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11/10/13 1:45 P

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that is a good idea to do a practice run with the food and water - I will have to tell my partner about this so we can work this out

we have 3 weeks before our walk and need to do this

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8/17/13 7:10 P

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Wow! I had an awesome run! I don't know exactly why. I did plan it out to sort of simulate the water stops on race day. I had been running "someone's method" of run4 walk1 min as a way to try and control my breathing because of asthma, but I always seemed to lose my breath anyway. Today as I was beginning, I just started at a slower pace and kept running except for when I had a planned break for a water stop. The only time that I got out of breath really was on the hills and even then it was not bad. I finished the 12 miles and for the first time, I actually felt like I could go farther if I wanted to.

I used the Gatorade Chews, Gatorade, Trail Mix Bar and water. I planned it all out before I left the house, the time I would use each item. I don't know if the distraction of the fuel made it better or what but I am happy with the outcome. I ran the 12 miles in 155 minutes and I ran faster to the finish for once instead of falling over at the end.

I perhaps needed the extra fuel boost (I had no idea) and I am finding my pace I guess. I may not be fast but I can live with this pace. (I have a torn ACL and I cannot push myself too fast or my knee starts slipping) I am confident that I will finish the half and I still feel that 2.75 hours is in my reach. I will have to control myself on race day and try and stick to my pace.

Sorry so long. I will carry some of these items with me because as was said previously, I don't want to get to the stop and find them out and I don't want to try anything new on race day. 3 weeks to go!

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8/17/13 6:32 P

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Pitted dates are good too. Packed with sugar and pretty easy to eat.

I agree that eating does break up the monotony. It sort of gives me a mini-milestone to think OK, at mile 6 I get to have 6 chews or whatever.

Edited by: KAPELAKIN at: 8/17/2013 (18:34)
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8/17/13 7:28 A

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Great suggestions, thanks a bunch. Unfortunately I live an area where the nearest place to buy this type of stuff is an hour away. Who would've known. I went out searching and we have no running stores. We have a Natural Food Store and they have none of these products. They have a few bars but I'm looking for something faster. (I think the gels or chews work faster?) I even tried Walmart and the drug store but found even more of nothing.

The best that I could come up with is Gatorade Energy Chews from the Dollar General. So I bought them and will try them today on my long run, which is going to be 12 miles. I will still carry a bar with me in case I need it. I don't know if it is boredom or the need for a mental break or the need for energy, but the distraction/consumption of the bar sometimes helps a lot.

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8/17/13 12:36 A

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Kapelakin, I must admit that I have tried Honey Stingers and I found them to be ... too delicious. I just wanted to eat them immediately! So I don't let myself buy them :-P In other words - I want something that's not tasty enough to eat at home but is tasty enough while I'm out running. Sorry if that's not a factor to most people but it is to me!

Totally agree with your other observations/suggestions as well.

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8/16/13 11:50 P

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Pastafarian, have you every tried the Honey Stinger chews/gels? I had the same problem with the PowerBar chews being too chewy, and ShotBlox were too big and kind of gummy, but the Honey Stingers are just right both in size and consistency. I don't think I'd choke if I swallowed one whole, but they're easy to chew up without effort, and the pink lemonade flavor actually tastes pretty good, not cloyingly sweet. I do those around miles 4 & 6, then a Clif Mocha Gu around mile 9 since it has caffeine and seems to add one quick, final kick, though it is kind of tough to choke down.

If you're waiting to fuel until you "feel like you can't go on", you're definitely waiting too long. You want to fuel a good 30 minutes before you hit that wall, and you'll sail right through it.

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8/14/13 2:59 P

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I always did the refueling if my run was over an hour and started at a 1/2 hour, then about 20 minutes after that.

Definitely try different 'fuel'. First time I used Gu was a my first 6 mile run and I almost collapsed at how disgusting the feel was of super warm hot gu flowed down my throat. probably didn't help that it was orange 'cream' either. I then put the Gu in the freezer so the next time it was more of a solid mass that I was able to swallow and be done with! I have two other Gu's that I think will taste much better, but I'm still freezing them!

I have had Gu Chomps, but they were older so a bit firm. they took a long time to swallow as it more or less dissolved vs me chewing it. Takes your mind of stuff! I'm sure a fresher pack would go down faster!

I have done Sport Beans too. these were the easiest. Handful of jelly beans, yes!

Training for my first 1/2 now, I'll experiment on my 6 mile run and see if I need fuel or not. Good idea!

As for water, I have the Nathan 4 bottle belt and it doesn't bother me. I fill 2 w/ water and 2 w/ gatorade. When I ran the 10 Nautical Mile race, I wore the belt with only 2 bottles as they had stations, but I didn't want to be caught with them being out of water/gatorade as I have heard this does happen at some races.





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8/12/13 9:20 P

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Any place that sells running shoes is going to have the chews. Personally, I dislike the chews. Too chewy. :-)

Since it sounds like you don't need the energy but still want to eat, I would find out what the official aid is and try that. If it makes you happy, it will also address your goal of not carrying anything unnecessary with you.

To expand on what Nancy said, I don't need to eat anything to get through a HM but sometimes I do anyway. Depends on how I feel. And it can be plain fun to eat while running. (As you get into longer mileage, eating while running opens up new aspects of enjoyment.) And I like being able to partake in the fun stuff that sometimes appears at stations run by "more creative" volunteers.

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8/12/13 7:31 P

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Thanks everyone! I definitely was thinking that I should start making note of where the stations will be in my mileage and try to drink at those points during my training to see if that is enough for me. I like that idea.

As far as the energy goes, I do start feeling like "I can't go on" somewhere around mile 8 or 9, but it seems to get better. Maybe I will find some of the chews and try that at 45 minutes as you suggest Nancy. What do you look for in chews? Where do you find them? Natural food store? Sporting goods?

I do have a water belt but I don't think that I really like it. It always seems to shift around and it distracts me. (It is a Nathans Triangle, maybe I don't really know how to wear it correctly) I'll fight with it again tomorrow and see.

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8/12/13 9:21 A

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Given your premise, do your next long run more like the race, at race pace and drinking every 2 miles. That's the simplest way to find out for sure.




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8/12/13 9:20 A

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I do not refuel on my half-marathons, but I do take water with me--if you are waiting until mile 8-9 to eat a granola bar (probably high in fiber) your body is probably not getting a lot of energy from your bar to carry you through the rest of your race--mentally it may, but physiologically speaking you're probably waiting way too long--it takes about 30 minutes for your body to begin digesting and getting the nutrients into the blood stream from food--although gus, gels, honey, etc can get in and out of the gut much more quickly IF they are accompanied by water--not gatorade or powerade as they have carbs in these drinks--however, for some runners too much intake of quick absorbing carbs can cause big time GUT issues so you want to practice using something--and if you feel the need to refuel you probably want to start out a tad sooner--about 45 minutes or so into your run--and then every 15-20 minutes afterward--with a carb intake between 90-120 grams per hour.

That said, many people do not feel the need to refuel, so if you feel strong and you do not feel as though you are going to bonk, just make sure you stay hydrated.

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8/12/13 8:54 A

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I would bring whatever you're used to to eat. I've had gu's upset my stomach on a long run, so I wouldn't take a chance unless I know exactly what they'll be providing. For my 30K in a few weeks, I'm planning not to take water because it will be cool enough that I can hydrate at the aid stations, but I will wear an SPI belt with the same kind of fuel I use on my long run (Honey Stinger gels). If it's going to be over 60 degrees, I'd consider carrying some additional water so you won't have to hang around the aid station to hydrate. The cups are usually only a couple ounces and you might want more than that at 2-mile intervals if you're sweating a lot.

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8/12/13 8:45 A

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On my long runs, (anything over an hour), I wear a 4 bottle hydration belt. I fill two bottles with water and two with gatorade. I also carry a gel pack or two, but don't always use them.

I never carry liquids in a race but I will carry my own gels and chews if they are not provided. I make note beforehand of the mileage location of the fueling stations and what is provided and plan accordingly. If the race does not provide gels or chews that I am familiar with, I'll carry my own. A race is not the time to find out if an untested product agrees with you or not.

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For energy on long runs I carry the Honey Stinger chews with me. If I start to get thirsty, I find that the energy chews help the production of saliva which wets my mouth and gets me to the next station. So for me they are kind of a two-in-one.

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So there are aid stations at the 2, 4, 8 and 10 mile points with various drinks and goo.

I already know that I will carry my cell phone and asthma inhaler with me. (I hate carrying anything, especially drink) I really wonder if I should carry a drink or snack just in case. I have been doing my LR at a nearby State Park where I just stop at the next available water spigot whenever I get thirsty or need to cool off. I don't want to worry about not having what I need nor do I want to carry if not necessary.

I guess I am pretty much used to having the drink whenever I want it and I do eat a "Trail Mix" granola bar at about mile 8-9. I believe I will switch to another type of energy bar though for this week.

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