is on board with the Paleo/Primal lifestyle, but advised that on my lower calorie days, and days when my appetite just may not be what it should be and I am not getting all the nutrients I need from foods eaten, that I should take a multi-vitamin.

If necessary, check with your physician or nutritionist for advice. Good luck!

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Just keep in mind that almost all your vitamins should come from real food because a lot of what is in pills will not be properly absorbed by your body. It is only in combination with other nutrients, the way they occur in natural foods that vitamins are absorbed. This is true of both water-soluble and fat-soluble vitamins. Eating large amounts of veggies along with meat will help a lot. I shoot for 4 cups/day minimum plus some fruit.
Birgit


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Under 50 years old: www.puritan.com/gluten-free-660/wome
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50+: www.puritan.com/supplements-for-wome
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... OR: Equaline (... found at Jewel-Osco stores): www.directionsforme.org/index.php/di
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Can anyone suggest a good over the counter gluten free vitamin for me?

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