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10/7/12 4:04 P

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Hey, Carolyn! You are really well-read it seems, so this has to be solveable!

Ways to get more fat in your diet:
* drizzle my avocado with olive oil and a splash of lime juice
* coconut or avocado 'cheesecake' (marscapone is so lovely... or camembert... I sweeten with minimal raw honey... I'm still looking for coconut nectar) with a nut crust
* crusting fish with nuts, and frying in butter
* fatty fish... salmon, sardines, sable, shrimp... and these make wonderful 'pates' with mayo, cream cheese, and herbs
* I fry all of our meat/fish now (in butter or bacon drippings) and make simple gravies with the brownings (thickened with tapioca starch) so we don't waste any of the fat
* nut butters (love almond, pumpkin seed or cashew... I've found a Canadian brand in the healthy lifestyle isle of Superstore) on crunchy veggies (or eat it with a spoon... or your fingers, lol)
* olives
* goat cheese topped with a tapenade of olives, olive oil, garlic, herbs, salt and pepper, and a splash of balsamic vinegar... spread on cucumber rounds, celery, or peppers (or eat it with a spoon... or your fingers, lol)
* pate, liver and liver sausage... spread on cucumber rounds, celery, or peppers (or eat it with a spoon... or your fingers, lol)

Here's a thread on the subject:
www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/team_mes
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...and you might want to serioulsy consider Sarah's suggestion of the FODMAP diet if Whole30 doesn't address things for you... I'd try other stuff first as it's less restrictive.

...honestly (I'm going by your pictures here), as 'women of a certain age' I find that all sorts of things suddenly don't work as they used to... and the core issue for me really is hormones... my body is not even remotely graceful in it's adjustment. This Paleo/Primal journey hasn't been mine-field free for me, and I've had to do a lot of tweaking and problem solving to get the results others seem to achieve easily, but going back to a SAD/CW diet is simply not an option... having issues on this nutritional plan is still 100% better than eating any other way!

A book you may really appreciate at this point is 'Primal Body, Primal Mind' by Nora Gedgaudas... it's Paleo with a woman's hormonal make-up fully conisdered... it's really helped me understand and trouble-shoot the weirdness I encounter as my body responds and adapts to the nutritional change.

www.amazon.ca/Primal-Body-Mind-Nora-
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dgaudas/dp/1594774137/ref=sr_1_1?s=bR>ooks&ie=UTF8&qid=1349640049&sr=1-1


Don't give up! I have a TON of resources detailed in the photo gallery section of my page. Just click on any picture and there will be links in the comments section.... And if I can help in any other way, just holler!

Edited by: _RAMONA at: 10/7/2012 (16:05)

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10/7/12 8:12 A

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Something you may consider is coconut. Not suggesting they are not beneficial, as I cook with coconut oil and occasionally use the milk in my coffee, but as soon as I drink coconut water, even straight from the nut, I get problems much like the ones you mentioned. Not sure why this is, other than I tend to go overboard when I like something and have lots of it in crazy amounts. Coconut seems to go right through me. Shame because I love coconut water. :(


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I'm surprised that no ones mentioned this yet, but you could have a certain sugar intolerance to some of the veggies that build up over time (in this case, a month). A low FODMAP diet is the key for those of us with IBS, in my case, when I did the elimination phases, I discovered that I dont tolerate fructans (garlic, onions, wheat and obviously, fructose). Once I discovered what my threshold was, I was able to enjoy eating these things again without the big D.

I know I can tolerate garlic, but if you add onion to the equation, WATCH OUT and sometimes I can't tolerate polyols (mushrooms) without it bothering me.

Some folks think that nuts are part of the problem for diarrhea too as they contain certain sugars, but more info is needed on this (australian doctors are testing nuts to see what FODMAP sugar they contain).

Check out IBS; Free At Last by Patsy Catsos
www.amazon.com/IBS-Free-Last-Revolut
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Maybe it can help.

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10/6/12 11:31 P

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one way to add some fat into your diet is to use coconut butter, (sometimes called coconut cream concentrate, by tropical traditions). I use it to thicken soups and sauces, and the coconut fiber in the cream helps me with the diarrhea as well. sometimes I just eat it with a spoon. I am allergic to dairy, so I use this in place of many previous ways I used heavy cream, milk, and cheese.

Nuts and nut butters are also great for snacking as well as sauces to add fat and stool firming fiber into the diet.

I have been where you're at, and I sure hope you find your middle ground. I had tk make it work because I have diabetes so I kept watching and trying different things til I found what worked. Metamucil and other commercial fibers just made that problem worse for me.

Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all they ways, acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 3:5-6


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10/6/12 5:02 P

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Thank you for all the information.

I have been a Mark Sisson fan for years and have his Primal Blueprint. My latest read was "The Smarter Science of Slim" by Jonathan Bailor who did a few guest columns on MDA. Gary Taubes kind of fell in the middle. I also listen to Sean Croxton's webinars. He strains my brain, but I also subscribe to Jack Kruse's web site. So, yes, a lot of what you post makes sense.

I drink because I am thirsty. Despite trying to compromise, my husband keeps the house much warmer than is comfortable. I also do a lot of teaching people how to train their dogs, plus a lot of training of my own dogs. Guess I talk too much and drink as a result emoticon Or, maybe something else is going on. I was tested for diabetes last year because it does run in my family. Maybe I need another check up.

Your comments on fat are very interesting. I am eating much less fat now that I don't slather butter on bread. I do add coconut oil to my smoothies - but perhaps not enough and I don't drink them every day. Anything fried is done in coconut oil What else should I do to increase my consumption of fat?

All of the women's articles are new to me. Thanks very much for them. The Whole30 Program is also new and I am reading about the program now.

The posting about sensitivities to new or increased quantities of some foods also strikes a chord.I now eat some rarely eaten veggies much more frequently and all veggies in larger quantities. I am also eating less fruit than I used to do.

The comment about probiotics is kind of funny. My dogs get them regularly (human grade), but I've only taken them after a round of antibiotics. I will start adding them to my diet.

I appreciate your help very much! I would like this to be the way I eat forever. But I can't keep doing this if I'm afraid to sneeze or cough or bend over or be more than a few feet away from a toilet. (Sorry if that is TMI!)


Edited by: NORWOODGIRL at: 10/6/2012 (17:36)
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10/6/12 2:32 P

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From what you've just shared, I'd say that perhaps you could be taking in too much fluid, and you're basically rinsing yourself out, or that the balance of fluid to minerals (disturbing your electrolytes) is off. Are you really that thirsty, or are pushing fluid for some other reason? Check out these articles:

Drink Less Water?
www.marksdailyapple.com/8-glasses-of
-w
ater-a-day/#axzz28XmrjSSR


Need for 8 glasses of water a myth: nutrition experts
www.cbc.ca/news/story/2003/03/14/wat
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Why You Should Eat Leafy Greens
www.marksdailyapple.com/why-you-shou
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If you're trying to manage hunger with fluid, I'd suggest that you focus more on becoming more fat adapted... honestly, for a true Paleo diet, I think you're way low on fat. It's a common mistake people make, and it is the biggest cause for people not being able to maintain the lifestyle.

Here are some articles on fat adaptation:

What Does It Mean to Be Fat-Adapted?
www.marksdailyapple.com/what-does-it
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ean-to-be-fat-adapted/#axzz22H0HXngl


What Does It Mean to Be Fat-Adapted? – Part 2: Q&A
www.marksdailyapple.com/what-does-it
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ean-to-be-fat-adapted-part-2-qa/#ixzR>z22KB3rF5T


Metabolism and Ketosis
www.proteinpower.com/drmike/ketones-
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d-ketosis/metabolism-and-ketosis/

This article explains really well why/how healthy fat makes the transition to Paleo so much easier... and how coconut oil is a unique fat.

Guest Post by Modern Forager: The Tropical Oils
www.marksdailyapple.com/guest-post-b
y-
modern-forager-the-tropical-oils/#axR>zz24rEOr04v




This explains things really well, too:

A Plea to Please Read Dietary Books Before Jumping In
www.sparkpeople.com/mypage_public_jo
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...And while I'm at it, some links that might help you discern for yourself if any of this makes any sense in your own situation:

The Physiology of Women’s Weight Loss
From: Paleo for Women

• Part I: Estrogen
www.paleoforwomen.com/the-physiology
-o
f-womens-weight-loss-part-i-estrogen/


• Part II: Appetite and Weight Regulation
www.paleoforwomen.com/the-physiology
-o
f-womens-weight-loss-part-ii-appetitR>e-and-weight-regulation/


• Women, Weight Loss, and Modern America: A World in Need of Revolution
www.paleoforwomen.com/women-weight-l
os
s-and-modern-america-a-world-in-needR>-of-an-evolution-revolution/


• The Healthiest, Happiest, Easiest Weight Loss in the World
www.paleoforwomen.com/the-healthiest
-h
appiest-easiest-way-to-lose-weight/




You haven't said whether or not any of this makes some sense to you....



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CW = conventional wisdom like the pyramid or plate or Canada's food guide
My diet is very simple:
My first meal is usually a couple of eggs with 2-3 servings of vegetables and 1 of fruit. I often don't have a middle of the day meal. When I do, it is a home-made meat/veggie soup or a protein smoothie I make from Dr, Mercola's whey protein powder with chia seeds. Dinner is meat, fish, or poultry with vegetables. I drink a ton of water and lots of tea -either green black. If I have a snack it is nuts or fruit.
I never knowingly eat/drink artificial sweeteners or pre-processed products like Atkins (except for the protein powder).
It is basically my "before" diet with the grains, potatoes, and junk food removed. I was a Pepsi/ ice cream addict. The "after" also has some portion control simply because I don't feel as hungry when I eat this way.

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I agree with the other two posters... really hard to say without knowing specifically what you are eating. Generally, all of these sorts of problems go away with a Primal/Paleo way of eating.

My first suggestion would be that you follow a 'canned' Paleo program for a month - whole 30 is really good as it eliminates all typical irritants - and see if you still experience problems.

whole9life.com/2012/08/the-whole30-p
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If not, I'd say that you are sensitive to something atypical (or have unwittingly been eating something that is counter to a Paleo diet), and as you add food back in via whole 30 protocol, you'll discover the culprit... some people have found that their triggers are things like potatoes (nightshade), or too much fruit (fructose can be very hard on the gut), or some other element that they previously ate very little of but now have added in, or if your diet isn't whole, clean food, you could be ingesting an additive that is irritating to you. I've found that while I LOVE tomatoes and have eaten them all of my life with seemingly no problem, I now have to be careful with them.

Also, in the meantime, consider adding probiotics into your diet. People get gung ho with the diet change, but often forget that for gut health to improve, it often needs some support to heal. We take a large dose of probiotics with every meal, and we also used digestive enzymes initially to help re-establish a healthy gut flora/balance. And instead of Metamucil (which can actually make things worse), try a tablespoon of Chia seeds in a 1/2 cup of water before each meal... stir the seeds in and let them sit for 20 minutes or so before ingesting, or sprinkle them on your veggies.

Every 'body' is an experiment of 1... even Paleo will not be the complete answer for everyone. I don't believe that going back to a SAD diet is the answer ever, but tweaking is always necessary. Also, the hormonal/liver/gut healing process can take time and things can seem worse before they get better.

Keep us posted, and holler if you need more help!


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I too am wondering what it is you're eating that could be causing this. I had a similar experience when I did Atkins, and was eating Atkins products sweetened with sugar alcohols, which are well known to affect gut function. So if you're eating anything sweetened with xylitol (or anything else ending in -ol), cutting them out might help.

Do you log your food here and do you share the logs? A review of those by one of the nutritionists at SP might help answer your question. (Though they tend to be a bit CW-biased anyway, so they might tell you that the diarrhea is a sign that you need to eat "healthy whole grains" again.) Or someone here in the community might have some insight.

Good luck!

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what is CW eating? and what are you eating when you first start trying this? what are you trying to work up to that causes the diarrhea?

When I'm eating mostly eggs, meat and fat, I can have trouble with constipation AND diarrhea, but If I add a salad it evens out.

That's why I think a better understanding of the changes in your diet that are affecting you this way might offer clues to what you need to do.

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Perhaps my problem was covered in the postings about fiber. If so, people spoke so delicately that I missed something. Apologies, in advance.

This will be the third time I've tried low carb, working into a more paleo diet. Each time has started wonderfully. I ate great, felt great. Then about a month in the diarhhea starts and doesn't stop until I return to CW eating. If it weren't such a problem I'd laugh because constipation is my normal state. I tried taking Metamucil (for the constipation) but it made me feel sick.

Any suggestions before I give up - again?

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