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KARYASH
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2/8/08 5:43 P

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Great advice, once again! emoticon

I ran in the Saucony's again last night and the pain wasn't as bad, but it was still there. So I took them back today and they fitted me with Asics Cumulus 9. I am going to give them a try this weekend. The store was willing to work with me and said that if these don't work, come back again!

Does anyone know anything about these Asics shoes? I know that what's right for one person isn't always right for another, just looking for some feedback.

Thanks!


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2/7/08 2:42 P

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I agree with WONGERCHI! While there is an adjustment phase to running in a new type of shoe, you should not be experiencing pain or discomfort. While I agree too, that new running shoes don't need a break in period, they do need time to mould to your foot (the cushion in my new Asics is designed to mould around my heel when exposed to the heat from my feet). The guy at my running store highly recommend that I walk around the house for a few hours every day in my new shoes to mould them to my feet...even Jeff Galloway recommends this. This isn't the same thing as breaking in a shoe, though.

Also if you have low arches sometimes the shoes that they fit you with will put too much cushion in the arch causing you to overcompensate for low arches so you end up underpronating, therefore, leading to a form issue when running. This is exactly what happened to me when I was put in the Brooks Dyad...not the shoe for me, whatsoever. I am currently wearing the GT Gel 2120s but was refitted with the Gel Kayano 14s this past Saturday. Haven't run in them yet, but I can't wait to run in them once my 1/2 is over on Saturday.

Best of luck and...

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2/7/08 12:41 P

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I can't add to the good advice you've already gotten, but I just wanted to reinforce that you should take them back and get a different pair. :o)

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2/7/08 12:13 P

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I'd take them back. Assuming all things are equal, properly fitted shoes shouldn't give you new pains (or hurt, for that matter) anywhere. I'm glad that your running store has a try-and-return policy, all good stores should have that.

Contrary to popular belief, running shoes do NOT need to be broken in. They should be comfy straight out of the box. I normally wear my new ones a couple of times on the TM to sort out lacing etc, but that's it. Our group leader, Trish (RACING4ME) has been known to do 18 mile runs with brand new shoes, no worries.

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KARYASH
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2/7/08 11:02 A

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So I tried the new shoes last night and while I didn't have any back pain, my calves and shins hurt. It was enough to make me stop running and walk instead. I don't normally have calf & shin pain.
Do you think that the shoes are wrong or do I need to break the shoes in? I'm not sure if this is normal. The guy at the running store told me to try the shoes and if they don't work, they will keep letting me try other ones until I find the perfect pair for me. What do you think?


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2/6/08 12:56 P

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Wooooohooooo on the new running shoes!

Since starting all of this, I've been doing more stretches throughout the day when I can--it's amazing how something so relatively simple can make the whole body function better. I think I'm turning into a stretching addict lol.

Let us know how the shoes go, I'd love to hear it. :o)

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KARYASH
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2/6/08 11:42 A

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Thank you everyone for your help!

In the past I have not always stretched and warmed up before working out, so I have been making sure to do that now. What a difference that makes!

I also did some research on my back pain and I do think that it is a tight piriformis muscle. I have been doing some stretches that seem to be helping. If it doesn't continue to get better, I will have to see a doctor.

I also went to get fitted for running shoes at a specialty running store. I tried on LOTS of shoes and found one that felt great. I just picked them up yesterday and I'm excited to try them out at the gym tonight. I am hoping that the new shoes and stretching will help my back pain go away so I can continue to run.

Thanks again everyone! This forum is a great place for advice.
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I had some hip pain when I started running. I am not sure if the relief I have had is from just building up my running or from doing upper body strength training. By strength training on my core and my upper body my posture has improved and I no longer have back pain - at all!

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1/25/08 8:17 P

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If the pain isn't solved by shoes, it wouldn't hurt to get checked by your doctor. Just thought I'd toss that out there. :o)

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1/25/08 7:46 P

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You most certainly *can* run. It just needs to happen without injury. I would agree with a few of the others previous, and get you to try a specialty running store so they can see "how" you run, and then put you into the right type of shoe for your style. It made a world of difference to me.

I had good shoes when I started (Nike court shoes), but was left with calf pains. Once I found the right pair of running shoes, I have been running with more enjoyment ever since.

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1/25/08 4:34 P

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The obvious answer is your shoes. Did you get them from a specialist running store? Do they suit your running mechanics? If not, then find a specialist store and get them to fit you with a pair that is right for you. When I started running I was wearing my squash shoes and always got hip pointers and knee pain after my runs. I went to a runners specific store (the Running Room, here in Canada), they watched me run, I tried on half a dozen pairs and it was like night and day. No more pain!

However, if you have decent shoes, then I'd suggest a longer and more gradual warmup, and lots of stretching (glutes, IT band, hip adductors and abductors). Don't run too fast, either.

Oh, and everyone can run. Some may be faster than others, but we can all do it. Every single kid I've seen can run. And you ran before so you know you can do it!

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1/25/08 1:38 P

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Sorry I don't have the answer, but I do have a suggestion. Since having lower back surgery I know that if I do not warm up real well that I have lower back pains. Also, it is a lot worse if I do not stretch and cool down well at the end of a run or work-out. For what it is worth....
Let us know what you find out and good luck!

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1/25/08 1:00 P

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It's hard to tell what the problem can be. It isn't uncommon to have a tight piriformis muscle (the one in your bum) that can cause lower back pain, but generally it doesn't cause hip pain. Hip pain can be caused by a IT band issue or a tight hip flexors. Try googling these on the runnersworld.com website and see if the symptoms match yours.

I believe everyone can be a ruuner, but we all have to know that building speed, time, and distance takes time...kinda the one step forward, 2 steps back scenario. I will look through Matt Fitzgerald's book Brain Training for Runners later to see if your symptoms match any of the ones he mentions.

Hang in there!
Nancy




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1/25/08 11:35 A

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First you may need a new pair of shoes, then make sure you are stretching or try yoga..one leg might be stronger than the other.



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(have you tried insoles? my cousin had a lot of lower back and hip pain and she got a pair of superfeet - the really hard ones and that seems to help her.

i tried the superfeet and they were way too hard for me. i couldn't run in them because my arches are really low and that hard high arch was killing me.)

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KARYASH
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1/25/08 11:24 A

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I am wondering if anyone ever has lower back/hip pain after running? I have been alternating walking & running to slowly build my endurance (signed up for a 5K in May) and I've noticed that after running, I have lower back/hip pain on my right side only. It's not a sharp pain, but more of a 'pulling' when I move certain ways. I know that pain is not a normal result of working out, so my questions are:

Could this be a shoe-related problem? Right now I am wearing Adidas running shoes and I have had them since May 2007.
I have been to the chiropractor and have found some relief from the pain. He told me to start off slow with my running and gave me some stretches to do. I'm not convinced that my pain is a chiropractic problem though.
Also, is it possible that some people just aren't able to run? In high school I ran cross-country but since then I've had 3 kids and gained 30 pounds. Maybe running isn't for me anymore?

I hope someone has some ideas or things for me to try because I really want to get back into running and I'm getting discouraged.

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