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STEADFASTNSEE Posts: 1,129
4/27/12 10:04 P

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Thank you. I come up with some creative titles! lol.

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4/27/12 9:53 P

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That's the best way. I like that title too!

As I was going to St. Ives,
I met a man with seven wives,
Each wife had seven sacks,
Each sack had seven cats,
Each cat had seven kits:
Kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
How many were there going to St. Ives?


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STEADFASTNSEE Posts: 1,129
4/27/12 7:07 P

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I had to list everything on my own, so I made a Spark Recipe called "Gout Zapper". I had to because when I read my nutrition report it said that my fiber intake was 78! It was because of the juices I used. They weren't mine. So I took the time and now they are.

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STEADFASTNSEE Posts: 1,129
4/27/12 6:20 P

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Just finished tracking and I'm short on Protein?!? Talk about "yo yo dieting!" Ok I tried the Cherry Juice by itself and despite a major pucker emoticon It wasn't bad. I poured it and the Pom juice in a gallon pitcher and added about 2 bottles of water (4 glasses) And I'm finishing up the old bottle of Pom juice with water (equals 2glasses.) Now to get the dietician and my eyes checked!

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4/27/12 1:29 P

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Wow did I just have a good meal! I had a salad and Chicken Alfredo with veggies (Stouffer's). Because of the sodium and carbs (and CALORIES 590!) I cut it in half. And the salad was baby greens red peppers broccoli carrots and snow peas. I guess I have to make that a "recipe" and put it in that way. Hang on; need water. emoticon Speaking of that, Last night at the Kingdom hall I was "yelled at" to drink more water! So now I'm getting it from home too! emoticon You probably don't have to wait to long to see "who's right and who's wrong" I'm having stabbing pains in the bottom of my middle tow!

Good news! On May 4th I will see a REAL doctor about this! WooHoo!! HUGS for now!

HUGS Laurie


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4/27/12 10:46 A

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I eat meat, and tomatoes every day, so I doubt they are the cause, unless I am just in a very lucky phase, where I don't have any flare-ups.

My menu today is

Breakfast:5 scrambled eggs w/ 2 Tbsp no salt butter, and a teaspoon spicy brwon mustard for flavoring.

Lunch: 2 chicken thighs ( 10 ozs) .. boneless skinless. One cans( 14.5 ozs ) no salt green beans.

Supper: 8 ozs pork chops diced, and cooked with 1/2 an onion, and 1 can ( 14.5 ozs ) diced no slat tomatoes.

I have eaten this almost every day, since Feb 1st, and my flare-ups diminished. I had them every week in January, while eating ceral with skim milk, fruit, vegetables, and noodles, or rice. I really don't care what the " right diet " is, I care what works. Hopefully it is low carb, and not just a lull in the flare-ups.

No, nuts don't count as meat, but they do have protein.. for 3-4 ozs of meat, buy a package of meat, and just divide it into freezer bags. If it weighs .90 lbs, just make it 4 servings. That'll be 3.6 ozs each.

Let's see what happens in the next few months. Who has more flare-ups, and what we eat. It should be interesting. I am flare-up free since mid March so far, and that was a minor one. Last doozy of a flare-up ended Feb 12th.

I will go back and see when my last flare-up was, and we'll see who goes the longest in between them, and it will also help compare it to the next one.. if it get longer, you may be doing something right.

Edited by: RUSSELL_40 at: 4/27/2012 (10:54)
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STEADFASTNSEE Posts: 1,129
4/24/12 9:42 P

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On that second link I read that avocados are good as well as grapes and cherries and my friend Pomegranate. WOOHOO!

Okay I still don't understand what "anthocyanins" are yet (and apparently neither does my computer!). I'll keep reading! Potassium is next. I also take a Potassium supplement (which probably doesn't do much). Let's see what's in it. Hang on. "Potassium Gluconate 550mgs which is 3% (that's IT?!) DV. But this is what the article said: Cherries contain a moderate amount of potassium. Other potassium foods to consider would be bananas, cantaloupe, and tomatoes. These three foods would be classified as being fairly high in potassium. I'm confused. I thought tomatoes were bad for gout because of the acid? You can see you guys have your work cut out! Hope I'm not too much of a handful. I'll post this and go back to the article.

Edited by: STEADFASTNSEE at: 4/24/2012 (21:53)
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STEADFASTNSEE Posts: 1,129
4/24/12 9:22 P

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That process: "Endergonic". My fitness tracker is always yelling at me when I do major workouts (ie my hike from the Kingdom hall--that was a mile and a half it didn't expect!) or when I walk home from someplace. Because of the CP I burn more calories doing what you do naturally! So I eat within my range and still lose. But lately (ok um BEFORE the binges I've been having--let's be honest here) my calories have been BELOW the low! That would include carbs and protein. I probably should get back to normal eating (whatever that is) and start tracking again. One thing that has GOT to stop is my eating out! I did it again tonight at a Japanese/Thai restaurant that gave me an MSG headache! GRR. Oh well, I still have the leftovers.

And, remember WOUBBIE, I can't "test" anything cuz I haven't been DIAGNOSED yet! (officially) So I need to limit ALL types of protein, not just animal? I forsee a diet of Manna very soon! This is hard. And it's harder, not because I don't WANT to change but because I don't have any support on THIS end (doctors and diagnoses). But I'm grateful for your support!

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4/24/12 9:03 P

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Laurie - did you happen to read Russell's post here:

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Maybe you can be our guinea pig and try the Vitamin C? With or without cherries on top?

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The good stuff apparently balances out the high level of fructose. Any idea what triggered your flare?

As I was going to St. Ives,
I met a man with seven wives,
Each wife had seven sacks,
Each sack had seven cats,
Each cat had seven kits:
Kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
How many were there going to St. Ives?


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4/24/12 8:45 P

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Yup, your body can metabolize protein as glucose. It's a pretty slow process in general, though. If I'm understanding it correctly you will only generally make much glucose from protein if you're hypoglycemic and don't have a ready source of carbs. Wikipedia again:

"This process occurs during periods of fasting, starvation, low-carbohydrate diets, or intense exercise and is highly endergonic" (meaning uses more energy than it creates).

I know this process is a real concern for type 1 diabetics, but I'm not so sure about type 2. If you test your blood sugar regularly and aren't having big numbers I would guess that it's not too problematic for you

As I was going to St. Ives,
I met a man with seven wives,
Each wife had seven sacks,
Each sack had seven cats,
Each cat had seven kits:
Kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
How many were there going to St. Ives?


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STEADFASTNSEE Posts: 1,129
4/24/12 7:35 P

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Okay Russell You are giving me something to learn again! I read on Wickipedia that I can have 3-4 oz of meat a day. Presumably cuz of the protein. NOW, Question: Does "meat" include things like nuts and nut butters and beans/legumes. And the dairy protein? Which leads me to another question. When I track my protein it's usually on the low end and it's only between 60-144 as it is! I REALLY NEED HELP (and yes I'm in the middle of a flair now!)

HUGS Laurie


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4/22/12 9:47 A

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I was talking about sugar and gout on another team site, and someone pointed out something that hit me, and made me feel stupid.

Excess protein can be converted to glucose.

This would be the same result as a pop. Maybe it matters more about elevated blood sugars than sugar itself. A pop will drive up your blood sugar, but so will eating 3 lbs of turkey on Thanksgiving. This would explain how meat is a cause of gout flare-ups, as well as pop.

I eat 130 grams of protein a day usually, but what if I cut it to 80, and had an orange, or some cheese? Maybe the combo of fructose, lactose, PLUS excessive protein is driving the blood sugars up. So without excessive protein, I could eat some natural sugars as long as it wasn't enough to drive up my blood sugar. Pop, and sucrose, would still be taboo, naturally.

This would explain people having different causes.. the cause would feel to be the one item you ate that pushed you blood sugar up, not one individual food.. So it might be cheese for boss, if he had just eaten a chicken, or a fruit for me if I just had a pop.. or a pop if I just ate 130 grams of protein all day?? Or the 3rd beer could be a cause? 2 was okay

Obviously , this doesn't explain it all. People without elevated blood sugars can have gout, but I doubt people who have gout check their blood sugar to see if they are also diabetic. We know they are related somehow, but I just thought this was very interesting.

Any thought on the subject are welcome.


Edited by: RUSSELL_40 at: 4/22/2012 (09:47)
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