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6/28/12 2:33 P

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Just a counterpoint that I'd like to share...

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6/28/12 12:49 P

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+1 on all the stuff Ivory and Egalitaire said!

The problem is, when you are brand new to looking at this way of eating, which is totally opposite of the mainstream information we grew up with being pounded into us, it's really hard to be discerning of what's good information and what's just a crock. Besides just came across this quote which totally fits: "we’ve been told what’s wrong to eat is right for so long that when we hear what’s right to eat it sounds wrong."

Most important thing is to take articles like this in stride, don't panic, and move towards being as healthy as you can be, even if that means not following the wide conventional path that's full of pitfalls and funded by big pharma money... (ooh, did I type that outloud?! :)

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6/28/12 9:00 A

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One more thing - even if we did believe in these studies - the one referenced in the article is not really anything like a Paleo/Primal diet. They are studying low-carb, high-protein (even those descriptions can be misleading - how low, how high), whereas most Paleo/primal plans are lower-carbs, moderate protein and higher fat.

Just sayin

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6/28/12 8:13 A

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Hi agree with Ladyrose - there is research out there that supports just about any position you want - however, some of the research is better than others. The longitudinal studies that are also observational (vs clinical) are rife with confounders and open to all kinds of interpretations.

The only studies worth considering from a science perspective are clinical studies that control all the variables. But there are two problems with those studies - they are way too expensive and by controlling all the variables except one, they leave out the possibility that our bodies are very complex and diverse.

If you are looking for a review of some of the science go here:

http://rawfoodsos.com/

Denise Meninger does a great job of putting all the science in perspective, while being humourous and easily accessible.

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So, I'm reading the study, and I noticed something: they only took diet information once, at the start of the study. This whole thing is based on what these women ate for a year 15 years ago. There's no follow-up on diet and no asking questions about diet history prior to that. Therefore, I'm not sure what they were testing at all, because there's nothing useful in there. The authors themselves say "The long interval between exposure and outcome is a source of concern, because certain participants may change their dietary habits during the intervening period"

There's also no correlations with fat, only protein, so apparently fat doesn't kill you. They never even took the participants cholesterol levels. Also, there was no difference between animal protein and plant protein, so the vegetarians don't have a leg up here either.

This study shows nothing useful to help anyone's position, I'm kind of amazed it was published, and never trust a news source without reading the primary source.

Just some notes from your local phd in biology.

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This is just my experience with it.....

at 45 I had a heart attack but didn't know it until I went for testing for a carpal tunnel surgery and they told me I had to have a cardio approval. Yes, I'd had one. Put on statins I would literally be in tears at night from back pain.

Looking into this diet and getting my naturopathic doc telling me to go for it I did. I also belly dance. A few months ago I had to go to the hosp....they asked me WHY did I say I had a heart attack on my med history sheet. I told them because I did...she redid the bloodwork and got my cardio on the phone. Afterwards she told me she couldn't believe it when I said it because my cholesterol numbers and triglycerides were great. Asked me what my diet was. I told her and added that the statins had gone in the trash about 6 months after starting them. She just sort of swallowed hard and said, "well, whatever works for you."

My cardio at the first follow up visit had a similar response...walking in she stated how well I must be following my diet and that the crestor was working great....just keep doing whatever it was I was doing and see her in a year. I chuckled. She asked why so I told her paleo...NO statins. She blanched and found a reason to escape. As I left the office staff told me I didn't need to come back....and may want to find another cardio. I told them I didn't think I needed to ever do so again and happily left.

Don't believe everything you read when it comes to diet. Find what works for you. And I'm betting it's not lowfat/high carb.

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6/27/12 3:00 P

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Gotta love those well meaning friends. LOL! But look it you reaping benefits from your changes!! YAY!!!

Basically if people hear you're doing something other than low fat, lean meats, whole grains and lots of exercise, they don't know how to act.

Instead of saying it's a "named" eating plan, just say you're moving towards eating real, whole food that's nutrient dense and minimally processed... Just happens that it's following an evolutionary dietary model of meat, veggies, some fruit, some nuts & seeds... bread/grains have to be processed to be made edible so they fall low on the food priority list. :)

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6/27/12 2:54 P

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I was just kinda curious a friend sent this to me saying she thought about me when she saw it. I find that most people think thati am crazy for what i am trying to do. I can say though that since i have been trying to be paleo. (Not 100% i have had a few falls) but with what i have been able to do i have some how managed to go down a size in my clothes. So someting is working :)

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6/27/12 2:24 P

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This article doesn't have enough info for their claims. It doesn't address the omega 3-6-9 ratios or the polyunsaturated/monounsaturated ratio of the protein they are referring too. They aren't addressing the source of the animal protein either, such as, grassfed vs grainfed or the amount of fish consumed. There are some great articles that address this issue at Mark's Daily Apple.

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This article closes with this little gem: ". But it does give evidence that for the majority of humans, a balanced diet low in sugar and saturated fat and high in fruit, vegetables, nuts, and whole grains and moderate amounts of lean protein is -- when combined with regular exercise -- the best prescription for health."

That alone tells me this is writen by someone who is firmly toeing the conventional wisdom, whole grain, low fat line.

2 things to keep in mind:

1) you can find a ton of articles that support or refute ANY position on anything. The intranets abound with contrary or confirming information. Basically, if you're looking for a reason to not do something, you'll find it... If you're looking for something to make you feel secure in your decsions, you'll find that too, depending on where you look.... and it's always good to arm yourself with responses in defence of your chosen way of eating (this is a good one www.marksdailyapple.com/high-
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2) No one ever said that making a switch to a paleo or primal model has to be low carb/high fat! Ever. It's about making smart choices when it comes to the form your carbs take, and about chosing truly healthy fat over substandard, usually rancid, industrial fats. What is a healthy fat? Basically anything that you don't have to work at making it edible... Things like lard, butter, tallow... awesome sources of naturally occuring fat. Canola? Genetically modified poisonous plant made to be edible and mass produced. Hmmm...

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6/27/12 1:47 P

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Just wondering what people might think of this article. Being new to this lifestyle and everything that we are told i have to admit i do wonder

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/low-carbohy
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iovascular-disease/story?id=16655359

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