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3/12/12 5:07 A

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Russell, as I have purged my primary food triggers from my diet (soft cheeses in my instance), secondaries have become more apparent (including large amounts of non-berry fruit). For heart-healthy reasons, I do not eat enough red meat to tell if that is a trigger or not for me. If so, it is not as obvious of a one as the others.

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3/12/12 3:27 A

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I was thinking that maybe they do similar things with other meat. I know they use carbon dioxide to make meat redder. My brother knew that back when he was 20.. twenty years ago. He worked for a butcher, and they did all sorts of things.

I am sure the amount of ammonia that makes it through after rinsing would be minimal, but since I am on diuretics, and other causes of high uric acid, thought maybe it could be the proverbial cherry on top of my gout sundae..lol.

I guess since I haven't had any pain in a month, I should just stick to my menu, no sugar, no pink slime. I just thought it was interesting. I think they are guessing a lot about what causes gout, and when I googled this, I expected some info either refuting my hypothesis, or agreeing. No articles leads me to believe they aren't asking questions. I would be okay with that, if they had more answers.

Since I don't eat ground beef anyways, I guess it is not a concern of mine either.

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3/11/12 11:53 P

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Not silly at all. I was looking at the articles about blood ph a few weeks ago and ran into these two about baking soda to reduce the acidity level of both the blood (gout) and the urine (kidney stones).
www.rawfoodexplained.com/acid-and-al
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www.livestrong.com/article/35837-pre
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It's conceivable that the ammonia they use in pink slime could actually raise the alkalinity, but it's a relatively new product and red meat has traditionally been associated with gout for years, so I think it's probably a minor player. However, I thought this quote was pretty interesting:

"Generally speaking, the metabolic processes of the breakdown of foods from the vegetable kingdom change in character from acidic to alkaline, while the foods from the animal world change from alkaline to acid during metabolism.'

Which could explain why acidic cherries seem to help with symptoms.

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3/11/12 10:32 P

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I was looking at the pink slime articles.. especially how they wash it in ammonia. I was told it might cause urea to be increased.. so my mind starts going ( always a bad thing ). Anyways, after trying to see if ammonia raises uric acid levels for 30 minutes, with no link shown, I went to check on Flamasil( gout med ).. and it has yucca powder which is said to reduce ammonia which causes buildup of uric acid.. ??

I am wondering if pink slime, which is in 70% of our ground beef is raising ammonia levels enough so that someone who has other factors would be just high enough to suffer gout attacks. I have high BP, take a diuretic etc. I am wondering if this would be related, or if it just blood ammonia, and if that could be affected by washing the beef in ammonia?

Any info showing a link, or disproving it would be appreciated. maybe this is why "beef causes gout" ? I am eating red meat, and over a lb of meat every day with no attacks, but I avoid ground beef.. steak, chicken, and fish for me. I don't think it would be enough to cause gout attacks by itself, but it could be one factor.

I could be way off, so just thought I would throw this out there, and see what you guys think. No stupid questions, right? lol

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