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3/24/10 7:19 A

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Oh Yeah, the foam roller!! Actually, I don't know anything about the foam rollers but I just started using the ball for my foot injury and it is AWESOME! Hurts like heck while I'm using it, but it's one of those "hurts so good" pains and afterwards, my foot feels much better. It's definitely helping to work out the kinks. I'm actually disappointed that I bought only the ball and not the whole kit that would have included the foam roller and a few other devices.

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3/23/10 3:43 P

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Another suggestion. A foam roller. I got one 6 months ago and it has made a world of difference. I did the complete training for a half and about mile 6 I thought I pulled my calf but it was my hamstring. It hurt at the back of my knee and in my calf. Felt like it froze. Anyhoo....I don't think I had been stretching nearly enough. And as others said, my hips needed strengthening. I have been working on the hip stretches, the foam roller (it hurts, but is so worth it) and taking it easier. The half was in Sept. 09 and I am still feeling a twinge in my hammy when I run. So glad you decided to cancel your half even tho it is disappointing. You will be stronger for your next one! Good luck.
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3/22/10 11:09 P

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thanks for the advice, everyone. i decided to back out of my half marathon for may 1st. i'm incredibly disapointed, but I want this to heal. I've also decided to not run for at least two weeks, and then try maybe an easy two miles and work up slowly. i also bought some glucosamine and knee inserts for my shoes. i also talked to a trainer at my gym about strength training exercises that may help. i'm just trying a bit of everything. hopefully this will help, and i'll give it a bit of time to see if its improving.

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3/19/10 1:04 P

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I've been reading up lately on crosstraining for runners, and how running strengthens the force-producing muscles in the legs but doesn't have nearly the effect on the "stabilizer" muscles. Stretching and strengthening may help in the long run. I've been really liking lying leg adductions and abductions, and a hip exercise where you stand on one leg, and move the hip on the leg you're not standing on up and down. Also calf and ankle exercises--spending 10 minutes alternating walking on your toes and on your heels can strengthen your ankles amazingly.

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3/19/10 11:04 A

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Just from my recent experience, I had similar issue this winter, it came on quite suddenly.

However, I didn't have to quit running, but I had to slow down my pace, back off my milage per run, put an extra day between runs, and really listen to my body. I changed where I ran, tried to eliminate sidewalks and hills for a while. Also, I found changing my stretching routine to include iliotibial band stretches has helped the most.

I've also recently changed shoes to see if that helps. It's to soon to tell, but so far they feel better during the run than my other shoes, which were fairly new.

I'm still not able to do the distance that I was running before the incident but, it's improving. Just take it slow.

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3/18/10 7:11 P

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Ah yes, I forgot to mention shoes. I used to have regular shoes, then just got re-fitted and decided stabilization shoes were right for me. it's amazing the difference they can make!

You may end up paying more $, but it's worth it to be pain free. Plus any good running store will let you try them out and return if you don't like. (if not dirty)

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MARIE625's Photo MARIE625 Posts: 3,334
3/18/10 11:29 A

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Shoes! Excellent idea. Go to a running specialty store and get properly fitted. Part of my current problem is that I've been wearing the wrong shoes. They were unbelievably comfortable - I'd even have worn them to bed if I thought it wouldn't be a marriage breaker, but.... turns out they had support where I didn't need it and that support was pushing my foot off to one side which was causing muscle strain.

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3/18/10 10:58 A

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I use to always have knee issues when I ran. But since buying a pair of Vibram 5 fingers I no longer have problems with my knees. Also I am running about 2 mins faster per mile because I am not constantly worrying about my knees. So if you are looking for another pair of shoes, I suggest those.

Of course going to a doctor might not be a bad idea to rule out anything serious. No sense risking doing more damage if it can be prevented. Although I am really bad at doing that myself. I often try to self diagnos and try to fix the problem myself.


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3/18/10 9:57 A

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Personally, I'm anti-doctor. Unless I'm not breathing or there are bones sticking out of my skin, I don't do doctors. I generally depend on Runner's World's website for diagnosis and treatment. Recently, I've been having a foot problem and just went to the running store yesterday and feel that I probably got a much more thorough exam and better diagnosis than I'd have gotten from a doctor. But that's just me....

Not long after I started running, I was getting a LOT of pain in one knee. Everyone kept telling me it was ... well, now I can't remember but some kind of a tear in the muscle around my knee and surgery was the only solution. I never went to the doctor (because bones weren't protruding, LOL) and I spent a lot of time RICEing my knee and limping around. Then I started noticing that my thigh muscles were super tight. I started working on stretching them out much more than I'd been doing and the knee issue totally disappeared.

Good luck!

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3/17/10 8:32 P

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I'm on the bandwagon, time to see a doc. And probably time to bail on the idea of a half in 6 weeks. Doubling your long run in that timeframe isn't even recommended for non-injured runners.

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3/17/10 8:21 P

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I would suggest going to the Dr. too--then you know for sure...if you want to have a life time of running ahead of you..that is what I would do....

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3/17/10 6:55 P

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Well it could be a couple of things.

I had knee problems with a hard a sharp pain on outside of knee, but seemed to be under knee sometimes. After pt and anti-inflam, I said that's not helping and he did a lateral ligament release. No issues since I learned to walk again (just kidding, but it took a long time though and I was in shape till the knee injury)

Secondly, sometimes I have issues with my S.I joint. it will throw your hips out of wack (one leg longer than other) I have had 2 S.I injections & started to execise more. Do have some issues sometimes, but more with back than knees. but I know some people have SI issues who think it's knee problem and get injected and are 100% better.

My daughter had pain under knee (bad) and no x-ray or MRI showed it. During surgery he found huge tear under her knee that formed a bump that he had to scrape off. She is fine now.

Try this excerise, it still helps my knees when sore or tight.

Lay on back, One knee up, other straight out.

Take straight leg -tighten it so your whole leg muscles tighten and bring slightly off floor and hold for ten seconds, then relax. (You want to make believe back of knee can touch floor-then lift.)

Hope this helps. if nothing... just go to dr. and if they don't see anything.. don't let them tell you it's nothing.. cuz they will.

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3/17/10 2:40 P

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I totally Agree with Annie. The same thing happened to me. It was weak hips (my IT band specifically). I did my first half and bc the last 3.5miles were hills, it got worse. Hills really mess with your IT band. I couldnt run for 6wks after that! During that time, I read everything I could find on the subject. I did stretches for my hips and ice'd it. I did not go to the doctor, bc I am in a running class and my coach immediately recognized what it was. You should probably go to the doctor, but I bet they will recommend stretches and ice. Now that I am back to running, I always without fail stretch my IT band. Good luck and keep us posted...

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3/17/10 12:45 P

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My answer for knee and foot issues is - better see a doctor. It could be simply runner's knee, but it is difficult for anyone to say other than a doctor. Sorry. I will tell you I did try the straps for runner's knees you can get from Wal-Mart or a sports store. It helped some, but you can become dependent on them.

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3/17/10 12:44 P

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I had a similar issue last year... for ME it ended up being weak hip muscles and once I took care of that, I haven't had any knee issues since. Now, I ended up walking most of my first half for that reason and after a few miles decided to run what I could. Would I recommend this for others? Probably not - I could barely walk when it was over and it knocked me out of running for longer than I might have needed to if I had just walked it.

However - as you pointed out, Dr. Google can give many reasons for this type of pain - so I would suggest a visit to your dr since you've been struggling with it for so long. Best to rule everything really bad out and take a short break now, then to wait and not be able to run at all.

Talk to your doc, maybe plan that this half you'll walk (if ok'd by the dr) and just experience a half, then once you're cleared, sign up and run the next one.

JMHO - others may have different (or better) advise!


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I'd say in either late december or early january I first noticed a pain in what feels like the back, or slightly outside of my knee while I run. At first I would feel fine, then a few miles in it would start and get progressively worse. I usually never run two days in a row, but I tried once and the next day the pain was there basically right away. Then, when I rest it for maybe a week, i'm back to the no pain at first, pain later pattern. I know I over pronate a lot, and I've gone to a running store to ask them about that. So this has been going on for a while now, but because of the winter I've really just gotten back into running recently. To make matters worse, I'm signed up for a half, my first half, for May 1st. I'm not fully trained, i've only run about 7 miles max, but I feel fine when I do besides this knee issue when it flares up. I know i'm being stupid, but this half is so important and I just can't miss it. So lets say I decide no running for two to three weeks to see if it helps my knee, and I continue to cross train, would I be foolish to still try the half? What If I didnt run at all til maybe mid april?
More about the knee issue, does this sound familiar to anyone? Pain when i run, not usually on the eliptical or during spin class which I do regularly, in fact its fine now that I think about it. I do have some popping when i bend the knee, but i actually have that in both knees. It seems to kind of get bad, then calm a bit, then maybe get worse. Seems to happen when I push off. I have trouble locating it, it feels deep in the knee, not on the surface, towards the back, then towards the outside, and it seem to possibly be linked to muscles because my hamstring and calve muscle is usually more sore in that leg. When i'm sitting with feet on the ground, it feels better, but when i sit indian style I notice more strain. I'm so confused, these symptoms seem to be characteristic of every knee problem on the internet, and all i see is ice and rest. Am I supposed to just ice my knee forever and live with this? I started to take some joint supplements today, and I got some inserts for my shoes. Any advice would be great!

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