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3/30/10 8:23 P

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Losing weight isn't an issue, he's actually a bit underweight or very close to it.

I'm mainly looking for things to suggest so he doesn't over do it, while knowing that if I suggest he do C25k or something he'll find that not enough. I mean, he'll be overdoing it by my standards no matter what, but left to his own devices he might decide to go run 15k on Saturday or something.

And yeah, only about 6 or 7 weeks until Ultimate starts up :)

Edited by: ANAVLY at: 3/30/2010 (20:27)
I've lost about 35lbs and gone from slightly over "obese" by BMI to just into "healthy"!

And I can now run for over 5k!

#1 rule about losing weight:
It's about making progress, not being perfect
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3/30/10 2:23 P

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Maybe something involving plyometrics? That might help with the explosive quick bursts of speed...

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3/30/10 1:03 P

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I don't think we're disagreeing much. My main point, which I probably didn't express well was that running 10K in training now isn't going to do him much if any more good for ultimate than running 4K, other than the possible calorie burning implications if he's trying to drop weight.

I did a little googling for soccer endurance training, which I believe would be fairly appropriate for an ultimate athlete, and among all of the hits providing vague information while trying to sell me something, I found this page:

www.expertfootball.com/training/stam
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It espouses continuous running at low intensity in the 3K distance range, and higher intensity "tempo-like" runs in the 1.5K range. That was the only result on the first page that actually provided firm guidelines for distance.

You might want to look into some of these pages for a more specific approach to his situation. I don't know that running 10K is going to hurt him come ultimate season, I'm just saying that if ultimate performance is his goal, and he's not interested in being a 10K runner, he may be able to find better uses for his time, such as the weight room.

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3/30/10 11:50 A

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ANAVLY:
I've gotta disagree with Mike a little bit here. I think you're onto something.

Remember he's doing this for Ultimate. Doing the RunnersWorld 10k plan is good to get aerobic base in place. Then a month before Ultimate starts swap the speedwork run for some sprint intervals (stairs, shuttle stuff) which is specific for Ultimate.

Specificity for Ultimate built on a running base sounds to me like a winner. The problem is Ultimate season is on it's way pretty soon so he'd better get cracking!

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For strictly running plans...I turn to Hal Higdon. Google "Hal Higdon Running Plan" and you'll get his website. But that's to train to run races more than just for fittness. I don't really enjoy RW Smart Coach.

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3/30/10 12:26 A

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If the goal is getting in shape (aka losing weight) and general fitness, and he's already running 4K at a time, I would say he should just keep doing that, or slowly building to however long he wants to run for his calorie burn. If he wants to run a race, pick a plan for that race.

No endurance training plan is going to be optimal for Ultimate frisbee. It's all about short anaerobic bursts of speed. 5Ks are 95% aerobic. It's kind of like biking to be a better runner. Yeah, there's some cardiovascular carryover, but that's about it.

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3/29/10 10:31 P

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So my fiance is a tall skinny guy who is built for running. In the fall he decided to do a half, and spent 5 weeks training on a base of the running during ultimate frisbee games and practices plus a 5k he did with me a few months before, and finished in about 1:47.

After the half he didn't run for a while while the blisters healed and then he hasn't run over the winter.

So he's decided to start running again, and as left to his own devices he tends towards the insane plans (he had started on some crazy marathon/half marathon plan and I toned him down to the RW beginner half plan), I'm looking for ideas for what to suggest to him. He did about 4k the other day. I think mainly he wants to get out running to get in shape for the upcoming Ultimate season and general fitness. RunnersWorld.com SmartCoach with a 10k goal comes to mind, any others?

I've lost about 35lbs and gone from slightly over "obese" by BMI to just into "healthy"!

And I can now run for over 5k!

#1 rule about losing weight:
It's about making progress, not being perfect
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