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4/7/11 3:32 P

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I'm jumping in this a little late, but here's my thoughts.

No I don't feel that there is one true path of Wicca. Have you seen the different sects out there? To each their own. I think that all have the right to follow whatever path of Wicca. As for my thoughts on Gardner, what he didn't borrow from other paths and in some cases religions, he pulled it out of thin air. Wicca is relatively new (1950ish, I think), but beyond that, who really cares? (and please don't bash me if I'm wrong)

I personally think that labels are just fine, as you are ok with it. I can never really label myself. . . There are so many labels that would cover me. I have just found it easier to say that I am following the Pagan path. If someone asks if I am Wiccan, I can say yes.

But a title or a label means not much to me. The Goddess and God never said to me that I needed to be labeled. When we speak, they don't ask me to clarify what I call myself. They just ask that I believe in them and follow my path to its truest form.

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1/7/11 3:07 P

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Well said. Thank you for such beautifully expressed clarity.

Too many religious practices today...including Wicca...are 'defined' by some practitioners by a 'have it your way' philosophy. Water is wet and fire is hot. Some things are best appreciated for what they are rather than what someone would like them to be.

"Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon."

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11/22/10 1:21 P

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Er...as a Dianic Wiccan, I find the concept of "polarity" not useful. All energy is a continuum I choose to call "Goddess".

3-fold (9-fold, 10-fold, etc.) return concept is fairly universal amongst Wiccans, regardless of trad, as is the concept of personal responsibility.

And most Wiccans give at least lip-service to respecting Nature - Earth - Mother.

If you have seen the movie "Avatar", there are concepts expressed there that are common to many Wiccans.


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11/2/10 12:03 P

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Many people, I find, tend to blend witchcraft, Wicca, and many aspects of paganism under "Wiccan" as a blanket discription, which leads to confusion among those who do not seek pagan paths as well as new pagans. I think it is worth it for the pagan community to clarify that Wicca is indeed a religion unto itself, and though the practices of many Wiccans are quite eclectic and may vary dramatically, Wicca is by definition agreed upon these things

It is a divinity centered religion that views the universe as a polarity masculine/feminine and this is the way it relates to nature.

It teaches the three fold rule.

Not all witches, however, and certainly not all pagans are Wiccan.

Within Wicca, varying traditions may argue amongst themselves what does and does not define who is or is not Wiccan, and solitaries may do as they will according to their general philosiphy, much to the chagrin of certain trads. The fact that there is no doctrine other than the three fold rule leaves much room for interpretation and debate between traditions.

I love being an eclectic, non-Wiccan solitary. I live simply by "do what thou wilt" and respect others enough to allow them the same freedom that I expect without judgment.

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10/25/10 9:11 A

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This discussion puts me in mind of a conversation I had a while back with an acquaintance who became very active in a small evangelical Christian church after a youth spent in drinking and debauchery.

He expressed his sorrow that I was not "Christian" and told of his other friend who had also become "Christian".

I asked him what his friend had been before he had become Christian, and he replied "Catholic".

I said "Catholics are Christian, too."

He looked very puzzled and replied "They are?"







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10/20/10 11:22 A

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Well, then here's an early Happy New Year to you!

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I really am unsure what I am. I am just now realizing that the Wiccan path suits my needs and am ready to follow it. I love the healthy respect for nature, health etc. I'm ready to really celebrate Halloween correctly for the first time in my life. emoticon

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10/8/10 10:56 A

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I am not sure what I am. My belief is that everyday should be lived without regret and in a way that brings one in balance with the lord and lady. I firmly believe in equivalent exchange as it is the principle that balances everything in the world.

Try Not Do or Do Not There is No Try. -Yoda

I have not yet begun to fight! -John Paul Jones

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I'm not exactly sure what to call myself. I grew up in a home with both Catholic and Baptist influence, always wondering which, if either was right and am now a Unitarian Universalist with Pagan leanings. I do Reiki energy healing, so have at least a basic understanding of how energy works. Also, I have recently been drawn to read T. Thorn Coyle's books and listen to the podcasts on her website.

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9/26/10 4:05 P

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I completely agree that Wicca has evolved over the years. That's what religion does; it evolves. The Christian churches today look nothing like the small churches that met in people's homes two thousand years ago. The same thing is happening with Wicca; it's changing. Some people may see it as a bad thing, but I personally see it as a very good thing. Wicca is a wonderful religion, and people should have the opportunity to learn more about it and practice it if they so wish, without the politics of needing to become initiated into a coven (unless they want to, of course).

Anyway, yeah, there is a group on another website I'm on who reject anyone who says they're anything but a Gardnerian Wiccan as being Wiccan. It bugs the living crap out of me, but what can you do? You can only debate so much.

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9/23/10 2:40 P

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Coming from a Lutheran tradition, I am all too familiar with the horror of religious intollerance. People died at the stake, and they weren't witches, they just wanted to read about their own religion in their own language.

I love the Wiccan Rede.

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Helsdottir,

Yes, absolutely.

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Pagan is a blanket term for a type of religion and has many sects underneath it. Just like Christianity has many different kinds under it. Wicca is a type of Pagan. Not all Pagans are Wiccan but all Wiccans are pagan. (some disagree with that but it holds true for the most part) Wicca does have an actual dogmatic scheme to it. Within Wicca there are even more separations like Dianic and Gardenarian.

I am pagan but not Wiccan. I'm a Ceremonial Magickian, more specifically, Thelemic. Which brings my comment about your Wicca comment and Crowley. Crowley was about as far from Wiccan as you can get and still be Pagan. Thelema is the religious aspect of what I do and Ceremonial magickian is the magickal part of it. Sort of like Christians and Christian Mysticism.

That's my 2 cents. :)

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"witchcraft is not a path, but the forest through which paths pass."

Great metaphor, LL. May I quote you?


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ForestLiving,

It's all well and good that you found a Gardnarian coven that fulfills your needs. It's not that I have a problem with how you define your religious path, but I do have a problem with someone defining my path for me. I do have a problem with someone who tells me I must worship the Horned God and his Consort to be a Wiccan. I do happen to worship a Horned God, but his name is Pan, not Cernunnos or Herne. I do cast a circle I do put the elements in the direction I feel is appropriate, and I do follow the Wiccan Rede. And that says "if it harms none do what thou wilt." That is the only tenant of Wicca that most Wiccans can agree on. So if I wish to worship Hecate and other Greek and maybe some Norse Gods as well, doesn't that fall under the "harm none" rule? That was my point with this thread.

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I extremely dislike being pigeon-holed into someone's narrow mindedness.

I believe in the three fold, and the Wiccan Rede makes more sense to me than the King James.

I do think that some peoples desire for attention and power make them want to make others feel bad about them selves so that others join them 'because it's the onnly path' ~REALLY!whatever!

Each to their own, I do not judge. Nor do I really worry about what other people think about me.


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First, Hi, how are you? I hope you're reaching all of your goals!

I'm new here. Please don't take offense to my post and I use 'you' for lack of a better word in English. I'm sure you're thoughtful about your spirituality and I'm not attacking you or anyone else. Do I seem shell shocked from pagan websites?

I'm a 2* Gardnerian and was initiated six years ago into a coven that's continuously operated since the 1970's. I searched my whole life for a Gardnerian coven and have found it to be a fulfilling, magical, family-like experience.

I believe you don't have to be initiated into a lineaged coven to call yourself Wiccan. And as far as I care, anyone can call themselves a Witch.

However, if a witch is drawn to the Wiccan path, then why would she want to change it to fit herself? Wouldn't it then cease to be the Wiccan Path? Wouldn't you lose something by skipping the hard parts? the aspects that require contemplation or going outside your comfort zone?

Let's use Sparkpeople as an example: I'm drawn to it but I don't like eating healthy and exercising. I think I'll start a group for people who starve to lose weight and don't exercise and call it Sparkpeople. Please note, I'm not saying to follow another spiritual path is equivalent to anorexia. Call a thing what it is.

If Wicca is defined as "anything I want it to be" then it has no definition. Feel free to concentrate on worshiping the Goddess and call yourself Wiccan but don't say there is no God. Cast a circle and call Water in the North but please don't say there is no need to ever cast a circle and call yourself Wiccan. Call yourself something else. Why wouldn't you?

It's a small step from 'Wicca's anything I want' to I'm a dragon trapped in a woman's body and I'm also a vampire and that's what Wicca is. If you look far enough online, you will find people that very nearly match that description.

Blessed Be!

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I'm still in the "year and a day" portion of my journey. But from my understanding, witchcraft is not a path, but the forest through which paths pass. I feel that people should be honest with themselves and do what they are drawn to. Spirituality is such a personal thing, and it seems strange to me to follow any kind of "directions" from anyone else.

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Thank you all for your responses. I appreciate it.

It's not so much that I "blame" the English for having such a rigid definition of Wicca, but just pointing out why this particular individual may have. The pagans in the UK are still heavily influenced by Gardner and Crowley. Three and a half years ago, I was dating an Englishman who had been initiated into a coven by witches who were initiated by Crowley. Granted he had been 17 or 18 at the time, so this was in the early '80's. They were especially influenced by him, and if he didn't write the ritual, they didn't do it.

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I don’t call myself Wiccan because my beliefs & practices do not line up even the most general Wiccan practices. ie. I do not call scribe a circle, call quarters or Draw Down the Moon. However if I’m filling out a form & Wicca is one of the options, I chose it rather than other for simplicities sake. Wicca (at least in the US) has become the umbrella for many pagan faiths.

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I follow a path most commonly called Druidcraft, an intersection of Druidism and Wicca, started in England so don't blame the English for inflexibility. There are intollerant people in all places and religions.

My oldest and deepest spiritual influences are still Christian. I derive a lot of spiritual wisdom from the Bible.

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I am Dianic Wiccan. I get really tired of folks who claim to have the only true Wiccan path...it sounds so...Christian...doesn't it?!!!

I am Dianic, because that is what resonates with me. It is part of my tradition that everyone must seek his/her own path. It is not for me to say that mine is The Right Path..it's just the right path for me.

I would say that most Wiccans of any path would agree that to be Wiccan is to be a lover and respecter of Nature and Earth, to be responsible for one's own choices and actions, to recognize that we have the power to create the life we want, that all choices have consequences, etc.

Wicca is a religion of actions that are in accordance with certain principles. Whether you "believe" in one Mother Goddess, a God and Goddess pair, many Goddesses, many Gods and Goddesses, spirits, totems, guides, no deities at all, etc. is absolutely not the point.

The point is that whatever spiritual metaphor one chooses, it be one of personal choice that assists in living a Wiccan life of responsible action that is life-affirming and respectful of Nature and each other.

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I agree with you. We're each on our own path and that's one of the reasons most people choose to follow Wiccan or Pagan religions. I would just back out of that conversation and let him or her argue with him/herself.

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Okay, I've been having a discussion on another website with an individual about what beliefs constitute Wiccan beliefs, and who "fits" the Wiccan label and who doesn't. This other person feels that Wicca is a very structured religion, must believe in a God and a Goddess, that the God and Goddess are the supreme ultimate beings and are supreme in power. Yet in my belief there is no true Wiccan path...if one feels connected to the Wiccan religion, that is what one should call themselves.

Granted this other person is from the UK, and therefore may be under the belief that the only true Wiccan path was the one set down by Gardner and Crowley. However I personally believe that Wicca has evolved from that, just as Christianity has evolved to some extent.

What are your feelings? Do you believe there is one true Wiccan path or do you feel that each individual has a right to call the path they follow Wiccan no matter how divergent it is from Gardnarian Wicca, if that individual feels the label is appropriate?

Edited by: RHOANDERSONSTIM at: 9/14/2010 (07:33)
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