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5/24/11 10:39 P

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I work the 10pm-6am shift, going on 5 years now. My weight has steadily gone up over the years since, despite my exercise level. I have trouble losing weight even when eating strict Paleo. No doubt cortisol issues. My worst time for binging is right when I get home. I have no will power, crave carbs big time, because I'm tired. And I go to bed right when I get home, so it is like night eating, only at dawn. I'm not so sure it is a circadian thing, or a daily routine thing, as on my nights off I don't feel starving and bingey at 6am. I think it is a reflection of my energy levels, as I'm at my worst on all levels when I'm tired.

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5/24/11 10:28 P

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Regarding fruit - Robb Wolf suggests going easy on the fruit if we have weight to lose, which I do, so I try to keep to only one piece a day (if that) and before 2PM -- sometimes I'll have it with lunch, sometimes with breakfast. No fruit in the afternoons or evenings because of the insulin/blood sugar thing. Normally I try to keep the fruit to berries or 1/2 grapefruit (low glycemic index).

Exception - on the days I work out with my personal trainer, I eat a banana and some nuts beforehand because I have gotten dizzy and felt close to passing out 2 or 3 times working out with her after having tried fueling with protein and nuts only. Understand these are hard, sweat-dripping-off-tip-of-my-nose workouts -- I can go biking or jogging on protein or nuts, and I can even go walking on an empty stomach without getting *too* light headed, but I need glucose in my bloodstream (a la "Paleo Diet for Athletes") if I'm working out with her because it's so rigorous. I don't do bananas at all otherwise.

Regarding wacky work schedules - Recently on NPR (I think it was The People's Pharmacy), they featured a sleep expert who said our bodies are not made to work nights, and that people who do work nights are at a lot of disadvantages, including health issues, as MollieMac has suggested below. It cannot be helped much of the time, however, and wish you luck.

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5/24/11 10:20 P

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I have quit the gallons of coffee now it is just an occasional 16oz. mug. Bothers the tummy now...I am naturally more of a night person, but I do get up earlier in the summer. I go to bed around 12-1am and get up between 7:30am and 9am usually. Sometimes I sleep later or am up later but that is my normal range. When I was on early mornings I was miserable!

So the other thing is I am most hungry at night. What do I do about that?? I was just going to try and shift my calories to accommodate that because as I try and fight it it seems to be a losing battle. emoticon

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5/24/11 9:19 P

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Hey guys I have been there with weird working hours- for years I worked 12 hour day and then night shifts. It finally caught up to me- I honestly believe that our bodies are "set" to the rising and setting of the sun no matter how we try to alter that rhythm. When the sun goes down our bodies start to shut down for the day as well.
It is only after I experienced many years of chronic ailments and finally quitting work that I was able to be well again. You do what you have to do to support yourself and your family but it can play havoc with your well being for sure. I only wish that I knew as much about healthy eating then as I do now- I managed to get through night shifts with gallons of coffee and cracker and cheese snacks- ugh! Always felt exhausted, bloated, angry- my DH and kids were gems to put up with me. My DH worked freelance and was amazing with childcare so at least I didn't have to worry about that.



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5/24/11 9:16 P

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I find that fruit triggers that need for sweet in my case. If I don't want to think about carbs all day long, I have to limit it. Otherwise it acts on me just like any refined sugar. They say it doesn't cause an insulin response, because of the fructose being processed by the liver. It might not cause an insulin spike, but it surely causes cravings for me. I do best to stay away.

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5/24/11 7:56 P

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What should you do if you miss dinner and should(?) need calories/nutrition? I know the hunger will pass, it's the waking up at 4am that gets me. Low serotonin sometimes requires some carb to push the tryptophan per The Diet Cure and Potatoes not Prozac authors.

Skip the salad (500 satiating calories) and eat a way smaller salad of 100-150 calories? Did I answer my own question?
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5/24/11 7:11 P

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MOLLIEMAC that assumes what work schedule? I work until 10pm some nights so not eating at night is not an option for me. I would have to scale that to my schedule...

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5/24/11 11:48 A

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Another article today talked about nighttime snacks and mindless eating. Our metabolic rate starts to slow around 7 p.m. and takes a sharp drop after 9 so it is suggested to avoid waking up the digestive system just when it's getting ready to wind down. Any evening snack should be small, no more than 100-150 calories and should be protein based. To stop snacking use the H.A.L.T. principle- ask yourself if you are wanting to snack because you are HUNGRY, ANGRY, LONELY or TIRED and then find an alternative like brushing your teeth, easing anger with physical exertion, if tired go to bed and if bored do something distractive with your hands like knitting or crafting. If you do end up with a snack eat it at the table rather than in front of the TV or computer.

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5/24/11 10:18 A

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I am battling a fruit demon ... fruit helps my depression (helps raise serotonin). It's why I didn't do well on lower carb. I love fruit. And I haven't lost weight cause of thyroid (ie 'depression') ... but thyroid's regulated, so need to heed this advice. *sigh* Need sunshine daily for that. I can get away with a lot of fruit, but not when I don't feel like exercising. Guess I could have gained a ton, and I didn't. I recently had my cholesterol done, and my tri's went up 30ish points from 34 to 65 eating more fruit. My LDL went down 30ish points though. I am diggin' that. (HDL went down 6 pts, and TC went down 19).

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Good advice to have it in the morning though. I have been eating as late as 10pm lately - yikes, even salads aren't good that late. But then I can't sleep on an empty stomach, and having a 'bit' when I'm ravenous doesn't work. Well, maybe. I should try that. I have been thinking a lot about fruit, so thanks for the post!

(bananas have tryptophan? emoticon Really, I just suck at meat eating. I need to up my protein).

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5/24/11 8:24 A

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Yeah I love fruit which is why I am here instead of on Atkins or other low carb plan. I do love low sugar fruits the most...also peaches are pretty low if I remember correctly. I will see if eating them during the day makes a difference. I usually have mine for dessert lately.

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5/23/11 6:27 P

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I started low carb long before I heard of paleo. I mostly eat fruits that are actually considered vegetables (like tomatoes), otherwise I pretty much stick with berries and, on occasion, pineapple. I also make my own applesauce, but limit it to 1/4c servings....and even then only a few times a month.

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5/23/11 5:27 P

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Interesting article in your newspaper... I have some friends who are diabetic and who used to eat a banana daily (for the potassium) however, in doing so kept the blood sugar levels up too high. He has now given up bananas and the sugar levels are more balanced for him.



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5/23/11 3:11 P

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I have only been on the Paleo eating for 18 days now but this about fruit is interesting and I can certainly see the benefits. I am finding it hard to get enough calories as it is and without fruit it would be impossible let alone enough fibre. I am keeping my carbs to under 100 but feel maybe that is also too high.

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5/23/11 2:54 P

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Your advice sounds good to me! When I was thin (ha!) I never ate more than 1 or 2 fruit a day. Now that I started dieting, I was making smoothies very day with an added banana until I figured out that was sabotaging all my efforts. Too old to eat that way, so I have cut down considerably and I'm back to watching my fruit. Very good advice!


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5/23/11 2:21 P

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Interesting discussion in the paper today (globeandmail.com) about fruit and how its consumption can sabotage weight loss. A suggestion is to limit fruit or at the very least not eat any after 2 p.m.- that gives your body time to burn the fruit sugars before you retire for the night. Avoid high glycemic fruits like grapes, bananas, melons, mangoes and figs (also dried versions) and focus on berries, pears, pineapple and rhubarb instead. Berries for breakfast- YUM!

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