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The first two weeks were the hardest. I took lunch to work everyday and planned out everything. I took lots of snacks. I ate whenever I was hungry. I have problems with low blood sugar, so I tried to have protein whenever I ate. I found that helped with the cravings alot. So breakfast was eggs scrambled with some veggies. Snacks - celery & peanut butter, apples & peanut butter, pistachios, almonds & some dark chocolate chips, celery/mushrooms/cucumber & liver sausage (don't knock it til you try it. Yum!)

I found the less sugars/carbs I ate; the less I craved them. If I got a really bad sweet tooth craving I ate a couple of dates, banana chips, dried apricots, dark chocolate and some type of nuts. I stashed nuts in my desk at work so if I ate all my snacks I had something else to eat. My snacks were very small portions but it helped that I ate whenever I was hungry, just a couple of bites. I drank lots of herbal tea or water. I never felt like I was starving.

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RisenPhoenix-Nobody should criticize you if it worked for you!!!! Congrats on your success!

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So how I went about Paleo was a little different and I have already gotten some slightly negative feedback about it on here, but I will share it with you anyway. I did the zone diet with it- which is actually a real thing, it is called Zoleo, this kept my meal portions under control, let me know how much I needed to eat, helped me calculate how much protein, carbs (fruits/veggies), and fat I needed at eat of my 5-6 mini meals and I was stuffed all day! I eat between 1600 and 2000 calories a day and some days I find it hard to hit that as I am so stuffed! I was 100% the whole time even though my crossfit box allowed week 1 to be 80/20, week 2 90/10 and week 3 95/5. Our 30 day challenge ended Saturday- I lost 17.5lbs, 19.75 inches, 6% body fat, and gained 4lbs lean muscle mass. To say the least I am staying Paleo! I will be adding back in a few things as I will need them for my upcoming knee surgery though. Anyway, the zoning helped me keep track.

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Wow! So many responses! I went on vacation for a couple days, so I didn't have internet and I couldn't reply right away. I'm really glad I came back to all of this support, though!

I really like the suggestion about changing your mindset about foods. I might not have a full blown allergic reaction to wheat, sugar, and other processed foods. But they DO make me feel "blah"(only way I can explain it... its sort of a bloated/headachy/moody type feeling). I feel much lighter, fresher, and energized when I eat paleo. I need to remind myself of that more often.

Also, paleo foods truly are good. So its not that I'm having a problem with the taste of any paleo food. I love fatty meats, eggs, vegetables(even as a kid I ate veggies!), and I LOVE fruit. I will try to incorporate more variety in my diet. That might help. I will also try to change my mindset a bit and stop focusing on food so much.

Thank you so much for the responses! I'm thinking of printing out this thread and keeping it with me in case I feel like binging again.

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Hello! I have been eating Paleo for 6 weeks. The first 4 were a Whole30 and I still basically eat that way. I recommend going really strict for 30 days. That pretty much ended my cravings and now I will indulge occasionally but NOT at home. I just say I am having a treat like when I am eating out.
For years I thought of food as "good" or "bad." That's not a Paleo thing. I did that on WW and calorie counting diets. With Paleo I just think "I don't eat that." Not, it's "bad." When I finished my Whole30 I tried a couple pieces of bread one day and the next day I felt crummy. I don't even think my body is giving me a choice-haha. I feel SO much better when I eat Paleo. The problem I had on all other diets was as long as I was eating whatever and counting calories I would binge eat. With Paleo, if you are strict for a while the cravings disappear. When you do eat the carbs the cravings come back. I do best if I stick breakfast and lunch at least to a few meals I have come up with-tuna or chicken salad wrapped in lettuce leaves, fajitas (meat, peppers and onions) wrapped in lettuce leaves with avocado, scrambled eggs, hardboiled eggs-find a few you like. During my Whole30 sometimes I felt deprived because I "couldn't eat this or that." As soon as that ended and I realized how much better I feel eating Paleo I realized it's a choice! PS-Well Fed is an awesome book.

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I have lost friends over my choices, weren't real friends I suppose. I don't like the attention it brings me with everyone being an expert, in reality they know little to nothing. I have learned when people ask me how did I lose my weight, I do not go into details unless truly sincere then I will talk with them. My response to the general question is; I stopping eating man made and eat God made. That usually shuts them up, what are they going to say. LOL
I have a DIL who grieves me about everything, a nurse(LPN) and heavy. Thank goodness I can handle that. I love to say." I am a grown up and make my own choices and really it is no ones business". She tells me I am going to drop dead from all the meat/fat I eat, while she sits and eating a pizza or a bowl of pasta. Yup I will drop dead some day, prefer that over being dependant on medication and being a slave to the medical field and dependant on it as well as suffering a long painful older life. Yup I hope I drop stone cold dead smiling and probable walking on a beach never having to worry about illness...but I know I will be old, active, healthy and happy when I do :-)

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I've run into that problem (Oh, you can eat at THAT restaurant???) or someone thinks she has to cook a "special dish" just for me while everyone else gets something else. I finally got her past that (I hope) by rather bluntly telling her one day, "you know, it's really simple: chicken or seafood, and veggies, salad, fruit. Please don't make such a fuss about it....it makes it feel like such an imposition." I guess that finally got through. Dinner at her house the other night was smoked chicken, salad, brocoli, and strawberries for dessert. Perfect.

I find I can eat at almost any restaurant by sticking to those basics: protein, seafood, meat or eggs, veggies, salad, fruit. Breakfast at an egg restaurant in Tucson the other day: "I'd like 2 eggs scrambled with spinach, mushrooms, onion and peppers, and a fruit cup and a sliced tomato on the side." Same thing the next day at a hole in the wall in the middle of eastern Arizona. Both were delicious. Mexican: fajitas, hold the tortillas, beans and rice. Give me veggies instead. Fine restaurant: hold the starchy veggie or pasta, and I'll have extra veggies instead. Asian: chicken and veggies, hold the rice, please give me extra veggies instead. Italian: chicken or seafood and veggies and salad, hold the pasta and bread. I've found only one restaurant in Albuquerque that won't make those substitutions. BTW, my husband eats whatever he wants, so he usually adds starch to the meals I cook. Otherwise we eat the same.

Sounds like you have a handle on it -- it's just easiest sometimes to say you're allergic. Everyone understands that.





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Love what you wrote, Erin. I feel exactly the same way.

Dori, I was at the grocery the other day shopping the outside of the store. The bakery is in one corner and as I passed a lady asked if I wanted a sample of coffeecake. I just said, no thank you, I'm allergic to wheat. She just said, oh, no, you don't want this then. :)

The only thing I've found difficult is when out to dinner with friends who aren't low carb/Paleo/Primal. They feel so sorry for me. I say, don't feel sorry, I'm eating well and what I want. They have trouble believing that. They can't believe I'm okay with saying no to all the white stuff.

The last time we went to dinner with friends we went to an Italian restaurant. Of course, no bread, no alcohol, I passed on the salad because I just couldn't hold it and my steak I ordered with asparagus and broccoli, and no dessert, but I did have an espresso with cream.

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6/13/12 7:30 P

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For what it's worth, here's what worked for me. Even before Paleo, my doc tested me and we found I was intolerant of a lot of things including grains, sugars, cow's products, pork, etc. etc. I thought, OMG I'll never be able to stick with this. The first week or two, I read every label and found I could NOT shop in a regular supermarket. I tried Whole Foods, and that was better but the $$$ ;-( Now my main shopping is at Trader Joe's, Sunflower and health food stores.

Then I found Paleo, and read about it, bought a couple cookbooks, found websites and podcasts. The constant input helped a lot. I made a list of things I COULD eat, and list of things I simply could NOT eat. By making substitutions it became a lot easier. Pork tenderloin? I could not have pork but I could have turkey tenderloin and fix it the same way as pork. Pulled pork? a no-no....but I could have pulled chicken. Regular chocolate chip cookies, nope. But I could have chocolate chip cookies made the Paleo way with coconut and almond flour, coconut oil, etc. Cereal....nope. But I could have fruit/berries/bananas and slivered almonds. Tortillas? not from the store, but I can make my own with coconut flour and they are just as good.

Sure, I miss some things like a drippy green chile cheeseburger on a bun, but I can have a green chile burger with a cheese substitute and have it wrapped in a lettuce leaf and it's almost as good. Ice cream? make it at home with coconut milk.

The funny thing is, we were traveling last week and I was hungry and picked up a protein bar at a gas stop and it didn't taste as good as my Paleo cookies. A 1/4 helping of good dark chocolate is just as satisfying as a whole bar.

I agree with the person who said much of it is a mindset. If you think about the things you shouldn't have as being allergic to them and they will cause you pain/inflammation/etc. and focus on what you CAN have instead of what you can't have, it becomes much easier.

Hang in there and good luck.

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For me; paleo is the only sustainable way of eating, because it is natural for my body. I have found out through this process, it was not the food I had to change, but me.
I had to get real and get real about weigh, food, health and me.
Any diet will work for weight loss if stuck to. It is a life sustainable health choice and making me worth more than any piece of food. My journey was of a diet, but my success came when I made peace with me, finding my own value above and beyond food.

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Here's the link to the Paleo Chocolate Chip Cookies. I included the nutritional info that I ran through SP Recipe Calculator. You see why you should eat only one. These cookies are originally from Mark's Daily Apple, an excellent Primal blog. Enjoy!

www.sterlingstyle.net/2010/12/paleo-
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Nutritional Info
Servings Per Recipe: 12
Amount Per Serving
Calories: 185.4
Total Fat: 17.1 g
Cholesterol: 30.8 mg
Sodium: 142.9 mg
Total Carbs: 6.6 g
Dietary Fiber: 2.1 g
Protein: 3.9 g


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6/12/12 10:15 A

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For me, I was eating Primal/Paleo for several months. I went extremely cranky in the beginning but after about a week or so started feeling better. I did the complete purge of the kitchen and if I was going out to eat only gave myself certain things I could eat, steak & veggies or Chicken. But lately I've been under so much stress that I unconsciously started eating poorly and found my fridge with a bunch of left overs that I shouldn't have been eating.

I think that's one of the reasons that you HAVE to make sure you focus on the other things in the paleo/primal lifestyle as well. It's not just about the food, but also the focus on limiting stress, playing and doing things differently.

One thing someone said to me the other day was I might be less focused on food all the time if I filled my time with someone I enjoy. I started painting and doing things with my hands that keep them busy and it helps with not thinking about the food as much.

That my 2 cents :-) Good Luck.

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I'm almost 1 year into paleo I can relate to the cravings and binges. But it continues to get easier and easier. For the first 6 months or so I would go back and forth between paleo eating and traditional "healthy" eating. But it was clear to me that I felt better while sticking to paleo even though it led to lots of cravings and binges.

I've been much more consistent since January. Cravings are not nearly as strong, binges are fewer and further apart, and when I do indulge it is much less destructive than it had been in the past. So, I'm not perfectly paleo but getting closer and closer all the time.

I've also found that my food choices are expanding, not dwindling. My family and I are eating delicious foods and meals that we never would have thought to eat prior to going paleo.

Is paleo sustainable? Unquestionably...YES! However, I'll toss in this caveat...this assumes you choose paleo b/c you believe it is healthy and that it is what is best for you and your family. For those who use paleo strictly as a weight loss tool, I suspect paleo is absolutely not sustainable and will, almost without fail, lead to yo-yo dieting.

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Wow, I needed this topic! I lost most of my weight with Weight Watchers (70 lbs in 7 years), then stumbled on paleo after reaching my goal. For me it was the most sustainable thing I could do ~ no more weighing and measuring and tracking food, now I can just eat a healthy meat and vegetable and skip the stress of counting points.

I struggle with binges too. Like everyone else says, it's emotional, not the fault of the foods we're eating or not eating. I find that I "deal" with stress by indulging in a secret, guilty binge. I've been through some binge therapy and I *still* give in sometimes when I don't feel like controlling myself.

Some people do really well with the Whole 30 challenge just jump in and GO! Not me. I have to gradually give up bad foods for fake foods, then give up fake foods for good foods, then give up good foods when I'm eating too much of them. The harder I push myself to make a radical change, the faster I'll fall into a binge.

Good luck!

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Well Fed can be found on Amazon!!! I think she also sells it on her website~ www.theclothesmakethegirl.com

Lots of simple ideas there too!!!!


Go for more veggies~ if you feel as though you need more carbs, eat some sweet potato (add cinnamon and butter! SO TASTY) I eat apples with almond butter. celery with almond butter. Coconut milk is used instead of dairy milk in most recipes for me. I do eat cheese though...

Keep going~ I still find I have cravings from time to time. I've only been at this since January!

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Angelia- I have also been very obsessive with food in the past as well. I think that is what is causing these binges. I just get so obsessed with everything and then after a while, my brain just says "ENOUGH"! Thank you for your cook book recommendation! I have never heard of it. Can you order it online or is it in a book store?

N_Stitches- That gives me a lot of hope that you do not have such extreme cravings. I was thinking that if these cravings will stay as bad as they are right now for ever, then I won't last. But its good to know that I'll start to not crave processed carbs once I keep up with eating Paleo. Do you have a recipe for your cookies?

Haddasah7- That might be the issue I'm having. Maybe I need to do as you do, and eat a little more. I also think I should be eating more vegetables. I've been eating mostly meat and fat, with little vegetables. I'm going to include more salads into my diet. That should help I think. Thank you for relating to me. It's good to know that there's someone else out there who is going through the same thing.

Thanks again for the advice everyone!

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I just have to say I'm in the SAME boat!! I am craving, craving, craving carbs. I found that I actually wasn't eating enough total calories so my body was looking for energy and it was looking for the quick energy carbs. (I've only been at this for a month, too!)
If I let myself, I binge. I've ALWAYS been a binger, though! I agree it's emotional.
I tried "planned binging". I know, I know, that's not the proper thing to do, but I thought if I could just give my body "what it wanted" from time to time, I could maintain a diet. A carb binge just makes me crave more carbs. I hate it. (I also do this when I'm sure no one will see me!)
Just take a look at your calories and make sure you're getting enough fat.
Also, do you exercise regularly? I do and it depletes my muscle's glycogen stores, sometimes making carb craving worse. Especially if your body hasn't adapted to burning fat as it's preferred fuel. Maybe try adding a sweet potato to supper? Or even a half a cup of wild rice?
Sorry for the ramble, but I just wanted to say, "I feel your pain!".

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I don't miss bread at all. I don't miss potatoes, corn, chips either. I do miss dessert some times. I do allow myself 1/4 of a serving of 85% dark chocolate per day. That and a few almonds help the sweet tooth. I also make a very good Paleo Chocolate Chip Cookie that I have on the days I don't have chocolate and almonds. Portion control, you know.

I really do feel so much better eating this way. So much more energy too. It is a way of life for the rest of my life, not a diet that I will go off of. I love the appetite suppressant effect and the carb craving have stopped along with the binges. I love the fact that I can have one Paleo cookie and not eat six.

I am sorry you're thinking about food all the time. I've been there and it isn't good, but when I was there I was eating too many carbs. I really think restricting carbs will help.

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I spent two months obsessing over #'s and tracking every single bite I ate, kicking myself if I went over my own carb 'goal' and calorie goals. This obsessive behavior would cause me to binge. Always while I was alone or the rest of the house was asleep.

I'm focusing on being healthy, and as a few pounds here and there come off, its just a bonus.

This is a sustainable way of eating. It takes a bit of time to get the hang of things and know what foods are and aren't good for your own body.

Ask your mom to clean off a shelf for you~ put a basket in the fridge for your own goodies. Find some fast easy recipes (well fed is an amazing cook book) and focus on simple easy to prepare stuff. This is what I had to do!!! Make it simple =) The rest will come!

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Angelina- you are right. I obsess over what to eat and what not to eat ALL the time. I think about food all the time, and it is starting to become very unhealthy. I will start trying to focus on the fact that I am doing this to be healthy. Not to restrict myself.

Thanks for the help everyone. I truly do appreciate it.

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Thanks for your advice! The problem I'm having is that I feel as if this diet might be unsustainable for me. I really want to follow this diet, but I feel as if it's just getting increasingly harder because I always have to tell myself "no" left and right to all the foods I love.

After following the diet, do you miss bread at all?

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I am the only paleo/primal person in my house, and I'm the Mom! I have a binge eating disorder that is under 'almost' control, and I found that it wasn't so bad once I stopped telling myself food was bad of that I cant have it. Tell yourself that you are making active choices to make yourself feel good. Binge eating is almost always emotional, and if you find that you feel out of control, please find help. The cravings are because your body is addicted to wheat and candy and the like. Keep it clean for a few weeks and those cravings DO go away. Make sure you are getting enough fat! Stop looking at this as a diet, and instead look at it as a way of life and way of eating.

There are all sorts of eating disorders~ and they can show up at any time honestly.
Here is a pretty good article. paleodietlifestyle.com/eating-disord
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Try not being so hard on yourself. When I stopped obsessing about what I can and cant eat, my mind was so much more at ease!!!

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Carbs make you crave carbs. So, if you're bingeing on carbs, you'll crave more carbs. Atkins is smiliar to Paleo, but is more restrictive. You only have 20 net carbs about 30 carbs total per day for the first two weeks. This really helps quiet your carb cravings. I know it worked for me and I understand carb binges. They are finally under control following Atkins since February. I'm moving into a more Primal way of eating which is Paleo except I can add good cheeses and heavy whipping cream with Primal. I still watch my carb intake. Here's the Atkins link. You might want to check out the program, Phase 1 and Phase 2 are what I follow. It may be the help you need. www.atkins.com

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I've been trying to eat a Paleo/Primal diet for over a month. Lately for some reason, however, I've been having these binge episodes. This didn't really happen before eating Paleo. When I binge, I just keep eating and eating and eating and eating. And it's pretty much always bread, candy, etc.(things that are a no no on this diet). I'm so discouraged. When I binge, I try to do it in private. And when I get caught, I get embarrassed. The thing is that I have never really had these binging episodes before I started labeling food as "good" or "bad"(wheat)

I'm starting to think that I won't be able to keep up with being Paleo in the long run. I am 19 and I live with my parents and brothers. I live at home because I take classes at a University. They are not Primal at all. The only person in my family who is even interested in eating healthy is my mother. She does not eat Paleo, but she does try to limit processed foods, candy, etc.

I don't know what to do. I've never had this binging problem before. And if I keep this up, then I WILL gain the weight back that I have lost already. Is this binging thing an emotional problem? Or is my body signalling that I need carbs? What can I do as the only Paleo person in my household? Please help
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