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I'm liking my fat too. lol

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3/21/11 8:31 P

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Cordain is a nutritionist and in his first book was anti-fat to stay sort of 'mainstream' with his compatriots.

Other Paleo authors, like Robb Wolfe and Ray Audette so NOT subscribe to the low fat mantra. Some paleo advocates actually recommend HIGH fat, like 65% of calories from fat because it helps to spare the kidneys from too much protein.

I lose better with higher fat.



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There was a recipe for coconut shrimp. It didn't work out very well. I tried it last night. I am gonna try it again using slightly different ingredients...
The salmon one looks YUMMY! I printed a few of those out. O even bought some wild sockeye today. I like that there is all those coconut recipes!
I would maybe try coconut flour instead of the almond flour in the shrimp recipe (there may have been more than one shrimp recipe). The almond flour does not stick to the shrimp at all.

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Mark's Daily Aplle has a free download of coconut recipes... www.marksdailyapple.com/the-primal-b
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I have found some stuff in the other one, have not tried any in the coconut one yet. Been trying to read some more blogs but keep getting caught up here on SP! I guess not the worst that could happen!

Off to make some cocnut floured shrimp and salmon in coconut oil with fresh artichokes on the side! emoticon

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3/21/11 7:08 P

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I'm still looking over some of the coconut Spark recipes. I did create a Coconut cookbook... I think you already have the recipes in there.
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3/21/11 7:05 P

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I've seen that book on my co-op's website but haven't been willing to spend the 12 bucks. Maybe I'll see if my library has it--sounds interesting. I've got lots of coconut flour; got to get going using it for something. Got any good recipes handy?

Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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3/21/11 6:51 P

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I also "Liked" The Healthy Skeptic on Facebook. Someone asked Chris what his take on metabolic typing is. Can't wait to see what he answers. On his own blog he has closed all comments because of the negative and slimy posts that some people leave but he invites all to join him on Facebook to get into his conversations--so I did. Can't believe some people's posts on blogs--sickening sometimes.

Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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I've taken all the gluten free flours, bread, etc and put in my deep freeze. I wasn't eating it much anyhow... lol
I am kind of not "on board" with getting rid of the fat. Besides.. paleo didn't know about "trimming fat". They ate wild meat sure, but nuts and seeds, coconut, avocados, etc all conatin lots of fat. Healthy fat.
I SOOO recomend everyone read the Coconut Oil Miracle by Bruce Fife. He explains the goodness of this healthy fat beautifully.
Did you know coconut oil does NOT contain 9 calories per gram (like all other fats). It contains slightly fewer than 7. It is a medium chain fatty acid and unlike other fats and oils it is a quickly burned by our bodies for fuel.
Lots of great info in there... it will change the way you look at fats.

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Well I guess I have some reading to do! I sometimes eat lean meats but not always. I do buy organic grassfed meats though. My ground beef is 93% lean, but I do get chuck roast and prok chops that have some fat on it. I also eat chicken with skin if I get a whole chicken, but also buy chicken breast and seafood. I am not in the least worried about fat intake either. I do better with higher fat all around. Less hungry, I lose faster, and my overall calories are lower.

I agree that telling yourself "never"is not good. I don't really tell myself that either, because it does make you want it more. I am sure I have not eaten my last grain...and right now am debating whether or not to throw out my gluten free bread in the freezer. It is so expensive but I haven't touched it in a month or more.

Did go and take the survey...

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3/21/11 2:43 P

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Nah! I checked it out. He wants $300.

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3/21/11 1:35 P

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Let me know if you sign up for that one.

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I checked out the site. There is a Paleo Detox program... gonna check that out.

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3/21/11 11:22 A

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Hey folks, in looking around Chris Kresser's website I came across this survey that he is doing so he can accurately put together data of how the paleo dieting is affecting people's health. This is exciting!
Go here and take the survey and do it quick as it closes March 26

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That's thehealthyskeptic.ORG - try this:
thehealthyskeptic.org/

Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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Laura.... Chris Kresser of Thehealthyskeptic.com has done an excellent series on thyroid dysfunction. I actually dropped the wheat only after reading that. Hope it helps.

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LOL! I've been putting it on EVERYTHING!

It's actually hard to say if it is from the coconut oil. I had the 5 Myer's Cocktails last week (in case my thyroid med resistance was from adrenal fatigue).
I had my doubts about adrenal fatigue as I am not (nor was I) the least bit tired. Nor do I participate in any of the unhealthy activities that bring about adrenal fatigue. Stress? maybe... but I still have my doubts.
I am doing some more reading on thyroid resistance now. I have a feeling that there is another reason for my body not accepting the higher dosages of thyroid.
On, the other hand... lets say the DOC was right and I did have adrenal fatigue and the cocktails worked, and body temp is going up, then that's good too, right? Except one thing... my heart rate isn't going up.
Perhaps my heart rate is slow because I actually have a HEALTHY heart. I've been doing a lot of cardio for a lot of years. My slow heart rate has always been somehthing that the doctors have told me is good. Not sure why I am so worried about that. lol
Lots of stuff going on. My blood pressure is completely normal. Most hypos have high blood pressure. I like that I see a naturopath, but I am starting to wish that there was an endocrinologist here in my town. Like Doc Mercola. An endo who prefers natural medicine.

Anyhow... I've really gone off course... lol

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3/20/11 10:43 P

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Wow Laura, that is really something about your basal body temp going up. So you think that is caused by eating coconut oil? That is truly interesting. So now I guess you'll be remembering to put a spoonful of coconut oil on your broccoli eh??
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Yeah... I read about the lean protein (I bought the book). It just so happens that all the protein I eat is mostly lean. Even the pork I have (I bought an entire pig) is SOOOO lean. I have to add oil to the pan when I cook it. I rarely eat red meat. Occasionally I enjoy a nice strip loin.
Anyhow... I am "avoiding" grains also, ANI. But, I am not gonna say NEVER either.
Occasionally... on an odd Sunday morning I really enjoy some buckwheat pancakes. YUM!
My tummy is still upset today. I think it MAY be dairy. Of course, I didn't have dairy today... that is until I remembered putting REAL BUTTER on my broccoli for dinner. lol Old habits die HARD!.

Anyhow... the protein powder thing. I am not opposed to just using whole foods like egg whites. But how do I reasonably take 1/2 carton of eggs for 1 protein shake? So, I ordered some protein powder. It is simply powdered egg white. Nothing more. Right now the extra protein has been working to increse my lean muscle mass (and raising my metabolic rate). So, I'm leary of moving away from all the protein. Some days I have up to 200 grams.

I'm also avoiding starches, but I will most likely have the occasional sweet potato. Haven't had a white spud in almost a year now. I don't miss them at all. And I will also continue to eat snap peas etc. also...

Also, the things I have been reading about coconut oil... gosh! I will be eating more of that. Shocking really. Also, I've been eting quite a bit of it this last week and my basal body temp has gone up almost one full degree. That's AMAZING! ( I have hypothyroid, so this is a BREAKTHROUGH!)

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3/20/11 9:14 P

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Loren Cordain, the author of The Paleo Diet, really emphasizes lean meats (i.e. only eat the white meat off chicken, get the leanest beef cuts possible, etc.). The reasoning is that the animals that roamed the earth with the cavemen were much leaner because they weren't force-fed grains. I *think* if you choose pasture-raised and free-range meats, you don't have to worry about this so much!

Ani- I agree with taking it one day at a time! As soon as I tell myself I can't have something, I'll eat 100 pounds of it! I just make decisions on foods as they present themselves. 99.9% of the time, I say no to non-Primal foods when they're offered to me.

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I must not have read the same sources...I don't remember seeing anything about low fat or lean meats. I have not read that much yet though.

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Well said, FAYETTESIDRA. That's why I haven't said to myself or anybody else that I will NOT EVER eat grains. I know I would be setting myself up for failure. It seems to be working for me to just chose to turn away from them each time as if it was a brand new idea that just came into my head. Like: "Well, hmmm. Maybe I'll just pass on the bread this time. Or the pasta this time. Or maybe I won't have rice with this, just some extra kale. It's minute by minute, meal by meal and I can feel the new habit forming. My starchy carb cravings are truly diminishing.

I didn't know that Paleo cautions against too much fat. I suppose those paleo game animals didn't have much fat on them. Is that the deal?

Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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I actually don't think Mark considers himself Paleo at all. In the book, he states that Primal and Paleo are similar, but not the same. There are, in fact, quite a few differences. For example, Primal is okay with dairy, Paleo is not. Primal is all about fat, Paleo cautions against too much fat. Primal says eat whatever meats you want, Paleo says stick with lean meats only. Primal says you can eat a billion eggs if you want, Paleo says you get 6-12 per week. Not huge differences by any means, but they are different.

Anyway, what YOU choose to eat is up to YOU. If you start looking at things and asking "Can I have that?" you're setting yourself up for trouble. You can have whatever you want...your life is in your hands. The Paleo police will not arrest you for having protein powder, I promise. Just remember the 80/20 rule. The closer you stick to paleo or primal eating, the better results you'll have and the better you'll feel.

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Mark Sisson made the Primal Fuel in response to people asking for it. They wanted a better source of a protein shake, so he made one.

If you pay attention, his recommendations do not say that you NEED to take any product he sells, but that they are available if you choose to. Mark Sisson was creating supplements for a living before he ever adopted the Primal lifestyle. Now, he just creates those that are more compatible to Primal living.

Of course he is not the only one that 'allows' dairy if you do not have an adverse reaction to it. Some 'paleos' are more strict than others, but the main tenets of the movement are "no grains, legumes or potatoes". I see very little variation from that concept.



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Yeah I am not sure why he does that...although he does use dairy and others don't. His approach is more an adapted paleo for modern living. He is not by any means the strictest.

Other debated items I have seen are green beans, sugar snap peas and snow peas, lentils and potatoes (sweet and regular). Some use them, some don't.

I will continue to use green beans, sugar snap and snow peas for sure. They are not really a bean in my eyes they are all pod. As for potatoes, maybe once a blue moon in small amounts. Too many carbs for me.

Laura did you download the coconut cookbook?? emoticon

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Yeah, I wondered at that too. But I guess, if you feel you need that extra protein in something that whips up fast you might as well use one that has good ingredients like the one on the website. I've backed off protein powders these days but then again, I don't exercise like you do Laura. Protein powders don't seem very "Paleo" do they?

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I was looking at this guy's website. The Primal Blueprint claims to be Paleo... but he sells whey protein. Is there some that believe that's OK? What other foods are in "debate"
Thanks!

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