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7/16/09 7:48 P

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Yeah, my doc didn't like how I was doing it because I broke the capsules open. She thought I should be able to go from one pill to nothing but there was just no way!

I can imagine you'd have a really rough time! What I can't figure out, too, is how come some women don't have any problems?? My grandma and my aunt had no hotflashes or anything! My mom and I have/had enough for both of them plus ourselves! LOL It's so unfair.

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7/16/09 5:39 P

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yes, it is! I had same (dizziness) when I went cold turkey. But I think you had the right idea... when I went off all the antidepressants/antianxiety meds, etc, I flushed them all down the toilet one evening. When I told my endocrinologist, he got pretty upset with me.. telling me that sudden discontinuation of Wellbutrin especially can induce seizures. Yikes! I just wanted to make a grand gesture of it, I guess...and flush it all, once I learned it was my thyroid to blame. So you had the right idea... gradual decrease in dose.. even if your MD didn't like how u were doing it.

At any rate, sudden discontinuation of Nuva Ring, with only one ovary, did not pave a gentle road to menopause for me. I have been miserable.

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7/16/09 4:15 P

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Well, I'm glad you found an underlying cause of the depression! My daughter (23 y.o.) is on wellbutrin and celexa. It seems to be helping her quite a bit, thank goodness. She's had bloodwork done, too, including thyroid. Everything was normal.

Oops, I was wrong in an earlier post. It wasn't Lexapro, it was Effexor that I was taking. It was horrible to get off of it! I was so dizzy, I was afraid to drive the kids to school and when walking down stairs, I had to have my husband help me so I didn't fall. I started taking the capsules apart, dumping the granules into my hand, scooping some back up and putting the capsule back together, and flushing the unused granules. My doc ripped into me for it but that was the only way I could get off of it without being really sick! Hello, I have 5 kids! She was young, single, no kids, so how could she know? She thought I should just be sick for a couple of days and it would be over. I started out scooping about 75% back up and gradually decreased it to 25% before stopping altogether. Nasty stuff!!

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7/16/09 3:59 P

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yes, I think you are right: going off cold turkey was harsh on my body.

Years ago I was diagnosed with major clinical depression. At the time, not knowing the underlying cause of the depression was hypothyroidism, I was referred to a psych who put me on, over the course of 2 yrs:

lexapro
effexor
zoloft
ambien
wellbutrin
paxil
provigil

and a couple others I can't recall.

I became a fat, suicidal zombie. What a pill-pusher he was! I'll never take another antidepressant again! But that was just me- my unique situation. Once the Hashimoto's was diagnosed and the right amount of Synthroid and Cytomel was prescribed, the fog lifted and I felt human again.

Bodies and hormones are so MADDENING!! argh!
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7/16/09 2:57 P

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Maybe that was my mistake there - going cold turkey! The doc did put me on Lexapro to see if that would help with the hot flashes, but it didn't do a thing and then I had a REALLY hard time weaning myself off of it! I'm thinking maybe it wasn't the right kind of antidepressant.

I live near Albuquerque and we don't have central air, either. We do have a window unit, but it has a hard time keeping up when it's super hot. I hope your relatives at least have evaporative coolers!

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7/16/09 12:16 P

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A few months ago, after a visit to my gyno, I was asked to discontinue my NUVA ring, due to the presence of some minor vaginal inflammation. So I discontinued it, and BAM: I was hit with my menopausal symptoms suddenly and severely.(I am a 45.5 y/o with PCOS and only one atrophied ovary).

I desperately wanted to adjust to life without HRT, and began taking evening primrose, to no avail. I was then coaxed into taking Eva-Mist (estradiol spray) but didn't want to take that unopposed.

Anyway, I caved, and went back on my nuva ring. I just couldn't stand the miserable symptoms.

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6/15/09 2:21 P

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Hello everyone. I am supposed to be the administrator of this team and I have been doing a sad, sad job. Part of that is because we were gone for three weeks, but the other part is because I have not been journaling or anything lately.

I started weaning myself off of Prempro in February...my doctor told me to do it slowly or that I would freak out from the hot flashes and mental issues. I came completely off HRT a little over a month ago, and while I am having several mini-flashes a day, it's not unbearable.

Mariposa, my doctor also told me that she could up my dose of Paxil to help with the hot flashes. She uses Paxil and Prozac, not as anti-depression drugs, but because they help with some of the physical symptoms of menopause. I am about ready to call her before the summer here in Arizona really heats up. We are also going to Albuquerque next month, and of course, none of our relatives have central air...LOL

I will try to be a better leader...good luck to you all.

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SUZADMS Posts: 45
6/15/09 12:27 A

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Breast cancer rates are high in young women who have been on estrogen (BCP) more than five years. Estrogen accumulates in tissue and most women have been on some form of it or have been exposed in utero (DES), or through plastics, and other mimics. It has been speculated that a women's cumulative life-time exposure of greater than 1,500 mg. of estrogen may be a tripper point for breast cancer as was shown in a 1980 study on two Los Angeles retirement communites (see PubMed- Ross RK, 1980). Endometrial and ovarian cancer may be triggered ever sooner. Also, breast cancer (as well as endometrial cancer) is associated with obesity, and estrogen is stored in fat cells. As women age, many become obsese and breast cancer rates go up. Alcohol use also enhances estrogen's effect.

Micronutrients work very well in synthesizing the right amount of hormones throughout life. They are working just fine for me and I will be 56 in July.

suzanne

Edited by: SUZADMS at: 6/15/2009 (00:28)
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6/14/09 11:30 P

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Yes time will tell who is right. If it turns out the med prof is wrong it certainly won't be the first or the last time.
Since estrogen is so bad why does the incidence of breast cancer go up after menopause?
Although truthfully nothing you say will convince me they are wrong. A certain amount of women will get cancer whether or not they are taking bioidenticals. Of course if they get cancer while on them it will be condemned and you will point to them as the sole reason. I have read much on both sides of the isle and choose to take them, period.

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6/14/09 10:17 P

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You are taking HRT. Bios are the same, just that the chemical formula is started and revved up in the lab from a plant, instead of being removed from a pregnant mare and put in a pill form. Who declared a plant was more natural than a horse? A horse is closer to a human in DNA than a plant. Chemistry is chemistry. Hormones are hormones. Even plastics mimick estrogen. The body doesn't care. The cells will bind plant or animal based hormones to receptors, whether exactly identical or close in chemical structure or not. They do the same thing. Increase cell division (hyperplasia).

We'll see if breast cancer rates begin to rise once again as women become guinea pigs again and go for the "bios."

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6/14/09 9:36 P

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Suzanne, while I understand you are passionate about this topic, understand too that we who take those dreaded bioidentical hormones are just as passionate in defending them.
Somers blames her hysterectomy on the fact she took the hormones in a static dose. There are many different ways to take them but to take them in a natural rhythm is the way most now take them. She has since switched how she takes them.
I never took HRT because I recognized the danger of taking hormones made from horse urine and synthetic chemicals. I am quite happy with my bioidentical hormones, thank you very much. If they shave 10 or more years off my life (which I don't believe) that's quite alright, at least I feel alive again. To me its all about quality and not quantity.

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5/28/09 2:18 P

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Peace and blessing to you too. However, I disagree. Hormones whether natural or not do the same thing-stimulate cell division. Suzanne Somer's just had her uterus removed for severe endometrial hyperplasia, a stage just before cancer, thanks to hyped-up bio-identical hormones.

suzanne adams
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5/28/09 1:42 P

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Personally I think those studies are representative of the fact that women are NOW using compounded hormones, bioidentical hormones, as opposed to the synthetic hormones that were causing all of the problems in the first place.

Synthetic is the culprit not bioidentical hormones. If someone can't get relief from the estrogenic foods, then bioidenticals are definitely a terrific way to go!

Peace and Blessings!

TJ

Edited by: SKEEWEEAKA at: 5/28/2009 (13:43)
Have a Beautiful, Blessed Day!

Could it be THYROID? www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/
Could it be VITAMIN/MINERAL Deficiencies? forums.wrongdiagnosis.com/showthread
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SUZADMS Posts: 45
5/28/09 9:34 A

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This just in regarding abandonment of HRT and the drastic drop in breast cancer rates:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/05/27/hea
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rss_health

Not to mention the decreased colon and uterine cancer as well as HPV which are related as well. Those studies will follow, no doubt in the near future.

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5/6/09 1:15 P

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Hello,

I read your post and Dr. Northrup suggest using flax seed or soybean and tofu products when trying to come off of hormones.

Have a Beautiful, Blessed Day!

Could it be THYROID? www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/
Could it be VITAMIN/MINERAL Deficiencies? forums.wrongdiagnosis.com/showthread
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5/1/09 9:15 P

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My experiment failed. I'm melting several times every night and during the day, too. The night ones are the worst, though, and I'm exhausted right now - from not sleeping well. I started back on the pills 2 days ago so hopefully tonight will be better. Rats.

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4/26/09 9:32 P

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The doc first put me on Prempro which messed up my periods and then the gyn said I was too young for Prempro and shouldn't be on it so I was put on Yaz. Then we moved and the new doc didn't want me on hormones for more than another year. She said I've been on then long enough (4 years??). Well, now she's moved and now I have yet another doc. I'll have to see what he says.

So those are the hormones I've tried - Prempro and Yaz.

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Have you tried a different kind of hormone? I tried coming off the patch once. I will never do that again. The migraines I got were horrible.

Cheryl

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MARIPOSALOCA's Photo MARIPOSALOCA Posts: 171
4/26/09 2:31 P

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Ok, it's been over 2 weeks since I've stopped taking the hormone pills and I'm not having fun. I think I counted 5 hot flashes during the night last night and a couple small ones during the day so far and it's only 12:30 in the afternoon! LOL I'm having one right now as I type. It's not too bad. The house is cool, so that's fine. I'm probably going to break down and start taking them again when summer hits because we don't have central air. (I'm in NM) I'll be camped out in front of the window unit all summer! LOL These power surges are something else! I don't know how much longer I can go with my sleep messed up. We'll see.

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