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1/8/11 10:32 P

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You're right that olive oil isn't good when it's heated -- it oxidizes and becomes rancid. It reaches that point at a lower temperature than something like coconut oil, which has to get really hot before it oxidizes. So you can use it on salads, but you don't want to use it to cook, say, a stir-fry.

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1/8/11 1:58 A

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I am pretty sure the olive oil is okay when it isn't heated. Heating it damages it somehow. I don't know the science behind it though. I saw in that other thread I was the one that said it wasn't paleo, but that was almost a year ago. I am sure I understood it then, since I am not one to say something unless I know it for sure...lol

One thing I do know is that Cordain is about the only paleo person that ever said to eat low fat. And even he is changing his position on fat.

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1/3/11 10:51 P

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I'm sure I've said this somewhere before, but quite honestly I'm not a total fan of the term "Paleo Diet."

Okay, to the diet's credit, though, the name is what got me curious in the first place.

But really I prefer to think of it as a whole, unprocessed foods diet, not to be confused with the Eat Clean Diet. Honestly, though, I'm not quite sure why some say olive oil is not Paleo when coconut oil is -- neither of them are found in nature as straight-up oil! I suppose it could be because coconut oil is one of the best substitutes for saturated fats that you would get from an animal, so it's second-best to animal fat, but that's getting a little too detail-oriented even for my taste.

Interesting discussion, though!

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1/3/11 8:43 A

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with the sites/books I have read, olive oil is OK on paleo. It is getting a little confusing for me what is/is not allowed (green beans, etc...), based on what site/book you pick up. I am deciding on not to let myself get crazy and try to eat as clean as possible - I am learning why people often write I am 85% paleo, etc - I don't know what percentage of paleo I eat but I am trying to limit processed foods, dairy, legumes, grains as much as possible. I was doing real well prior to Christmas (almost 2 months eating clean, fell off the crossfit/clean eating, back for day 3 and doing well so far.

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1/2/11 11:59 P

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Okay, on first review, I can't find ANY recipes on Paleo websites that call for something other than EVOO. Seems to be the best option for salad dressing, and coconut and palm oil (there's another option!) seem to be best for cooking.

If anyone finds something different, let me know!

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1/2/11 11:43 P

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I had that thought, too.

Personally, I'd eat dairy if it agreed with me. But it doesn't. I'll eat the cultured stuff in moderation (yogurt, sour cream, etc.), but over the summer I was eating a LOT of it and it disagreed with my system. It was my doctor, of all people, who suggested that I try to avoid it completely. I just figure the clarified butter is okay because that gets rid of most of the dairy proteins. Ah well.

Sometimes, I REALLY miss cheese. But then I get over it! Or I don't, and let myself have a treat, rumbly tummy and all.

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1/2/11 10:25 P

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I didn't realize that olive oil wasn't paleo. I was eating that the last time. I've recently heard about avocado oil. I think I'll check into that.

Thanks for the tips.

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1/2/11 10:24 P

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Based on that, then I guess I'll be going Primal since I still intend to eat dairy.

I love quinoa. I think I'll still eat that.

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1/2/11 6:49 P

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I usually get my fats from clarified butter, coconut milk, olive oil, and occasionally some fattier meats, including fish (I love fish!).

Funny, I just noticed in another thread that olive oil was not Paleo, and I totally forgot about that! I had been using it for salad dressing because it was better than soybean oil. I'll need to see if there's another good oil for salad dressings -- I just don't see coconut oil working out so well!


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1/2/11 11:34 A

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The main distinction I have seen between primal and paleo is primal is less rigid - it allows dairy and higher fat protein. Although, with dairy, you should go full fat - full fat plain greek yogurt, full fat cheese - ideally, raw and organic. Great sources of fat are avocado, coconut oil, nuts, seeds, nut butters, salmon, grass fed beef.

I too just starting incoroporating steel cut oats and quinoa and I have been having great results!

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1/2/11 11:02 A

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Interesting. Thanks for all of the info everyone.

What's the distinction between Paleo and Primal?

At the time I tried the diet, I was eating lots of fruits, vegetables, and meat. Looking back, I don't think that I was eating enough fat though. Olive oil was my primary source of fat. I was eating coconut milk and some coconut oil. I was not eating any dairy then. I'm eating dairy again now. What do you eat for fat? Jac-Attack, what type of yogurt is it? Full fat Greek, regular plain, etc.?

I like the idea of adding a serving of whole grain.


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1/2/11 10:29 A

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I've never been a coffee drinker. I remember that about 10 years ago when I first tried ATkins, I had the brain fog for the first 3 weeks while my body adjusted to the new food source . . .though I don't recommend that maybe this is at play here.

I go more primal. I eat lots of fruit, and I sometimes oatmeal. But I also eat yogurt. My favorite breakfast being yogurt with berries. Maybe this makes a difference.

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1/2/11 9:47 A

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According to everything I've read about the Paleo diet and have experienced, if you feel fatigued, tired, lethargy, or anything like that, either your body has completely switched over to burning fat for fuel and not glucose, or you are not eating enough fat. Were you eating enough fat?
I've cut out all carbs except some veggies before and was miserable because I was eating mainly chicken and fish. I was not having an adequate amount of fat. I went Paleo the end of September and I always ensure that I eat plenty of fat. Eating fats does no make people fat, it's really the carbs that do that.
I really think you should give it another chance. Just remember the first week or so you may be tired, that's just the body burning the rest of the glucose and starting to burn fat. Once you are burning fat for fuel you'll feel amazing!!

I wish you the best and if you need anything, just let us know.

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1/2/11 9:39 A

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I do drink black coffee, two cups a day. I try to avoid simple carbs as I find that they cause a huge blood sugar drop for me very soon after ingestion. I eat oodles of veggies and fruits along with proteins but still get constipated despite drinking a lot of water so I have been adding one serving of a whole grain each day (think steel cut oats, quinoa, brown rice) with great results.

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1/2/11 5:22 A

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I'm thinking about trying the Paleo Diet again. However, during my last attempt I felt like I wasn't getting enough carbs. When I don't eat enough simple carbs like pasta, bagels, etc., my thinking speed seems a bit lethargic, sluggish.

I would like to get away from grains again, but I'm hesitant to because I feel like they serve a purpose for me. I'm also considering going at least gluten-free, if I don't go all the way Paleo.

I don't drink coffee or anything with caffeine in it, and I don't want to restart. I'm curious 1) if you drink caffeinated beverages and 2) what you typically would eat in the form of carbs per day. I'm wondering if the Paleo diet works for anyone who doesn't drink caffeinated beverages.

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