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9/5/12 8:47 P

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I did contemplate the ER just to get my rings cut off.

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9/5/12 1:18 P

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Lots of good discussion here on hydration issues but what I find surprising is, given these symptoms (from the original post):

- "severe swelling"
- "hands felt tingly and very uncomfortable"
- "contemplated quitting"
- "fingers literally white with fluid and at least twice their normal size"

Given these symptoms, how could you *not* check in at a medical aid station?

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9/4/12 9:56 P

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Wow, some great information. Thank you all for your input. I believe I've done the very same thing and just chalked it up to having a BAD day, even though I trained and thought I was well prepared for the race.....maybe OVERLY so!!!!


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9/4/12 7:24 P

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Thanks for the info it was a very good read. I am going to cut back on my fluid intake and see if that helps out with the problem. I never had it as severe as I did this run so I was very worried about it. This was a struggle to get through this event.






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9/4/12 6:09 P

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Hi Donna,

Nausea alone is not a sign of overhydration--swollen hands, moodiness or agitation, weighing more at the end of a race than prior to the race, headache, vomiting, especially water. That being said, there are degrees of overhydration. Salt packets can help, but what happens is that many times people take the salt packets, which makes them thirsty and so they drink more.

Below is a link to Dr. Tim Noakes' , the premier expert on this topic, interview. I hope you all take time to read it.

www.outsideonline.com/blog/ou
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9/4/12 5:12 P

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I ran this race also and man it was sooo humid. I was nauseous fot the last half of it. I had one long run that I got nauseous also and thought it was dehyration or lack of fuel but now I wonder. There were stops on the course that they ran out of cups and or only had gateraide. I was surprised to see so many with medical issues.
Would the salt packs help out? I've never consumed salt for a run. I didn't have much swelling would you have both the swelling and stomach issues or can you just have 1 symptom? I'm running another half in PA in 7 weeks and I need to work out this problem.




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9/4/12 10:32 A

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Hi VIRGINIAGRETA,

Glad you are OK. The biggest lessons we learn are when we make mistakes, but it is so important that you spread the word to your fellow runners. And hey, don't feel too bad...many race directors push the fluid talk before hot races because over many many many years the myth that dehydration is a big factor of runners going down has been perpetuated. That being said, when I took my RRCA running coach's certification class, the talk was all about the dangers of over-hydration...and even elite athletes make this mistake...in fact I believe it was the Marine Corps Marathon a few years back where one of the elite runner's died within a mile of the finish line--cause of death--hyponatremia due to overhydration, not just from the day of the race, but the day before.

I hope you are feeling better...CONGRATS on the RnR finish!!!

HUGS!

Nancy

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9/4/12 9:47 A

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Thanks for the feedback! But WOW! That is scary! Nancy, those symptoms all fit. Having been running for a while, I didn't really think I would make this mistake, but clearly, I did. Normally when I run over 10 miles, I will have GU at about mile 6 and usually follow that with a little water. I don't really drink that much. But it was so hot and with all the "don't get dehydrated" warnings, I guess I didn't use my best judgement. AND, I really felt hot and thirsty and lethargic, so I of course assumed it was dehydration which caused me to drink more. I took two cups at every station, usually one water and one gatorade. I would drink one and part of the other then pour the remaining over my head. I really sensed that something was wrong, especially because I had to stop and walk, truly felt like I couldn't push on and wanted to quit (not in the typical hit the wall kind of way either). I have never had that feeling during a race, ever. My husband who finished the race well ahead of me, came back to find me because I was taking so long and he was worried. He stayed with me the last mile and basically held me up at the finish. I remember telling him I felt like I was in trouble, but don't really remember much of that last mile or the finish, other than hanging over a fence feeling like I was going to pass out. I did eat a salt packet at about mile 10 - that probably helped me.
Definitely good advice to get out to other runners - even those of us that feel like we've "been there done that" and know how to run a half and what to expect. Clearly, I made a HUGE mistake and it could have been really serious.






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Thanks for the post. I too ran the same race and had my hands swell much more than normal. Since I live in the area - I was used to the high humidity which I think helped me finished (though I did my fair share of walking as well). I didn't think it was possible for me to be overhydrated during the race as I only drank about 16oz of water prior to the race and then didn't drink at the stations unless I felt thirsty. I saw a lot of people with swollen hands and hope people are alright!

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9/4/12 8:18 A

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Hi,

I agree with John--one of the tell-tell signs of overhydration is swelling hands. Other symptoms include lethargy, moodiness, nausea, headache, weighing more at the end of a race than before, not being able to urinate, and if it becomes severe even vomiting of water. This has become such a wide-spread and dangerous issue that the RRCA and UST&F are trying to get the word out. The deal is, that many of the symptoms of overhydration mimic that of dehydration. The reality...there has been no documented cases of anyone dying from dehydration, however, the same cannot be said about overhydration. I am not trying to scare you, but make you aware.

Overhydration can lead to a severe drop in electrolytes. And while some people will use Gatorade or Powerade, the reality is these both can cause overhydration issues as they contain very little sodium and potassium.

Take care,

Coach Nancy

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9/4/12 6:32 A

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Yes it happened to me at Chicago Rock n Roll, my hands were same as you described. It was Over hydration, which can be very serious in some cases even death. I learned my lesson and never over drink water again.

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I ran the Virginia Beach Rock N Roll half this past Sunday. I experienced an issue that I have never had... severe swelling in my hands and fingers. It was 81 degrees with very high humidity. By mile 6, the swelling was pretty bad. My hands felt tingly and very uncomfortable. I made sure to hydrate at every station, always taking 2 cups. I don't think I was dehydrated but it was tough and people were dropping like flies. I ended up walking most of mile 9 and even contemplated quitting. I have never had to stop and walk during a race and had trained in heat and humidity. Anyway, I finished the race, but with fingers literally white with fluid and at least twice their normal size. It took about an hour post race and they returned to normal with no residual issues. Anyone else ever experience something like that or know the cause?





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