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IM I hope things have gotten better and no loose dogs on the run route.

I as a multiple dog owner am pissed when other folks don't take care of their animals. My 3 are big rough and tumble but gentle giants. I purposely got them acclimated to runners and people doing neighborhood stuff i.e. kids on skateboards, rollerblades, kids and adults running etc

I just know that in the summer they are outside longer and much more goes on. So that they are not barking at every little thing I tried as they grew to expose them to lots of different situations, noises etc.

Walker, joggers and the likes pass my house and my dogs will run along the fence, wagging tail and all - no barking and sit at the end of the fence as the joggers jog out of site.

I also know that dogs are pack animals and more explosive in groups another reason to get my dogs acclimated to lots of diffent sights and sounds - because they form a pack regardless - even though I may be the leader when we all are together, when we are not the highest ranking dog steps up - and any fear in any dog can trigger a pack attack.

Be cautious and very careful when you run. I had a dog that would not let me go down the street - he blocked me on both sides so I had to double back and go 2 miles out of my way to get home. He did not advance but as I tried to go a different way he blocked and barked. The only time he did not bark is in my retreat. So I retreated, fussed and cussed but was not going to challenge him in any way

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Thanks, Robert. Yes, I did contact authorities. Animal Control is still looking for the animals and I've also contacted the rabies control - not sure of official name. Anyway, I have a case number, etc. And, yes, doing ok. Thanks!

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Hey IM... i hope youre ok... if you havent already.. contact the authorities..

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The whistle might work, is there a way you can find out how loud it is in comparison, LOL.
It's definitely better than nothing but it's much higher pitched and probably not as scary or loud.
Part of the way to deal with this is to be a very aware runner and look around you occasionally. This is also why I recommend running without headphones/music. I can almost always hear dogs coming and just slowing down and not acting like prey helps a lot. In my anti-bite lesson for kids I tell them to act like a fence post: standing still, arms close to body or in front of face/chest, no eye contact, only yell for help if bitten or knocked down. If the dogs leave walk/back away slowly. Sometimes soft singing helps if you can do it.

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Thanks Birgit! Very informative, I had no idea about the pepper spray.
Do you think a loud whistle would work as well? I have a pretty loud whistle on my key ring which is quite small.

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That sounds very scary.

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I found a small air horn at a dollar store, not always in stock, though. I assume hunting and camping supply stores would have them, also boating supply stores.
Concerning the rabies, I personally would not worry about the shots, but you are right, there is always a first. Make sure you find out what the side effects of treatment are, they may not be pleasant, I only have a vague memory. Hopefully they find the dogs.
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Birgit, Thanks for all of the info. Wow! I have a lot to learn about dogs & attacks.

As far as these dogs, they still have not been found. Well, it's only been two days. I called the State Rabies Board and reported it (besides to Animal Control) and had a nice discussion about whether or not to get the post rabies shots. I have 7-10 days to wait and pray they find the dogs (or find them myself!) and make my decision about whether or not to get the shots. I don't remember if he said "in our county" or whatever, but there haven't been any cases of cat or dog to person transmission in over 30 years! But, there's always the first... And, I don't know about insurance but the main shot would cost $3,500! Plus a lot less for the other 4 shots. Anyway, still thinking & researching!

Again, thanks for the info! Do they make a small air horn? I'll be looking into that.

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I am speaking as a professional dog trainer. Do not rely on pepper spray or any other pain-causing spray. There is the risk of blowback which will make you even more vulnerable. Many dogs will get more aggressive when sprayed with pepper spray as pain will lead to fight or flight instinct. With dogs being predators rather than prey animals it's more likely fight.
Bear spray is no better. I recommend using airhorns, which are inexpensive and safer and will draw attention to you. There is a citronella-based spray available online which is not harmful to dogs and will work in moderate, but not severe cases of aggression.
Another thing that works is to "perfume" your pants with a strong citrus-smelling air freshener which most dogs dislike and will usually avoid biting into.
Call animal control and make sure the dogs are identified and the owner is found. If the dogs did not have a rabies vaccination the dogs should be put down to make sure they did not transmit rabies (through autopsy). Talk to your doctor about this to make sure.
If you encounter dogs on runs and see them, slow down, even to a standstill, and move away very slowly without giving direct eye contact (which aggressive dogs interpret as a challenge).
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I just worry about retaliation also from an owner. In this day and age, it seems too easy to file a lawsuit and actually win over some pretty ridiculous things.
I really hate when my run is ruined by a dog or dogs, thank goodness that is a rare occurrence.

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A hunting supply store sold me bear spray and swore it would work on dogs and is less harmful than pepper spray. It is a small canister that I can clip to my running belt. In Canada, pepper spray is illegal regardless so I had little options. I was attacked once too by a small bread dog, unleashed. He ran up on me and I never noticed! He bit my leg and ripped my skin. I understand your fear.

That being said, I also forget to bring it 90% of the time!

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Sorry about your encounter with the dogs. I spoke with a K9 officer about pepper spray after I was charge at by a dog. He said the pepper spray will only make the dog angry. There is a similar product that can be found at pet stores that he says is just as effective. Here is a link

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Horses, I know it would still be hard to spray a dog with pepper spray, BUT if a dog even jumps at me again and starts hurting me and biting, I absolutely would. If it was just scaring me? Harder call, but I'd probably grab it and be ready & do everything I could to not use it.

As far as dog's being hurt, they could KILL you!!! OK, probably a little yappy thing might just nip and hurt. But, a lot of dogs could kill. And, even if they don't, they could give you rabies, take chunks of skin, all kinds of stuff. You've got to keep yourself safe.

And, as far as the owners, these are dogs that are running lose (I doubt you'd be attacked by one on a leash or tied up). Yes, sometimes dogs get out, but often these are negligent owners with territorial or vicious dogs (that they probably think are 'sweet'). Maybe after this situation is further behind me I'd feel differently, but right now I wouldn't care WHAT the owners thought! Maybe they'd 'think' about keeping their dogs inside!

Sorry, of course this is still a very emotional topic with me.... Hope I'm not being offensive to anyone, but I think I'm thinking clearly.

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I have had this happen on more then one occasion and it stinks! I'm glad that you are okay. I have had to change routes more then once and the last time that it happened, I had to call home and ask someone to come get me because it was getting to sunset and I was so stressed and did not want to go back through the 9 dogs that I passed along the way.

It can be very scary to run like that. I have pepper spray and admittedly don't carry it very often. I know that I should. Mostly I just run where I know dogs are not.

Has anyone ever had to use the spray??? I am also concerned about what the owners may say and how the dog would suffer if I do use it. I know most dogs are probably okay, but how do we really know? I've been bitten more then once in my life and it really does scare me.

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Oh my God I'm glad you are okay. We moved to a very rural area last year and I've not left my house without mace ever since...and I'm still scared every day. Thanks for the post and hope you are well.

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Good reminder. Hope you are okay.

I have never carried pepper spray, but may consider it......

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Thanks for the reminder. I've gotten pretty lazy about bringing pepper spray/cell phone with me. It just seems so much easier to lace up and go, but it only takes that one time and when running alone, I too, should be more cautious.

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BlueRose, Great point! I 'patrolled' the neighborhood yesterday & this morning & warned joggers, walkers & those walking dogs about what happened. I can just imagine what this dog (or these dogs) could do to another dog! Glad you are carrying pepper spray!

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Hope you are okay. I run with pepper spray all the time. not only to protect me, but lulu too. She tends to get chased by dogs on the loose.

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TIA, The dogs were just running around the neighborhood (illegally) without collars so we don't know who owns them.

Thomas, I never saw these dogs coming until they were attacking me from behind. I have often changed routes, too. By the way, this happened 3 blocks from home and my neighborhood usually doesn't have dogs running around. It is against the law! But, there they were. I talked to another guy this morning who was walking & saw these 2 dogs yesterday & crossed the road & they left him alone. I'm not sure why they attacked... partly it seems to be because I was running. And, good point - I need to get peppe emoticon r spray AND learn how to use it!

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Good advice. I always run with pepper spray on my long runs. Fortunately I have not had to use it. On the rare occassions that a dog approaches me, they are usually fine if I stop running and speak calmly to them. I've even had one who at first appeared menacing, join me for a while, happily wagging his tail the whole way! It's definitely a concern though and has caused me to change course mid-run and permanently rule out certain routes that I could take.

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I was attacked by two dogs while running in my neighborhood yesterday. Please be careful out there! I'm glad I had my cell phone with me and wish I had pepper spray! I won't run without either ever again! (I posted more info on my blog.)

Be careful out there!!

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