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KATREENI
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1/29/09 5:48 P

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well i ordered a polar f6 last night, so hopefully i am happy with it! :)

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Susannah:
Here you go - I x-posted and edited it from another thread:

The way I set up my HR zones is through a LT (lactate threshold) HR test. Your LTHR is the border between Z4 (hard aerobic) and Z5 (anaerobic) and while the test is kinda difficult, it's easy enough to be repeated every 6-8 weeks. The beauty of this test is that if you're doing e.g. speedwork your LTHR will go up (so your fitness is improving) and repeating this test will prove it to you, as well as giving you the opportunity to recalculate your zones.

Here's how to do it (for more info, see any of the Friel Training Bible series). I do this test in place of a tempo run every 6-8 weeks. Make sure you're rested and warm up well (10-15 minutes). Then run as hard as you can for 30 minutes, making sure you record your HR for the last 20. Also note speed and distance but this is secondary. What I like to do is build during the first 10 minutes and then punch it for the last 20. Cool down, 10 minutes and you're done. If you're a true beginner, then warm up well and run as hard as you can for as long as you can (push it though) and take the average of the last couple of minutes. It's not ideal but it'll give you a good starting point.

Then you're ready to calculate your HR zones. Using your LTHR, multiply by these factors:

Top Z1: LTHR x 0.847
Top Z2: LTHR x 0.907
Top Z3: LTHR x 0.953
Top Z4: LTHR x 0.993
Top Z5 (MHR): LTHR x 1.107

Remember, HR is all about % of YOUR MHR, not actual numbers. So using me and my tri coach as an example, we both have LTs of 90% MHR, but mine is 179 and hers is somewhere around 155. Does that mean she's fitter? No - it just means that her MHR is lower than mine! (Actually, she probably is fitter than me being a professional coach and all).

So what zone corresponds to what type of workout? Funny you should ask:

Z1: Recovery
Z2: Endurance (LSD)
Z3: Tempo
Z4: Cruise intervals
Z5: Short speed intervals

This post is getting a touch long so the last list I'll give you (you can wake up now in the back!) is the talk test. I use both together as sometimes my HR will be off for some reason (lack of sleep, fatigue, dehydration etc) but I know I'll still be working in the right zone. Here's how they should match up - if they don't it's likely that your HR zones are off:

Z1: Conversational, full sentence
Z2: Conversational, short sentences
Z3: Single word answers
Z4: Can't talk, must run
Z5: Can't talk, will die

If you can pair the two up, then that's the best thing. It takes practise but it's a great skill to learn.

The website that Nancy links to is a good one to quickly calculate your HR zones. When I punch in my personal #s the zones I get are close to the ones I calculate using the formulas above. The problem with it is the test for finding MHR - 2x 3' repeats are not going to get you (OK, me) anywhere near close to true MHR. I do these repeats as speedwork and it takes me 3-4 before I'm close to Z4/5. So if you work out your zones based on the # you get from their suggested test then they're going to be low.

In God we trust, all others bring data.
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If God invented marathons to keep people from doing anything more stupid, the triathlon must have taken Him completely by surprise.
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Specificity, specificity, specificity.
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1/27/09 11:28 A

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hehe, thanks everyone!! :) its kind of a mixed bag of opinions here. i will check out the garmins as well, the idea of the gps sounds cool, but i want to see how the other features compare to the polar as well. right now i'm looking at it as an all around cross-training HRM, not just for running even though i'm still thinking about training for a half this fall so i will be getting back into running (i haven't run much to speak of the last few months.... this dang cold just does NOT make me want to go out there!!)

thanks for the advice and keep it coming if you have any more!! :) i'm looking at buying one sometime this week, i told my parents and fiance to give me money for my birthday next week so i can put it towards this!

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Remember, today is yesterday's tomorrow.

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SUSANNAH
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Okay, that's interesting. I guess my Polar isn't too far off that. Although I admit, I need to recheck my resting heart rate...it's been a long time.

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I did a few searches on the web and used a few calculators to get my zones. I had to go in my Garmin and edit what was in there. Garmin's presets were not far off from my personalized zones. I thought that was neat.



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1/27/09 10:42 A

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Susannah,

Just to offer my 2 cents, but the following website allows you to plug in your data and will give you an idea of each of the zones you can use in your training...while this isn't an exact science, the zones are fairly close to the ones my running coach had me use when I first started running. I hope this helps!

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www.runningforfitness.org/calc/hrtp.php?mi
nHR=50&maxHR=173&Submit=Calculate





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WONGERCHI, I know you've described this in the past...but would you humor me again? What is the easiest way for me to determine my correct heart rate zones? I only loosely follow the zones on my HRM...so it'd be nice to have a more accurate idea of where I should be at.

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WONGERCHI - thank you for that tip! I was wondering how I was going to get my speed, distance and more importantly at this time, my calories burned, while in the water! Great! Great!



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1/27/09 10:22 A

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KATREENI:
If you're going to be running a lot outside, I'd recommend a Garmin Forerunner. Seriously, those things are great, and the 305 can be had for around $150 these days. I find the GPS function totally invaluable for training/racing and well worth the money. Plus, I'm a bit of a stats geek and like having LOTS of data. And you can use the Garmin for other things apart from running...

I've never used a Polar HRM but I hear that they're great. Be warned though, a HRM that automatically figures out your HR zones is not to be trusted as it'll never do it properly.

BLACKANDI:
While you're not supposed to, you can use a Garmin in the water. I know a couple of triathletes who use the Garmin in the swim portion. They stick their Garmin in a couple of Ziplocs and then put it under their swim cap - apparently it works well...

In God we trust, all others bring data.
- W. Edwards Demings

If God invented marathons to keep people from doing anything more stupid, the triathlon must have taken Him completely by surprise.
-P.Z. Pearce

Specificity, specificity, specificity.
-Andy Coggan

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
- Frank Kotsonis


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I have a Polar F6. It is simplistic and easy to use for a newbie to the Heart Rate world. I love it and do not do any type of exercise without it.

Jayme

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I was going to go with the Polar, but I was turned by the runners over at Runner's World turned me. I'm a Garmin Forerunner 305 baby and I got mine for 159.99 at Costco...it has GPS and you can set it for quick trainings, interval trainings and advanced trainings. It records your distance, pace, time, calories burned, speed, laps...tells your when you when you're going below you target heart rate...tells you when you go beyond it. It tells you to slow down, speed up...depending on what you're doing and ...lots of other stuff.

I have yet to get the foot pod and cadence accessory to go with it but it's a bit pricey.

Cons...can't take it in the water!

Sorry I couldn't have been of any help.



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Kat,

Polar is the créme de la créme of heart rate monitors so I would definitely stick with that brand. I would also suggest a book by Kuno Hottenrott titled Training with Your Heart Rate Monitor. Great suggestion on how to use HRM training not only for running, but for other activities as well!

HAPPY SPARK RUNNING!
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I have the Polar F11. I have used it religiously since my DH got it for my birthday last may. Honestly, I don't know what I'd do w/o it! I'm addicted! In fact, I brought all my running gear to run at lunch, if I felt up to it, but realized that I forgot part of my strap...so I'm torn w/ running w/o logging the calories and time on the monitor! LOL! I know, I'm insane!!

Anyway. If you do a lot of cross training, I don't know about the others, but the F11 will be perfect. It isn't gears specifically for running...so I like using it for walks, bikerides, playing with my DD, etc.

If you are only going to use it for running, there are a few things I wish the F11 had. 1st, it obviously doesn't have a GPS and although I track all my routes on runningahead.com, it would be nice to just go out and run and see how far I'm going, pace etc. Also, I follow Jeff Galloway's run/walk method, especially for long runs, it would be nice if the watch had interval beeping. Like beep every 5 min, or whatever. I know some models do...this one doesn't. But, I know it isn't very $$, and I LOVE IT! It helped me train for my half marathon, and kept me motivated to keep working out after the race. You get a "trophey" on the watch if you reach your weekly goals...and if I don't get it, I'm really bummed, and work extra hard the next week!

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I have an RS200 with footpod... I love it for running because it tracks mileage (pretty accurately), lap speeds, pace, etc. Not just heartrate. It's a little more expensive, but if you're planning to do a lot of running, it might be worth it!
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I have a polar and love it! Whatever you decide, the number one rule is to get one with a chest band. It makes it more accurate -- which is what your going for.

Good luck!! Once you get it, you'll be addicted.
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Kat, I found the Polar F6 in your price range at www.totalcycling.com/index.php/product/F6_
HEART_RATE_MONITOR.html?action=currenc
y&id=USD
I've never bought from them, so don't know about service and all that...but hey for $75 that isn't bad!

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I have the Polar F11...very happy with it, when I really started getting into running, I bought the Garmin 350, with HRM--love that too...

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Hi Katreeni.

I bought a Polar f4 several months ago through Overstock.com (got a great deal on it - definitely in your price range). One of my friends has the f6. We're both really happy with our monitors. The hardest part of using it is setting the information in place and figuring out how the band stays closed (I was doing it wrong until a week ago).

They are excellent quality products and the information is really helpful when you're training. Plus you'll see that what they say is true. The information on the machines at the gym are usually off quite a bit!


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hello friends :) i know this has been brought up before but i didn't want to dig through all the old messages....

i want to buy a heart rate monitor to help me start keeping better track of my workouts and calories in vs calories out. something not too cheap but not super expensive either... i know you can get really cheap ones for like $30, but i want something with a few more options. i am leaning towards a polar f6, or i could do a polar f4 or the f11. does anyone have either of these that could give me some feedback, or any other suggestions?? i am looking around $100, don't want to spend much more than that, probably $150 tops. i've heard good things about the polars so thats where i started looking, but i am open to anything really. i like the f6 because it finds your heart rate zones and has some other options with it.

any suggestions?? thanks!

"There will be a day when I can no longer do this. Today is not that day."

Remember, today is yesterday's tomorrow.

"Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up."

"If you want to become the best runner you can be, start now. Don't spend the rest of your life wondering if you can do it!"

this is going to be a long, hard journey... but i'm in for the long hall. there will be falls along the way, slips a


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