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DAKOTACAT's Photo DAKOTACAT Posts: 805
5/4/11 8:43 P

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you can't really depend on the calipers if you have lost a lot of weight because what happens is they measure the extra skin, not just fat and it's totally deceiving, because i don't think that ever goes down.

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5/2/11 5:16 P

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Haha, no handstand yet..should do it.
BUT, I am nnow done with Burn phase and took all my measurements again.
I have lost 8lbs on scale, 6 overall inches and 3% fat loss since starting ChaLean. Tonight I begin Push phase.

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AMYLYNFITNESS's Photo AMYLYNFITNESS Posts: 91
4/11/11 11:26 A

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AWESOME post Siren...

Digesting all of that. Have to google what Myotape is. That's a neat little gadget!

21% difference from scale to calipers? That's nuts.

Oh, please do tell us if you handstand on the scale. LOL. ;)

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4/9/11 10:28 P

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Hi again everyone, I was waiting for replies to this post to see what everyone's opinions are..

I have always retained a lot of water when I exercise. I dont know why, but it has always been true - especially with weight training. I do pack on visible muscle fairly quickly..about one month into heavy weight lifting I see muscle cuts at any weight I happen to be. It may not be "actual muscle", but water for sure.

I feel bloated all the time and every once in a while the water goes a way for a few days and thats when I get my true weight, but then I retain again, lol. Its very frustrating, but I am built that way.

My periods are always heavy also and at least 3-4 lbs of water gain then too. I have bad cramps, but I find that the more exercise I do before my period (and no cokes or caffeine), I can get through it easier. I workout through the cramps too - pop some serious painkillers and just exercise. I can't be off exercise 7-8 days and just make myself do it. I totally understand how awful that can be.

So, that's why I say scale weight is deceptive. It is used on this SP site a lot, as well as others. This is unfortunate because it really does not take into account how heavy your organs, bones are - or that you may be retaining water, etc. I do have a body fat monitor scale (Taylor also) and do track it along with tape measurements (love my Myotape!!) and the calipers I just started using with ChaLean...when I jot all the numbers down...the scale is reading 21% higher than the calipers.

It's because the electric current going through your leg is only taking into account your bottom half...and that is precisely where the majority of my fat is. I have some all over, but my butt and legs have the bulk of it.

I think if I did a handstand on the scale and measured that, it would be a different fat% reading. I should try that to see if my theory is correct.

Anyway, I look at it, but I am taking the calipers more seriously now because I also used the Covert Bailey calculator (that I have heard is supposed to be newer and pretty acurate) and the caliper and that calculator where 1% off from each other....so the calipers are closer to true numbers.

Here is the calculator if you want to see for yourself how this compares to the caliper readings. It requires some body measurements and it is 3-5% off for really super fit people and/or skinny unfit people...just so you know..

www.healthcentral.com/cholesterol/ho
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I saw you metioned BMI. That is another measurement that doesn't mean too much either because it doesn't take into account muscle and heavy bones people are carrying around. Many fit muscular people are told they are fat with this BMI method. I totally ignore this measurement.

For me the only true way to tell is to take body measurements and now the caliper is pretty good too. I found today that I lost 1% body fat since I started ChaLean a week ago. I tested it 4 times and got the same result with the calipers, so maybe I did lose some. I am also noticing that my glutes are feeling more defined. Their shape is a little different and so are my triceps and shoulders and I only started ChaLean a week ago (and did some Cathe weight lifting 2 weeks prior).

If you look at yourself a little closer you may notice some slight changes in your definition or contours that are not showing up on the scale or even in pictures yet.

Another thing to do is to buy a pair of jeans you want to fit into and every week or month try them on and see if they get easier to slip into. I did this with a pair of cut off jean shorts (in my pics on my spark page) and took pictures when I was able to fit into them loosely.

I am going to repeat myself again, sorry - lol:

The best way to gauge your progress when you start strength training is with clothes, measurements and progress pics. Buy clothes that are smaller and try them on to see how they start fitting. Also take progress pics with the same clothes you have now and watch them get bigger.

So, don't get discouraged. I went through all this before and the fat will come off eventually, you just have to be smarter and more stubborn than your body to trick into losing that fat reserve.



Edited by: TOTALREDO2013 at: 4/9/2011 (22:33)
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4/7/11 12:50 A

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Hi SIRENALATINA and NANCYDREW8 :-)

SIRENALATINA,
Your post helped me to keep thinking that way! Muscle weighs more than fat, you don't need to look at the scale and I'm a prime suspect for that!
My shape has changed but I really need to thin down, now that it is getting warmer i am going to walk my dogs a lot and take my son outside. While keeping up with the CE I'm about to enter the lean phase and I heard thats when many people saw a decrease in lbs. My big problem is I get terrible PMS and the length of time I get my period. I get so tired I can hardly keep my eyes open. I eat right, take vitamins and even drink vitamin drinks with natural energy. I just cannot exercise. It gets that bad. It happened at the last week of my burn phase, so I missed 9 days and just picked up where I left off and now it happened at the end of the push phase so I lost 11 days and now i'm just picking it back up. It's very frustrating. I think I need some blood work done. Anyhow, my bmi went down a good bit but my weight is staying the same. i need more cardio and i hate cardio..lol. but i know what to do and i've really been keeping an eye on what i eat this month and how often and how many calories and protein i take in.
So NANCYDREW8, maybe you should try again or it really could've been you ate to little. you really have to eat a lot of good protein on this plan and eat often. it's hard to do i know. good luck and keep us posted!
Ohhhh and it is SO TRUE about retaining water. That is really a pain in the a**. esp for me cause i already take a water pill because i had a PE when my son was born and i still retain so much water weight. just gotta keep my chin up and look at the results, not the scale!

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AMYLYNFITNESS's Photo AMYLYNFITNESS Posts: 91
4/6/11 12:44 P

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Fitby40... This just made me feel so much better. Thank you. Wish I did the calipers at the beginning but I have no doubt I've lost fat and the calipers seem much more accurate as to my change.

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4/5/11 10:43 P

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Vita_Bella: My trainer and I had a conversation recently and she pointed out that body fat scale and gadets to measure fat simply aren't reliable. The only true way to determine body fat loss is that underwater test contraption thingy. Not sure the correct name. She said body fat calipers are your next bet. I have read this as well. When I purchased my last scale I made sure I did not pay the extra buck for the fat measurement option.

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AMYLYNFITNESS's Photo AMYLYNFITNESS Posts: 91
4/5/11 1:43 P

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Sirenalatina...think you have something there with the fat calipers. I hadn't used them in the beginning but my bodyfat scale only moved a few % points but the calipers were about 4% bodyfat LESS than the scale said. Funny as I had just tried these out this weekend.

Nancy...did you take pics? I really notice in my pics. Not some HOLY COW transformation, but it's PROGRESS. I know with the turbofire plus clx we are not going to fail!


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4/4/11 12:29 P

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I am in the 3rd week of Burn Circuit. I am not seeing much difference so far.

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I am about to start tomorrow, but I did P90x in 2009 and will tell you that I actually gained 10 solid pounds, but everyone, and I mean everyone noticed my muscle definition and said I looked more conpact, BUT I weighed more and my body fat scale said I gained fat. I felt like I had screwed everything up, but then realized it was a good thing.

Sometimes it's not visible to you right away, but something has changed if you ate clean with high protein, no cheating and lifted as heavy as possible. You said you lost inches in some places and gained in others - so your body was reshaped it sounds like. I bet it looks great too and maybe you just aren't really seeing it.

Are you using the caliper to measure the fat? How about you measure more than one spot - Maybe you lost more fat in other areas and not by your stomach. You should measure other areas with the calipers and take the average to see.

Fat is also very stubborn and comes off when it wants and in the order it wants to. For me, my thighs and knees are always the last place fat comes off. No matter what I do...it has always been true - so I do what I can and just wait.

I just find it so hard to believe that there was no change in fat% at all. Did you take pictures you can show? Maybe someone else can see it and tell there was a change that is not reflected for some reason in your totals/measurements.

Remeasure..get a second opinion - lol.

But, if truly something didn't change, do another round and add it more cardio and maybe cycle the calories - you may have eaten too little or not enough..

PS..weight means nothing at all. Muscles retain a lot of water and make you heavier. If you weigh 200 lbs and look fantastic to everyone - it doesn't matter whhat the scale says,right?
Once weight lifting gets in the picture of exercise, the scale weight is really meaningless. We all use it anyway, but it's all skewed due to water retention.

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4/3/11 5:32 P

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Hey,

I can imagine your frustration! I am in the Push Phase. I did Burn Phase twice...the first time, there was no change! I got injured and started over and then I lost 3lbs and 4inches. There are some people who lost more than 12 inches on their first try of the Burn Phase alone not to mention the amount they lose in the entire programme. Maybe you will see bigger changes if you do a second round...sorry

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I guess I'm just confused by this whole program. I'm in the Lean For Life phase, and my body fat is only 1-2% lower than it was when I started. I've lost a few inches in some places, gained a few inches in others, and my weight has stayed pretty much the same the entire time. I thought the muscle was supposed to burn the fat? I eat well, I do extra cardio, but the fat is still there.

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