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10/3/12 10:04 A

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Thanks for the response everyone.

To clarify, I have a beer or glass of wine once or twice a week and as for the potatoes, they're about once a week and the m&ms, once a month (due to female hormones), so I dont think I'm really 'overdoing it' with those items. I used to eat WAY more than that before doing paleo (talking about carbs here), but again, I was working out almost daily.

I have been tracking my eats, usually in a handwritten style because it takes too long to log each food on SP with my computer. I notice I dont eat enough fat still, which is likely why Im consuming so much dairy (to make up for it). I follow almost an atkins like approach to eating this when it comes to getting fat (adding cream to coffee, eating hard cheeses), as opposed to adding more avocado or coconut oil.

I can not stand coconut, so eating the butter, consuming the milk or eating shredded is out of the question (this is why I can't stand Thai food as most of it has coconut in it). Thats part of the reason why I can't get enough fats on the paleo, as it seems most folks here eat a lot of coconut.

A reason I'm thinking is since I haven't been lifting heavy for almost a year, I possibly lost my muscle mass, therefore, I'm not buring as many cals at rest anymore (since we all know muscle burns fat at rest!). I should likely get my butt in gear and start lifing again and see if that helps.

Oh, I will also add, that I have fructose intolerance, so a lot of things like sweet potatos, coconuts and raisins are out of the question (if I were to eat these things, the classic IBS symptoms occur). If I eat white potatoes, its a very small one (about 1.5 inches long) and I consider it a treat (who doesnt want a potato to go with that delicious steak???) since white potatos are one of the few veggies I can eat that doesn't cause issues.

Part of the reason that I liked this diet is that I don't digest carbs well at all (except those potatos!), and a low-carb diet is just fine with me.

To edit, I realize that in my last post, I DID say I have 3-4 alcoholic drinks. When I look back at my food journal, it isn't that much, it really is around the 1-2 mark. Beer makes me bloat so I dont drink it often, which leaves me to a bottle of wine; 2 small glasses during the week for me, 1 for the bf and thats IF I purchase it (I'm too cheap to buy my own booze).

Edited by: UGOOGLY at: 10/3/2012 (18:27)
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10/1/12 2:53 P

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I know it may seem counter-intuitive, but Paul brought up a good point at the end of his post. Make sure you are eating enough calories when you eat Paleo. If you're not eating enough, your body will build fat stores to compensate.

Also, exercise is something different for everyone. Backing way off may not have been a good thing for your body type and chemistry. I find I have plenty of energy eating Paleo to continue doing the high energy the things I enjoy, like floor hockey and cycling.

Changing everything all at once may have confused your body into thinking you're sort of hibernating. Less exercise coupled with depleting your calories may cause your body to hang on to some fat stores. Just something to think about in addition to the other advice given here on the boards.

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10/1/12 11:00 A

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When I was reading your original post, I was curious as to if you enjoyed the exercise? If you liked doing the HIIT as frequently as you did without joint pain, I would keep it up because it sounds like it helped you reach your goal. If you are worried about chronic cardio, mix up HIIT days and consider them sprint days because you alternate rest with exertion. Add some steady walking or maybe yoga for "moving frequently at a slow pace" like Mark Sisson talks about to keep from over-training.

Also, I assume you are logging your food regularly, but you mention m&m's, fries, wine, and beer. I think everyone deserves a treat, but do you think you are treating yourself too much? How about finding a more Paleo-appropriate treat, like very dark chocolate instead of m&m's, maybe with some raisins and almonds for chew and crunch. Also, try root veggie fries instead of (I am assuming white potato) home fries. Finally, for the beer if you really want one, try a sorghum beer, which is gluten-free. If it's the fizz of beer your like, try a wine spritzer with carbonated water and dry white or red wine.

Also, try virgin coconut oil to get your fat up instead of dairy. Could you possibly be dairy-sensitive without overt symptoms? I would suggest trying a Whole 30, which really helped me.

http://whole9life.com/2011/06/whole-30-v
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9/30/12 4:06 P

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For some, it takes a while to get things dialed in. From the sample you provided, I think you have the concept down but here are a few suggestions:

You mentioned an occasional beer. Is that gluten free? Maybe cut back on the alcohol to see what impact that has.

The candies or anything else with sweetener can do you in. Part of the concept behind Paleo is avoiding the insulin spiking that can lead to resistance. I think you mentioned home fries too? Starchy, carb-filled + fat isn't a good combo. Here's a great book if you're into reading this kind of stuff: http://amzn.com/0307474259

Try cutting back on the dairy for a bit.

Finally, make sure you get plenty of "good" fats; olive oil, nuts, avocado etc.

See how things go for a while, then start adding some stuff back in; maybe hard cheese a few times a week, an occasional glass of wine, etc. When you see a gain, bingo, you'll find the culprit. Everyone's body is different and you just need to keep experimenting until you find the Paleo combo that works best for you. When I went Paleo 3 years ago, I dropped to 7% body fat in a few weeks. My wife took a little longer to get to her sweet spot. For her, she found she wasn't eating enough.

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9/30/12 3:44 P

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Houndlover1, on average, I consume around 40 carbs a day, some days 15, others 100 (I'm a sucker for peanut m&ms and homemade home fries). I've been eating more cheeses and creams to up my fat so I stay fuller longer, and the coffee creamer does contain carbs. My meat intake is at all meals, usually the typical 4 oz give or take.

Breakfast is usually eggs (omelets, over easy etc), sometimes with bacon OR it will be leftover dinners meat (a porkchop, drumsticks etc)

Lunch is a huge garden salad, about 4 cups chopped with either a can of fish or ground beef/venison and then sweet bell peppers added, sometimes a wee bit of pumpkin seeds, but always with 1tbsp of olive oil.

Dinner is some sort of meat and a green veggie (kale, brocoli etc)

If I'm hungry between meals, I have a pepperette, some veggies or some berries.

I have maybe one beer or glass of wine a night, usually only 3-4 times a week.

The beer is lowish carb (coors light or something). I'm consuming anywhere from 1300 cals a day to 3000, depending on how fatty my meat was.

Edited by: UGOOGLY at: 9/30/2012 (15:45)
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9/30/12 2:43 P

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Thank you both for sharing your struggles. I think problem solving these types of situations is absolutely critical for larger percentages of the populations to take a paleo/low-carb approach seriously as an effective and safe way to lose weight, gain strength and gain health. I have found a lot of additional ideas on Jimmy Moore's blog La Vida Low Carb that address some of these issues.
There may be issues of thyroid imbalance, even in the absence of other symptoms, that may respond to eating low-carb in the long run. I just had an improvement in my TSH levels after eating low-carb for 7 months. There may also be significant fine-tuning of protein levels that can help, depending on lean body mass. I realized that my protein intake may have been too high at 80-100 grams/day for days with little exercise given my relatively low lean muscle mass for my weight.
And then there is the hidden carbs that we all discover on occasion...
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9/30/12 2:00 P

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You're not alone. I went gluten free last summer then Paleo in the fall. I was overweight to begin with and now have another 20lbs or so added. Chronic cardio was my thing, running five days a week then walking for 1-2 hours daily.

I eat modest portions of food and no junk. A couple of months ago, some lab tests showed that I have sensitivities to pretty much all carbs besides fruit and veg so I'm close to a Whole 30 type plan now.

All exercise is currently on hold because I have a cast on my leg and am confined to bed or wheelchair. But that's a temporary thing.

Hoping that the weight will come off eventually.

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9/30/12 1:39 P

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It is hard to know what is going on without knowing how much and what you are eating. Could you post a typical day and also how much you are working out?
I know that if my carbs to over 80-100 grams or my calories go over 3000 I can end up gaining with very little exercise.
You may want to do more low-impact exercise like walking/easy jogging (keep heart rate under 75% of max.).
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I've been doing paleo for 3 months now and I've actully gained 5 lbs. Not too much in my diet has changed other than removal of grains and adding more fat. I wouldn't care so much if the 5 lbs didn't effect my dress size, but it is. All my pants that I bought after I lost all me weight are giving me a muffin top now :(

Is this my body telling me that I'm supposed to be this weight? I will admit, to lose the weight I was working out 5x a week, doing either HIIT or heavy lifting. I was VERY active, but after reading Primal Blueprint, I cut back significantly on my work outs since I was apparently over doing it.

Has anyone else gained unwanted weight while doing paleo? If so, were you able to tweak your diet to lose again? I'm not fat by any means, its just that I worked so hard to reach my goal weight.

TIA

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