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3/7/11 1:41 P

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Lol - if you take the intervals from the start of the run (instead of waiting till you're tired), and do them when it's time (again, not when you're tired) you won't feel that 'ugh, I can't run after this' urge so much. I use a $10 interval watch that beeps really loudly and I make a big production of noticing it when it's time to walk - just in case anyone's watching. I tell myself they'll know I'm serious and on a 'program' if I do that. lol!!!

And X-training - you don't need a gym. Get a video from the Library or use the freebies on Spark. (My hubby and I are going back to university with two little kids in school - you want tips on how to live cheap ask me, baby!)

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3/7/11 11:12 A

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As for the walk/run thing, I've been trying to run slower rather than walk because once I walk one time, it's all I want to do. My head constantly tells me I can't go another step and I need to walk. But if I slow the running pace, I can go forever. Well, until my left ankle is a bloody mess from where I've kicked myself so much. LOL I know it's all in my head though because when I feel like I can't go on and must walk, if a car comes along, or I see people up ahead in their yards, I feel like I have to keep running and I do. Easily. And yeah, I know that "don't let them see you walk" thing is silly, but.....

As for cross training, I'm ducking my head in shame. Ever since the gym membership ran out a year ago, my idea of cross training has pretty much been sitting on the couch playing on Spark.
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I have started to go for walks on most non-run days though. Specially now that the weather is cooperating a little better.




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GOEGIRL
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3/7/11 10:03 A

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I bet you're being too hard on yourself with regards to your form. You might not be shuffling as badly as you think. Hills like you're describing, I'd do the interval thing for sure. You've been running for ages, so I'd start with 5 and 1's and work your way up to 15 and 1's.

I missed the doctor thing, sorry about that. I'm Canadian, so I keep forgetting that it's an issue for some people. Do you check your blood pressure regularly? They have those chair/cuff thingys at drug stores and Wmart. They get pretty tight, so you might feel a little panicky the first time you try it. Take it, ignore that reading. Relax a minute and take it again. If it's in the danger zone then, sorry girl, you have to see someone. You don't have asthma do you?

Cross training - do you do any boxercise or whatever? It might help with your aerobic capacity in general. Something with a strength training angle is good. And yoga with breath training would be awesome for helping you learn to focus on and regulate your breath.

And, quit being so hard on yourself ;o)

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3/7/11 9:47 A

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Marie, I'm like Kirsten in asking if you are doing intervals...I find I can't run slower with comfort...it becomes so awkward for my legs so when my training plan tells me to run at a slower pace I have GOT to do walking intervals...now I recall Nancy talking about taking those walking intervals right from the start too not after we already get winded or tired...so the thing on my slow run days is to insert 2 min walk intervals between 5-10 min run intervals...just the trial and error ratio that seems to work for me...overall pace then meets what my training is directing and the breathing naturally is better too....

Every day there is a life fight, and every day we respond to that fight. We may not win each battle, but we will win, with great effort, enriched character and gained wisdom, the great battle that constantly challenges us in our daily lives. - Unknown www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9aJtO0VCqw


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3/7/11 8:29 A

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You definitely aren't the only one paranoid about the sound of their breathing. And I'm only sort of joking about the bull moose thing. I still have a bit of weight to loose and I'm about as uncoordinated as you can get so I do feel like a bull moose. And then there's the huffing and puffing and gasping for breath.

I also run alone so I don't have anyone to compare myself too. I joined a running club, but their beginners' slow runs were at a 10 minute pace and at the time, I was doing good to run a 12 min. mile. And none of my friends run, so I'm on my own. I can talk when I'm gasping for breath. I can't get out a full sentence between gasps, but I can talk. And I've noticed that singing along to the ipod (out loud - yikes! LOL) helps me regulate my breathing. And I keep thinking about the marathon winner I saw running at mile 23. He was coming up on a oddly shaped intersection and wasn't sure which way to go. All he could get out was a faint "where?" as he flew past. I can talk much better than that! But he also didn't seem to be making a lot of noise as he breathed.

I guess I don't really understand what conversational breathing is. Does that mean you are Talking. Like. This. And. Your. Sentence. Is. Broken. Up. Like. This? Or does it mean you can talk like you would if you were sitting in the coffee shop chatting with your friends?

And no, I haven't been to the doctor. I know I probably should, but as I said, I've got no insurance and no money and I know it won't be a matter of one simple visit.


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3/6/11 7:09 P

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emoticonMarie, I'm not sure you're trying to be funny, but saying you "sound like a bull moose in heat" has made me laugh out loud! I am so embarrassed about my loud breathing that I won't run with anyone-plus I'm very slow-and I try to run on the treadmill when no one else is home! I relate to many things you said about form and breathing. I love Nancy's comment: "Slow running will produce speed. That's what adaptation is...you will find that over time you can go a little longer, farther and/or faster, but you cannot rush this process or you may increase your risk for injury." That gives me hope and motivates me to keep plugging away. After all, we are new at this! Best of luck to you!emoticon


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Two questions: Are you doing intervals? Have you discussed this with your doctor?

Kirsten
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3/6/11 10:35 A

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Nancy, I've just started my 3rd year of running although I spent probably 4 to 6 months of each of the first 2 years injured. At one point, I was able to run 8 miles at a time but developed a baker's cyst which strangely doesn't allow me to run more than 5.9 miles at once. 5.9 and I'm fine. Six miles & I can't walk properly for 4 or 5 days.

My slower pace really is run with HORRIBLE form. I don't pick up my feet, I just shuffle and yet my right foot seems to kick my left ankle with just about every step. This doesn't happen when I run faster. The slower pace also just doesn't feel comfortable while my "normal" gasping-for-breath pace does feel comfortable. I can talk, in partial sentences, when I'm gasping for breath but I feel like the neighbors can probably hear me breathing inside their houses. LOL

What you said about going anaerobic makes sense though. I have noticed that when I do the slow shuffle run, I get that tingly muscle burn feeling in my waist (and frequently my arms for some strange reason) and I loose weight when I repeatedly run this way. When I run at my faster, out of breath pace, I don't tingle & end up gaining weight.

I do worry about my breathing though and have to admit that I have some health concerns. When I first started running 3 years ago, it would take me 17 minutes to run one mile and my HR was typically 173 - 176. Now, I'm running 11 min. miles, with a HR of 158 - 162 but I feel like I'm gasping for breath like I was in the early days at a 175 HR. I don't honestly know if I am gasping as badly or if it only feels like it. I know that it's normal for my HR to have come down, but is the perceived effort thing normal?

I've also started wondering if I'm risking my heart. Over the last few years I've cut my sodium intake in half if not more and now, when I do eat something with lots of sodium, I can't for the life of me breathe while I run. Any heavy exertion leaves me feeling like I'm gasping for breath and I worry that the sodium is causing congestive heart failure. Guess I should also mention that I easily gain 4 pounds over night after eating sodium. I know I should go get checked out by a doctor, but don't have any insurance or money and I know that getting checked out wouldn't involve just one simple visit. So.... I do my best to avoid sodium. As long as I avoid the sodium, I feel fine.

I am able to get my breathing under control a lot easier/quicker now than in the early days though. Before, I'd have to slow to a very slow walk and it would take several minutes to get my HR down and breathing under control. Now, I can just slow my running pace a little, force myself to think of something other than the sound of my breathing, and my HR & breathing quickly slow down.

Another thing - I'm not sure that it matters all that much but I don't have anywhere flat to run. Where I live, the landscape is hilly. The hills are short, but can be quite steep. It's sort of like running on a roller coaster track. LOL Up & down, up & down with VERY little flat in between. The hills don't really help the breathing issue.




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Marie,

How long have you been running? While there is a lot of debate about correct form and the posture know that we are truly all an experiment of one, meaning we all have our unique way of running. Certainly there are principles that many of us can apply, such as relaxing our fist and shoulders, there really is no right or wrong way of running. Just look at any race and you will see each runner with his/her own style of running.

Gasping for breath means you are running too fast and are beginning to go anaerobic (without the presence of oxygen)...when this happens your body is breaking down a greater percentage of glycogen (stored glucose in the liver and muscles) to use for fuel. Because we are better at storing fat (which we have a huge supply) versus glycogen (where we have a limited supply) we will find that over time we cannot go too long running this way before we are forced to stop.

Slow running will produce speed. That's what adaptation is...you will find that over time you can go a little longer, farther and/or faster, but you cannot rush this process or you may increase your risk for injury. With time comes speed and better form. As far as heel striking vs striking on the balls of your feet, this too is up for great debate...some say mid-foot strike is best while other (over 70% of us are heel strikers) say it doesn't matter and forcing one to change can actually create bigger issues down the road.

I hope this helps and know that it takes time for your running to evolve...the runner you are today will not be the runner you are in the future.

RUN SPARK STRONG!
Nancy




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3/5/11 9:47 P

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Help. Lately, I've been trying to slow my runs down a little in an effort to get my breathing more under control. I've noticed though that when I run slower, my form completely falls apart. I shuffle along, barely picking my feet up and the last few runs, I've noticed that I'm landing sort of flat footed instead on on my heels. The new landing is making the balls of my feet feel bruised. So, my question is, which is worse - gasping for breath or running with horrible form?

I guess I should mention that I have hopes that getting my breathing more under control will help me pick up speed in the long run. My slow running form will NEVER produce speed. Should I just forget that my breathing makes me sound like a bull moose in heat and run?

Any input would be appreciated. Thanks!


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