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10/9/08 9:07 P

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This is how I feel. I feel that if we givin Bush 8 years to run a country I know that didn't work for this country. So let's see basically give it another 4 years of the same bull from McCain. I would much rather have someone take a fresh look at it who's not been in the senate for years and have someone, who yes my not have experience, but has new ideas and things that may acually may work.
Think about it Bush has lots of experience, right? And see where that ended up with even more National debt and a economy just as bad as the Great Depression.

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10/9/08 7:47 P

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You should choose to not get so upset, conversation about this is a good thing. All I know is that I study history, during times of the Republican party their is always financial disaster for middle class, that is the majority BTW and there is always prosperity for the wealthy...the trickle down philosphy is a fairy tale economic belief...I'm sorry but it just doesn't work. If you want people to pay their mortgage and buy stuff, you have to give them jobs, not outsourcing, higher health cost, no relief in site scenarios.

I don't blame Bush for any of this, I actually blame the voters for not seeing what the other half of the Nation saw 8 & 4 years ago. I will never vote for a Republican because I have done my research, history speaks volumes! Personally my life ROCKED during the Clinton era, there were JOBS so we could pay our mortgage. The Republican party came in and decided to provide tax breaks to companies who outsourced, they provied tax breaks to take away our jobs and abuse people in other countries by paying them far less than what Americans get paid...that's far more unpatriotic than me bashing the 2nd worst President in the USA (Hoover being the first, a Republican). The Republican party destroyed this economy which is why Obama is getting this support. Had the Republicans done right by their Country, we wouldn't want any other party to run this country. Don't be mad that 75% of the nation is seeing the truth for the first time in 8 years, its about time! BTW, most countries now hate us because of the current Republican Administration and you think we are safe??? I no longer feel safe. But I felt safe with Clinton and his sexual situations were no business of yours, mine or this Nations. There is twisted love affairs no matter what party you look at.

I'm o.k. with paying my taxes which is not a Republican way of life. I am not greedy and I know it takes money to make money. With Obama's plan, I can be the American I should be by working my butt off in Green energy renewal to make this place safe and paying taxes so everyone has health insurance, an opportunity for an education, an opportunity to have a successful life in America like Obama did.

I appreciate McCains service to this country...its time he enjoy his life and relax, not worry about how to fix this economy. And I am not suggesting this be a Democrat country only, by NO Means is that a good idea, we need both opinions at all times, the more ideas the better. I don't want to shut you up or any other McCain supporter, fight for what you believe in. I am offended that you would bash me and say I should be embarassed and ashamed of my beliefs, but I am not surprised by the attacks. I am proud to be living in a State that allows me to express myself.

Anyways, don't hate politics, this is ALL very healthy. I use to think political banter was negative, but it is not. I'm not angry with you, I'm happy you got fired up enough to share your take, its important even if I don't agree. I can promise you this, you won't be let down when Obama wins this election, and the latest poll I saw shows Obama up to 76.2% with McCain at 24.3%...so I guess this is pretty much unrelative now. Wooo Hooo!!!

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10/9/08 6:42 P

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I feel very strongly about my opinion for McCain for President, & I've already seen one of my teams actually dissolve due to political differences. SparkPeople was created to help people with weight loss. The Money Savers team was to help people with their debt, & it's done a great job of that for many of us here.

For myself, the Clinton administration devasted us. Due to Nafta, which CLINTON started, my field has been outsourced very heavily, & I haven't found a job in my field in so long that I'm pretty much no longer qualified. If we're going to compare McCain to Bush, do we also compare Obama to the Clintons? Remember that Bill Clinton taught our kids about oral sex & lied to the country about his relationship with Monica. I had to explain all of this to my DD, who was a young kid at the time! Not fun!

And so much of what the democrats have done is just dispicable. Barney Franks told people Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac were safe investments, & many lost big money due to this. (Watch the clip on FoxNews with Bill O'Reilly.) He was also dating a hot shot at Fannie Mae at this time. Nancy Pelosi had to run her mouth just before the vote on the bailout trying to lay all of the blame on Bush, & not even her own party voted for it, but this is supposed to be McCain's fault? Give me a break! He put the people first & put his campaign on hold to help all of us. And the democrats didn't even need a SINGLE republican vote to pass this since they already had the numbers. As a result, the bailout went from something like 20 pages to 451 after the Dems loaded it up with crap! This is just so typical.

It's convenient to blame everything wrong on the Bush administration & the President himself. Personally, I think everyone who bad-mouths our President should feel ashamed & the whole country should feel embarrassed about it. He is the President of our country afterall! Shouldn't we all have a little pride in our country & our President? Has anyone forgotten that Bush has made our country much safer? Clinton had the chance to take out Osama, but passed. True, we haven't gotten him yet, but we've gotten many others, & we haven't given up on Osama yet. Part of the reason our economy has worsened is due to the cost of the war, but the troops have to be funded. We can't walk away from this with our tails tucked between our legs or our safety will become a big issue again. I'm not excusing Bush or his administration of everything, but everyone's at fault here. Besides, Bush doesn't have 100% control over anything, especially with a democrat-led Congress & Senate!

A democratic ruled Presidency, Congress, & Senate is an awful thing to contemplate, but Obama as President scares the beejeebies out of me! All of his associations with "bad people" & lying about it, his secretive past that he won't discuss (his college isn't allowed to release anything about him, & he won't even provide the name of a single classmate), his so-called tax breaks for 95% of the population (which means giving money to those who don't even pay taxes, but taking away the Bush tax cuts), him only having 143 days of experience before running for the highest office in this country, his association with Acorn, the FACT that he voted 94 times for tax increases, his opinion that our troops are air raiding villages & killing civilians (what Commander-in-Chief could even suggest such a thing of his country's military?), him wanting to take guns away from the law-abiding citizen (think the criminals will turn in their guns?), & MANY other things makes him just too scary to even consider.

I'm floored that he has so many supporters. While I don't like Hillary, especially living in "her state" (which is a joke in itself!), I can't believe he beat her in the primary. I think there's a lot more shady antics happening to put him ahead in the polls, too. I'm just hoping the polls are wrong, & McCain wins by a landslide.

And for as many negatives as I can mention about Obama, I can list pluses for McCain, starting with him knowing about war, hope, putting country first, & that sort of thing. You don't spend the YEARS he did as a POW, giving hope to other POWs without knowing how to do this. The Presidency needs an experienced person with a proven track record.

Okay, see? Now I'm upset. Man, I hate politics!

Donna (Upstate NY)

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10/9/08 5:54 P

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In my opinion, the Money Savers team has everything to do with politics, today more so than ever, money and politics are important to discuss and should never be shunned, if we do not discuss truth, we do not fix our problems and this economy has problems.

DufZor - there is something comforting in knowing we are not suffering alone, sad I know. My family has been dealing with the hardships of this economy for the past 8 years because of outsourcing, something Obama promises to eraticate. We shall see better days again, I don't know why I feel so strongly about this but I truly believe we will all rise above this this coming election. Its a difficult time but a very exciting time as well. What you have written is not depressing, it is the lives of so many and it is truth. I'm glad you shared this with me because its important to know when our people are facing problems. Now I know what to pray for! I wish you well, hang in there!

I also moved to Oregon for 5 years expecting life to get better because the Bay Area is so expensive...but then again, Oregon had its economic issues as well. I tried to run away from the Bay but it is the one place I find such political growth and movement, its a fascinating place.

Anyways, to my Money Saver friends, don't be mad with me for bringing up something I find important. Trust me, I am blogging politics in more appropriate forums as well and to a much greater extent but IMHO this is an appropriate place because JES614 did type "economy" in the topic line...economy is politics right now. And I don't spread my politics onto any other forums unless they are discussing the "economy". This economy has affected my debt, my income, my future and my health, it is something you will see in many of the blogs of fellow Sparkpeople because you are not hurting alone these days. Its been a tough journey and its get to get it out, hope you all are cool with that!

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10/9/08 3:46 P

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Hang in there, for what ever that is worth! The bay area is SOOO expensive! I lived in S. bay last year! Even on a good shared salary, we couldn't make it out there! Now I am back in Maine, single again, and on disability and what used to be a decent way to live has gotten to be a struggle. There are times I don't leave my home for 6 days or more. I can go for a walk but only to see more trees. Everyday, I worry how I will heat my home and how I can afford to get to the nearest big box store to get supplies cheap. They are 25 miles away, and are the nearest stores, so it costs 2 gallons of gas to make the trip. Have to think every time I put the key in the ignition. I have a quarter mile long drive way. Last winter, I had to pay $50 a time to have it plowed. Now it will be at least $85. I charged a snow blower that I don't even know if I will be able to clear the driveway with, due to my illness, however, I HAVE to, because without keeping the home accessible, especially during heating season, the ins. company will cancel the policy. So, I did not write this to be depressing. I read your post and realized that, although I miss sunny CA, there are people every where, even in that paradise, that are living this way and I am not alone. Thank you.

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10/9/08 3:10 P

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DH buys the groceries, so I can't comment on the prices, but I'm sure everything has gone up. I am glad to see gas prices coming down.

I'm sorry to hear that your DH's unemployment will be running out, but I certainly won't be voting for Obama. I really think he will exacerbate the situation. But I don't think this is the place to air our political opinions.

Donna (Upstate NY)

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10/9/08 1:04 P

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Everything is costing us more. I think they are even going to increase the $5 Subway sandwich next week to $6. We have been eating a lot of beans and rice, I make really good authentic Mexican food with no oils. Luckily my DH can live off of beans and tortillas only, we can't even afford cheese. I have the luxury of cheap local Farmers Markets in CA and we have a Big Lots across the street, I buy the cheaper food from there but I check and double check to make sure nothing is opened, ruined, spoiled, or dented. My DH and I are both recently unemployed so we take more time in saving where we can and we look for free events when we want to have a little fun. Times are tough but you have to enjoy things like games, sports, movies, old fashion fun! Thank goodness we were able to sell our home 3 years ago before this housing crisis but we are in major debt due to a home we don't even live in, we live in the Bay Area and we are hurting. It takes everything I have to not sit around and cry all day. So instead we work hard to find jobs, Network, walk to the bank, post office, grocery store, etc. instead of spending gas money. Anything and everything, and I have sold most of my belongings on Ebay. But we are both completely tapped out and about to hit rock bottom, DH loses his unemployment next week, no more extensions. All I can say to anyone who is reading this, hang on tight, Love your neighbors, friends and family...you just might need them in the near future, they might be all you end up with. But the upside is from what I have seen in my young 33 years, everything that goes down must come back again. Ask the Universe, God, whomever you believe in to grant your biggest wishes, your greatest needs and believe that this world will change. And then Vote for Obama...

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10/9/08 12:48 P

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Just wondering if in your area you seem to find that the groceries are costing more due to the economy? If so, what have to done to try to stay in the same budget? I live in Massachusetts right near the Rhode Island border and my husband and I try to spend less than $80 every other week on groceries (there's only the two of us)but when we went last week we spent over $100 and the only extra thing we bought was a new bag of cat food...

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