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Tracy... I would have yogurt or black beans after noon even though they technically are a carb they also are a protein source. I interprete this rule to mean no carbs such as bread, rice, pastas = 'refined carbs'....Does that help?


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I'm new to this, but I was wondering when can I have yogurt or beans (i.e. black beans) with rule #7...does it need to stay at breakfast time?
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Patt, this is a hard one for me too. When it's just my husband and I it isn't so bad but throw anyone else in and it get's harder. I did find a pasta that is a full serving of veg so I figure that is at least better than nothing.

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This continues to be the most challenging rule for me because I don't eat meat, fowl, or fish. I just saw this recipe for Shirataki Noodles with Spicy Peanut Sauce for One and realized I haven't bought shirataki noodles for years. I'm going to buy a package the next time I shop for groceries and make this recipe www.healthy-delicious.com/2011/08/ze
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Though technically fruits and veggies fall under 'carbs'...Bob does say make dinner 'lean and green' so I interpret this rule to mean avoiding sugars, breads, processed carbs and starches after the mid-day meal. But--even then I have yet to follow it perfectly and Valentine dinner last night I am goiing to simply write off as a 'splurge meal' and get back on track today!!!!

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Strictly following the rule is kind of hard for me. So, sometimes I take fresh veggies and fruit and sometimes I take processes food items whose labels read "No carbs or low carbs".

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At the start I found this rule one of the hardest. And I probably break it once a week on average. It has helped me though.

I have opposite problem to you - I really have to watch I don't go *over* my calorie range. This rule helps me to spread my calories better. I'm full during the day when temptation is rife & eat lighter in the evening. I used to probably eat half to three quarters of my calorie allowance at dinner. Cutting carbs at dinner has meant cutting calories that are much better used elsewhere.

Yesterday I made chicken breast & pinto bean taco's with fresh salsa, salad & cucumber. Richard had the taco shells, I instead ate everything on a bed of broccoli. Tasted great. The broccoli & beans added quite some fibre. It can work!

I don't know if it can work for you. And I do know there is advice out there that incourages you to include complex carbs at every meal. I think it's better to experiment with things and find your own system to eat sustainably well & healthy in a way that allows you to loose weight than to force yourself into someone else's rules corset.

Having said that; it's good to try out other peoples rules for a while. Idnever thought about cutting carbs from dinner. When I started with Bob's rules I was already convincing myself this rule would be the one I dropped asap. But actually it has helped a lot in my weightloss. And although it's the rule I break most often - I still eat low-carb dinners 5 or 6 times a week, which is a massive shift!


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How do you all feel about this rule now? I hate it personally. It's not that I'm craving carbs or am just mad because I can't have them after lunch. It's because I know that being allowed whole wheat pasta, brown rice, or whole wheat bread at dinner would help me to get my fiber where it needs to be, and my calories closer to the limit.
Anyone read any research that supports this rule? I googled it and actually found a couple articles that say the opposite; for weight loss only eat your carbs at night.

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I do know that I eat less carbs than I used to, for sure. I understand that in itself is helping me lose weight...but I wonder if I had a piece of whole wheat bread for dinner instead of at lunch if it would change my weight loss?

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refined a carbs are bad. Since i started a new eating/exercise program my blood sugar dropped, it is 75 now.

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Really interesting article! Thanks for that.

& yes caponata (spelling when writing on my phone is dreadful!)


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As I was going through some old files, I re-read this great post. It's all about the value of the right kind of carbs www.lanimuelrath.com/weight-loss/my-
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ANNETJE - Did you mean caponata?

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I'm starting to get into this rule!
Had the most amazing dinner tonight of sea bass fillet, capolato (onion, celery, tomato aubergine, olive and caper dish) with stir fried garlic kale, and some cold whole prawns. Gave my other half some olive bread to go with it. It felt like a feast to both of us.
Yesterday my boyfriend made a home made Thai curry with light coconut milk, loads of veg and some lean turkey breast. He had it with rice but I had it over a bed of finely chopped steamed broccoli. Visually odd but actually really tasty!

I think I'm with PattK on the no-refined business. And I don't think I'll ever fully eliminate beans, lentils and whole grains from every single supper (although have eliminated the whites/refineds) but currently I'm enjoying experimenting with building my dinners in a completely new way.


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yeah I hated to see that they were gone, I almost started to cry! I'll just have to make big batches and freeze them. ..... But by doing it this way I will only eat a serving and not the whole can in one meal ...... which I tend to do. LOL!

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Bummer! It's always nice to have some cans of beans on hand. Eden brand beans have no sodium. You can order cases from Amazon for a fairly reasonable price.

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Ok so my thinking is right then. none of the refined or processed carbs but the plant carbs or ok. I was buying beans in a can that where organic and very little sodium only 130 per serving. I know if I made my own there would be no sodium, which I will be doing for now on. My store have quit carrying that brand. emoticon

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@Becky - Bob is talking about refined carbs - white flour, white pasta, etc. Whole grains are good, but you need to limit them. Good sources are barley, brown rice, farro, etc. Beans are good, especially if you start with dried and cook them yourself so you have control over the sodium (and don't add animal fat). Bob's recommendation for no carbs after lunch don't fit into my personal diet because I eat a plant based diet. His advice on carbs is very weak IMHO.

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@patti - that site was saying that carbs makes us fat ..... but which ones? Or they talking about the white stuff like pasta, potato and breads ... or all of them? Cause how can a serving of black beans be a bad carb? Now I know your body breaks down foods differently and something raw is digested differently than when it's cooked.
This "no carb after lunch" is really starting to confuse me. Guess I need to get my books back out and read them again.
I can understand the pastas, breads, cakes and the like, those I'm in total agreement with, it's all the other ones that come from plants that I'm having a problem with. My thinking is if you can pick it off a plant then you should be able to eat it whenever you want, because it's not processed. But cook / fix it in way that doesn't make it bad for you - like frying and battering and mashing.
..... So why should a plant based carb be bad and off limits after lunch?

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I never eat carbs after lunch.My lunch is usually around 1:30 PM. Sometimes i don't eat carbs then either. That is refined carbs. Refined carbs are bad for me. i do much better without them.

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Love it!
Clear, scientifically sound and beautifully designed - what's not to like?
Thanks for sharing PattK


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Here's an interesting infographic about carbs www.forbes.com/sites/bethhoffman/201
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No carbs after lunch today. I also am doing a no meat day. I like them days more and more.

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@ Penny, I wasn't trying to attack you, just giving an example... please accept my apologies

@ Becky... no, I'm not following you... LOL... but I am a people watcher and a realist and it is what the majority of the population does including myself, for some reason gluttony is the norm in our society and then being overly indulgent is recognized as a well deserved splurge.

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yes indeed. Kick them to the curb.
Beans are good.

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Lighhouse have you been following me??? LOL!!! Love the post!!! and it is so true! It is so much easier to just grab something to eat, than to sit down and plan or make something that is good for us.
I think these rules are to jump start a healthier way of living.
Yes Penny the cakes and cookies and pies and ice cream have to go ....... emoticon

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lighthouse. i was just stating some personally. I don't even like cake.
I don't buy ice cream or pie.
fruit and sf jello I will have for dessert.

beans with dinner tonight. they got carbs. i don't care. i am eating them.

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that was just an example of what some people's week really is like..... these rules are really new habits to replace the bad ones.we've created for ourselves.... they are not written in stone, but how well you follow them will.determine your weight loss.... just saying...

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@ Becky.... Thanks, that's what I was thinking, but wanted to see if I was on the same page with anyone else.....

@ Penny..... this rule rules it out after lunch..... a few of the other rules rule those things out altogether..... don't get me wrong you can have the occassional "dessert" but for many, if we are honest with ourselves it isn't occassional..... maybe a small piece of pie today and chips with my sandwich on Sunday, a frappacino on the way to work on Mon., My bday on Tues so I go out to dinner and eat the yummy bisquits at Red Lobster and end my meal with dessert (my old idea of splurging). Then on Wed someone brings their famous chocolate chip cookies to the office and I eat 1-2 or 3-4, and the kids of piano and soccer so on the way home I pick up Pizza or fastfood.cause.their is no time to make dinner. On Thurs. I go out to lunch cause their were no dinner leftovers to bring with me from home and on the way home I stop by the store to get dinner....exhausted I grab frozen dinners, a bag of lettuce to make a salad, after all as I reflect I need to eat some veggies this week, grab some tomatoes and cucumbers and a bottle of full.fat ranch dressing. On Friday, I take the left over salad to work for lunch, but by1:00 wind up super hungry and grab a coke, candy bar with nuts, and chips from the vending machine, then after work join my girlfriends for a few drinks during happy hour at our favorite bar before heading home. On the way home, realize it's 7pm and I have nothing thawed and wind up ordering dinner at a drive through..... on and on..... for me when I lump all that stuff "bad" in one category and look at my habits honestly.... I very clearly am not offending the "skinny rules" occassionally.... it's daily and at most meals.....mind you we didn't even discuss breakfast......

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so that rule would make it illeagle to eat most conventional desserts cake, ice cream and pie.

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Legumes are a vegetable.
well I THINK he is really referring to is the pasta's, breads, potatoes and grains.... Because he has a stir fry for supper and lots of veggies. I'm going to say it's the obvious stuff to avoid, so go ahead and eat your veggies.

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I always figured "that" happened cause god has a sense of humor.

I'm still unsure though about the beans, corn, peas, nuts question???? I understand the elements of a healthy daily diet, but I want to know what should be avoided especially when Bob says "no carbs" after lunch, but fruit is O.K. Some of it seems incredibly obvious to avoid, like the white stuff..... others not so obvious... beans, corn, peas, nuts ..... legumes.... are legumes a vegetable or grain? If they are a grain then the answer to my question is no? If they are a veggie/fruit then the answer to my question is yes. Just curious if my dinner options have more options then I previously thought.

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yeah, the boobs go first. The gut and thighs last. WHY is that???
Actually the face thins, then the boobs.

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glad I could help. You may call me Becky. (there are a lot of becky's on here so I that is why it's backwards)
Why is it your boobs that always go first??? they shrunk before my waist even thought about moving.
Sorry .... had to throw that out there.

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67 YOU ROCK.
Thank you for the information.

Today was my weigh in day for the week.
i lost 1.5 pounds and even better ALL measurements were less, mainly the hips/waist/thighs.
I don't need to lose any in the bust area! emoticon

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I think it has more to do with the sugar content of the food. Because some carbohydrates raise blood sugar, which tells your pancreas to make more insulin, which in turn triggers appetite. Most food have carbs in them, but the higher the count, the easier it turns to sugar. Not all carbs are created equal. Complex carbohydrates are high-fiber foods, which help improve digestion, stabilize blood sugar and maintain energy levels.
"Foods containing simple carbohydrates include table sugar, candy, cake, corn syrup, fruit juice, bread and pasta made from white flour and most packaged cereals and are, as such, some of the major high carb foods to avoid. This is so because simple carbs do nothing for the body other than introduce blank calories. These blank calories only give you a short burst of energy for a short period of time and over-consumption leads to weight gain, tooth decay and many other health problems. On the other hand, complex carbs release more energy for a longer duration and have an important role to play in the body's metabolism, digestion, muscular and central nervous system activities. High carbohydrate foods provide adequate nutrition along with vitamins, minerals and fibers that are essential for physical fitness and overall health. So include as many of these as you can in your daily diet and have a regular exercise regime to stay fit and healthy." (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/list-of-hi
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also look at the Glycemic Index. And Diabetes food guides.
and for some foods how they are cooked determines whether they are good or bad.

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SOS... I need some help with this rule.... O.K. so...

NO -- rice, potato/yams, bread products

Yes -- to fruit and veggies

But where do nuts, corn, peas and beans come in???? Just wondering if I can eat nuts, beans, peas and corn after lunch... they certainly are high in fiber especially beans.

So far I've lost 4 lbs in 5 days????? and my bp has been AWESOME!!! not high at all, I was struggling with the bottom number even with meds this morning it was 96/69???? what the heck?? it has been 135/89 (pushing it to high, even on meds)..... not sure how long this will last but I'll take it :) I think the keys have been.... not drinking my calories (aka no wine cause my other drink of choice has always been water), going to bed hungry (no late night snacking), no carbs after lunch.... among a few others. I also notice that some rules easily lend themselves to others. It is so wonderful to finally find something, an eating plan that works. :)



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The scale trolls were here yesterday and today i went up 1.5 lbs.
It can't be real fat. I have been exercising like crazy. It has to be water retention from the heat/humidity.

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WEll even with no carbs after lunch this week, I am not expecting another huge loss...( still surprised over this one...LOL) but as long as I DO have a loss and those scale trolls don't start messing with me, I'll be happy...I weigh in on Saturdays.

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thank you. I want the same for next week.

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Way to go on the weight lost!!

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No carbs after lunch.
That is easy. I hardly ever eat carbs except for fruit/vegetables. I have to eat some of them with dinner.
lost 3 pounds this week.

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Been 'shocked' stepping on the scales plenty of times, but for sure like this kind of surprise better!!!.....Thanks!

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Isn't that such a wonderful feeling

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Glad you are feeling better!!!

emoticon I got confirmation that the No carbs after lunch is working for me.... 5# loss this week!!!!

I'm doing the happy dance for sure!

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thanks Debbie. I think hubby had a bug when he stayed home from work for 3 days. He thought it was just his sinuses, but now I'm not so sure. Kiddos are feeling a little peeked too.

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oh oh...hope you are feeling better QUICKLY!!! emoticon

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today I'm on an all carb day. yesterday I ate something that made me sick .... So I'm staying away from the fiber for today. Don't need to run to the bathroom anymore than I am.

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I still have carbs after lunch maybe once/ week but limit the serving size and only if I have not had a starchy carb earlier..the scales is liking the difference the timing makes for me...!!


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Debbie knows I follow a different diet and I have not been able to get Bob's Skinny Rules book from the library yet...BUT---the diet I am on follows many of the same rules, this being one of them. It was hard for me at first to remember to eat all my fruits and starches before 2:00 pm but it has gotten to be second nature to me now. (actually the one I am on says 8 hours before bedtime and assumes you go to bed at 10 pm. LOL)
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Had a leftover redskin potato dicrd and added to my veggie & pork stirfry for lunch today....

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More good stuff about potatoes happyherbivore.com/2012/07/mighty-po
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LOL ...I went and re-read it as well Becky...That is a GOOD thing, just means we are keeping each other on the right track...LOL. Even Bob's recommendation for half your weight in protien comes under fire from some as excessive protien can be hard on the kidneys and other things...though the latest studies I read were that aSUDDEN increase in your usual protien levels WITHOUT an increase exercise can sometimes be a problem.

Bob's recommended levels are only slightly higher than the USDA recommendations... * see our protien thread discussion for more on this Patt and I both posted about it a bit a week or so ago....!

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Ok after reading what SuzieQ wrote I went back and reread,
...... I'm sorry, my brain left me. emoticon
But I'm glad that I posted that and SuzieQ question it, cause I'm wrong and would not have known it. It was the half your weight in protein! ok I feel better now, cause all I ate yesterday was veggies and a cup of chickpeas. LOL!

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I totally agree the type of carbs we consume is more important than the number and as I have already said, I am interpretting the 'no carbs after lunch' to mean no processed or startchy carbs....but having said that, I know it just isn't going to happen EVERY day but by keeping the rule in mind, we can and will be making healthier choices...

For instance in the no carb section...Bob says NO carbs after lunch, and then says eat 'lean and green'...well if you took that absolutely literally to eat lean and green a lean protien and KALE ( which Bob says is a powerhouse of nutrition) is green but as a veggie...it is ALSO a CARB is it not?

Sure ...fruits and veggies are carbs but NOT 'processed carbs' which I think we all agree most of us have really let get out of control in the past.

LOVE all your great informational links Patt...

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The number of grams of carbohydrates you consume is less important than the type of carbohydrates you consume. Don't get caught up in numbers and time of day. This is a lifestyle change, not a diet. Your body needs carbohydrates. www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource
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I wish Bob had further developed the principles he presented in his first book about motivation, etc. instead of venturing into an area he is not an expert in. I am taken aback by some of the info he presents in this book. I'm going to re-read it this weekend hoping to find more depth.

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I must have missed the half your body weight in carb grams. For someone smaller, that is really not very much. I just try to keep mine around 100 a day. If if did the half my body weight, I would only have 65 grams. I do quite a bit of running and I am not sure I would have enough energy at 65 grams. I will have to re-read that rule and see what he says, then start paying attention to what I am getting in carb grams.


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One of Bob's rules is to only have half of your body weight in carb grams. today, I'm at 205 when I should have only 76. The only "wheat" thing I have had is my grape nuts cereal. and that had 48 carbs in it. I didn't have any bread or crackers or pasta today. Lunch was an apple smoothie with flax seed in it and supper is broccoli, cauliflower, corn, tomato, bell pepper and chick peas. So I may not get my carbs down to 76 a day.
Think I will look back in the records and see what I have been doing.

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emoticon That's actually one I have no heard of Patt....the truth is any eatting plan that reduces what we normally eat will help us lose weight...it is when we 'return to so-called' normal eatting patterns we regain....hence the key yo make some things nonnegotiable I think.....Everyone will find a plan that works best for them IF we stick to it long enough but then the real key is sticking to the healthy changes that helped us lose the weight to keep it off.

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I realize this is a bit off topic since it doesn't address Bob's rules, but I can't resist posting a link to the mini-McDougall diet www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2006nl/june
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I guess this just reinforces that there are many roads to Rome.

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Sweet potatoes are higher in FIBER than white potatoes which I think is why Bob recommends we get away from the white variety and eat sweet potatoes instead...but, I too will have those little red skin potatoes occasionally ( in portion) as they are GREAT cooked in with fresh green beans and vidallia onion!....

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I had to go and look up carbohydrates just to see what they were. emoticon
I actually do pretty good with this one. But it's my gallbladders fault not mine. I don't like just plain pasta, and since I can't have any sauces, I don't eat a lot of pasta. If I do it's just a little bit mixed in with my veggies. I'm not a big bread eater, now a croissant or a biscuit? OH yeah!!! But again, my gallbladder won't allow me to eat them, so i don't.
Now I do eat beans, cause I don't eat a lot of meat or eggs.
Other than the beans, I'm good with this one. If I do eat a potato, it's a sweet potato.... OH WOW! I just looked them up and they have 50 grams of carbs!! The white potato is actually better in the carb department, it only has 29 grams! Guess I'll be eating the sweet tater for lunch!! LOL!!


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This may well be ONLY MY interpretation of this rule...but, I am thinking Bob means to stay away from the processed and/ or starchy carbs after lunch. That doesn't mean we can't have them ( in proper portions) earlier...whole grains, beans, and tons of veggies are all part of his menu plans as well as recommended food choices.

I agree (good) carbs are a part of a healthy balanced lifestyle. Plenty of indivduals are sensitive to gluten ( for instance) which further limit their use of even 'so called good carbs'.... others have nut allergies and can't tolerate nuts even though walnuts and almonds are a highly recommended healthy option.

I have noticed an increase in energy, improved 'moods' and less night-time cravings since we have been eatting a heavier mid-day meal ( including carbs) and then following the 'lean & green' guideline for the evening meal.

After a lifetime of unhealthy habits, I admit...everything is subject to change as I figure out how my body and digestive system responds to the changes but...so far, so good....

Even Bob has in his lifetime followed a 'typical' unhealthy diet...gone vegetarians...and now states he enjoys 'occasional portion controled meat options, usually turkey or fish)....

I believe it more important to keep the overall goal of healthy CHOICES and learning what will help us reach our 'best for us' weight and energy levels.

LOVE the discussions, ideas and information links as I for one have a lot to learn about 'healthy options' after a lifetime of typically unhealthy habits.

THANK YOU to everyone who contributes to my growth and understanding along the way!!!!

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Way to go Debbie on not giving in. I'm by myself this week so I am lucky and have no temptations. Have stocked the fridge with plenty of fruits and veggies. This is my 4th day and I can honestly say, I do not crave sweets any more especially after meals. If I do want something I eat berries or an apple and that does the trick. I agree, everybody is different and tolerates things differently. The trick is finding what works for you!

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This is one rule I won't follow to the letter because it flies in the face of just about every healthy eating program I have seen. I rarely, if ever, eat meat; so carbohydrates are important to my diet in the form of beans, tempeh, tofu, seitan. Bob's suggestions certainly aren't for everyone. Our bodies need carbohydrates; they are our primary source of energy.Here's an interesting explanation from Dr McDougall www.drmcdougall.com/free_2e.html and a short video about his latest book "The Starch Solution" www.drmcdougall.com/video/starch_sol
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Came close to following the family vote for brats with hoggie buns and chips last night but remebered the Skinny Rules are NONNEGOTIABLE....so, steamed a mix of summer squash and baby zucchini to go with my lean turkey brat.... emoticon

Tonight my daughter is planning lasagna for dinner ...oops....can I scoop out the 'stuff and leave the pasta?....;) A serving ( pasta included) is 240 calories with 11 grams of protein/ 4 grams of fiber/ and 8 grams of fat and 31 carbs....

May have to count this as my 'cheat meal'...carb wise. I have done really good not experiencing evening cravings since I've been following the no carbs after lunch rule though and don't want to trigger a binge....maybe if I off-set the lasagna with a large sald I'll remain to full for evening cravings...will let you know how it went later....

emoticon had to fix a typo... I had a LEAN turkey brat last night...not a LEAD turkey brat....!!!

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I'm working at it, but it's easier for me on the evenings that I work. I can take a small portion of meat (chicken breast, fish, etc.) and then I often take a spinach, broccoli and cauliflower salad with it. The evenings I'm off work are a bit more challenging because Tommy thinks he has to have potatoes and bread with his meals, but I'm getting better at saying no to those things.

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emoticon Let me start by saying...even Bob admits in the book that this rule may be the hardest to follow!

NO Carbs (sugars/ complex carbs/ starches) after lunch ...... Carbs = sugar .....many people have a hard time understanding that cutting out sugar is good but when you eat CARBS your body breaks them down into sugars to use for energy....that is the reason diabetics are told to carefully monitor their carb intake at each meal.

Studies show the later in the day we eat carbs ( that are broken down into sugar) the more we will crave those evening snacks....that is why we do not usually go on the prowl in the evening for a plate of veggies or crunchy apple...but think about chips, cookies, candy or ice cream....

Two steps to curb carb cravings ( especially in the evening)

* Snack on fiber, protien, veggies, and FRESH fruit ...avoid dried fruits as they have concentrated sugars ...what looks more satisfying a 1/2 oz of raisins or a handful of 15-20 fresh juicey grapes?

* Eat 'lean & green' at night

My dinner plate lately has been lean and green, yellow, red, orange...thhinking summer squashes and mixed bell peppers in season and showing up here frequently!!! emoticon

Yes --- I have to make a real effort to follow this rule, so days more than others....but I'm getting better at it and noticing the less processed carbs I eat the better I'm feeling.

Who has been working at putting this rule in place?

How is it going for You?

What are some of you tips/ ideas/ favorite 'lean & green' combinations???

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