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On my treadmill, I usually run intervals: recovery speed is 6.0, speed bursts are 6.8. If I do a long run, then I stay at one speed, 6 - 6.4, depending on how I feel!

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Coopsm the more fit you become the better your cardiovascular system works. You need to find out what your aneorobic thresh hold is. I used to know the formula but it's been awhile since I've needed to use it. I was tested a few years ago. I've improved mine over time. I'm sure you have too.

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I am a treadmill girl all the way. I find it much harder to run outside. I definately run faster on my treadmill, but I find it easier to do distance outside....the time seems to go faster than just staring at the wall.

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Wongerchi...I think that is what I need to do....i know my resting is 54....I think its time to play with the HRM....will work on that next week....trying to run in my set zone...

I have my first 5K on Sunday want to work on that first....I do know when I do hit 171, I just happen to look and see my time and see what my HR is...its not that I feel like I am dying and check my HR, I do feel that I can still talk with it at 171...maybe not a full 2 sentences like I normally would talk, there would be a deep breath or 2 in there, but could get the words out....

WIth that being said, do you think I am ok, or should I slow it down??

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6/3/08 3:48 P

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COOPSM:
Ever considered that your HR zones may be off? You may need to change them upwards if you're finding it hard to stay in the correct zone. Remember the "talk test" too - this correlates VERY well with HR zones for me. If your HR is above a zone but the "talk test" says that you're OK, then its likely that your HR zones need to be fixed.

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I'm new at this so I'm still trying to get a handle on pace, and I find that I cover 1/3 of a mile more in my C25K week 1 workout when I do it outside than when I do it on the treadmill. (Today was actually my 5th time through it...I had used it as cardio a few times in the past couple of weeks before actually starting the program.) I also get more tired when I'm running outside and I have to make myself slow down.

Running on the treadmill doesn't really bother me...our gym has TVs on all the cardio equipment so I can watch The Price is Right while I run and that's pretty cool. ;) Plus there are no cars/dogs/punk kids on bikes who insist on coming toward you even when you move over/etc. to worry about.

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I have an old Polar, so I don't bother with programs or anything - I don't even know if it handles doing programs. I just use it to keep track of my HR. My trainer helps me set limits.

When I first started 2.9 was my max speed, now I am able to walk at 3.7, but we'll see if I can continue to increase that. I am 5'3" tall, so eventually I have to get those legs turning over so fast to increase my walking pace that it's just plain easier to kick into a jog. That's how I started running in the first place - because I simply could not walk fast enough to get my HR up to where it needed to be. And kicking up the incline was really stressing my shins. They handle it better now though. Who knew that starting to run would help me walk better?!? I sure didn't! LOL

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6/3/08 10:12 A

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See, I think I am trying to hard and not letting my HRM tell me what to do....every run I have I really don't pay much atten. to the HRM....the max it goes up for me is 171---that is the highest HR i have had....I try to slow it down and I feel like I am walking and will have to wlk to sta n my range.
Waht HRM do you have? Do you run programs with it or do you just set you limits? I have a polar and you can select your workout for the day....



I also wanted to add, when I walk on the mill, my walking pace is 4.0(longer legs maybe?? I am 5'9')

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6/3/08 1:48 A

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You run much faster than me, Coop.

I don't know what I run at outside, though I know it is faster than my treadmill pace. On the TM, my LSD run is at about 4.2 - 4.4 mph. When I'm doing what *I* call my speed intervals, I kick it up to 5.2. Anything beyond that and my HR is past 90%... and that's just not good, LOL.

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6/2/08 10:29 P

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Annie--what pace do you run on the mill??? I am always curious even though I know we are all diff....no competition...I try for a 5.5-6 pace, but like my post said, I know find the mill harder then outside, maybe I need to use it more, I live in the Buffalo NY area and I am sure I will be using my mill in the winter...

My mill--doesn't go below a 1.5 incline either.

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6/2/08 9:55 P

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I'm glad you brought this up, as I was wondering how others found running outside compared with the tradmill! I started off running outside, just here and there, a couple of years ago. After I had my last baby 14 months ago, I picked it back up, running outside all last summer.

Once the cold weather set in I dusted off my treadmill and tried running on that. I loved it! I got much more serious about running, and increased my time and weekly mileage by quite a bit over the winter.

Over the winter, when it would warm up a little, I would run outside. I struggled quite a bit - it seemed so much harder for me! Now that it's much warmer and I'm doing it more I am really enjoying running outside. I found that I was running much faster, and as a result, getting too tired! Last night I slowed down a little and did an awesome 45 minute run outside.

I still use my treadmill a couple of times a week. It doesn't go below a 1.5% incline. I love how I can do intervals, and I know exactly how fast I'm going! Plus, I use Netflix and enjoy a movie on the bigscreen :)

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WONGERCHI I'm with you. When I use the TM my run is more consistent. I think because I program the speed and incline of my choice. On good days I'll run the mystery trail!! Program runs it self. one just puts in max speed and incline along with time or distance.

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COOPSM:
Hmm, I actually run at a pretty identical pace outside and on the TM... I always run at a 1-2% incline and that seems to match my road pace, HR and exertion level pretty closely. So my long run pace indoors generally matches my long run pace outdoors, etc. For me the TM always feel harder because there's not a whole lot to look at and I tend to get hot a lot quicker inside.

However I really like doing interval workouts on the TM - it's an easy, reproducible workout without having to worry about stop signs, cars, walkers etc...

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6/2/08 10:56 A

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That's odd...
When I run on the treadmill, I have the opposite problem. Inside, I can usually run (at a 2.5% incline) continuously, but when I run outside, I have to take occasional walk breaks (my pace is also slower).

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6/2/08 10:36 A

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yea, they are definitely different muscles being worked so I would imaging that gets you a more well rounded workout. I am going to try and have one of my runs each week be a treadmill run. I notice that I have a completely different kind of work out on the treadmill. but I love running outside and passing houses with lilac bushes emoticon

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i'm with everyone else, i run slower on the treadmill (and i run pretty slow to begin with, LOL)... and i PREFER to run outside, but i want to do both so that i don't just get used to one or the other. i read that they both work your muscles differently, so maybe it is a benefit to do both??

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hi COOPSM, i am brand new to the running concept thing [matter of fact, i am starting the c25k program, today] but i can give you some of my thoughts on the treadmill as to how it has pertained to my walking. ---the first time that i got on it, i was shocked that i was sweating and slower than when i walk outside. granted, it wasn't by a large amount, but it was very noticeable. there is a balance difference, and for me, i tend to need to hold on to the treadmill heart rate bar with atleast 1 hand. it took me about 2 weeks [at 3x a week] to get my treadmill speed consistent with my outdoor speed. i have found that the more i do on the treadmill, the faster i tend to be off of the treadmill. so now my treadmill speed is the same as the outdoor speed that i was at when i started---AND i've actually cut down a few minutes on my outdoor speed. example: when i first started walking to the gym [less than 3 weeks ago] it took me 15-17 minutes, now it takes me 11 minutes. starting on the treadmill, instead of a 17 min mile, it was taking me 20 min to do a mile. now i can do that same mile in 15-17 depending on how hard i push it.

i hope that helps some. it might be different for others, this is just what i've noticed for myself.

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6/1/08 8:15 P

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Interesting comments...we used the treadmill to train on rainy days & during the winter..yes I am a fair weather runner. :-)

When I did my 1st 5k outside, my time was 43mins, but then I shaved 5 mins of that on the treadmill.
We use it for interval training, combo of normal run, hill run & sprint training. Last tuesday we did 5k in 32mins, and that translated to an avg of 6.2 on the treadmill..so my experience has been that that the treadmill has helped me to increase my speed. And yes, no running on 0 incline, the lowest incline for me is 2.5. And when we are doing hills, 6. So my take on treadmills. I have found a few treadmill workouts that are challenging...

And Kalh7338: try a interval training session on the bike i.e. progressive increase in resistance of the bike over a 20 min period, OR you can try a spin class, they are fun!

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Well, I had a stationary bike and now I run. I like the running much better. The stationary bike is kinda dreary.

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I have found that I always run slower on the treadmill than outside, but that running outside is harder for me (probably because of the faster pace!). I have run at a 1% incline since Nancy mentioned that... and will be working up to a 2% eventually.

The weather here is so unfriendly to running outside that I definitely more a fan of the indoor running, so finding a good comfortable pace for me outside is very difficult. However, whenever I have run outside, I've found that my pace is just naturally faster... but I have to stop and walk more.

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No wonder I was struggling, I was trying to do my outside pace inside and got very frustrated!!! Now I know I am not alone....

Thanks for the responses....

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I know you've said many times to run with a slight incline on the treadmill, but my knee starts to hurt big time whenever I do that. Since I don't want to risk injuring myself, I suppose I should run a little longer to compensate. What do you think?

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I always run slower inside then outside, especially on a 2% incline (which my running coaches insist I run at-no less). See the following link to see how running on a zero percent incline on a treadmill will be actually faster than one can run outside due to little or no wind resistance or elevation changes. Hope this helps...just remember that running on the treadmill should be used as a conditioning element to your training.

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I would also find this incredibly helpful! I got on the treadmill last week and went 10 minutes before I had to stop due to terrible burning shin splints, something I hadnt experienced on land in a very long long time. I got back on the "dreadmill" got rid of the 1% incline and started out painfully slow and finally got my pace around 4.8/5.0. It just took some slow increments until I found a pace and got in the groove. I ended up having a great work out, but those first ten minutes almost totally killed my spirit!!!

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I hope someone answers this for us. I ONLY run outdoors and this summer, while on vacation for 2 weeks, I will probably have to run on a treadmill at some point to get my exercise in. Sorry I am no help, but I am glad you asked this!

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OK----since I have found that I love running outside and the thought of getting on my dreadmill, sorry I meant treadmill....
Anyways, tried yesterday to do the mill due to thunder and lightening outside....I had a very hard time finding my pace and quit after 22 minutes....
How does your pace compare--outside vs treadmill....are they the same?? Is outside faster??
Looking for numbers, here, hope someone can help.

Thanks in advance....

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