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8/28/09 5:24 P

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I personally choose not to practice skyclad. And if I was working with a group I would not feel comfortable at all with it personally. I do understand those who do choose and feel it makes them closer to nature, but that is not something that would work with my personal practice.

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Oh - it's not that I object to dancing around naked by the way. Not a nudist, but not a prude either. kinda hard to do w/neighbors! Where we used to live we didn't have any, lived on a wheat farm. It was wonderful. I remember the first time I went outside shirtless. Ah. That was liberating! DH didn't get it, had to explain that since I was what? 10ish, 11ish? I hadn't been outside without something covering my upper half. For the girls to be free in the sunshine! emoticon

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8/28/09 5:05 P

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Thank you for your reply. That seems so mundane and shallow. I do appreciate the input and info, helps to find a perspective I guess.
I would very much like to explore this further but now is not a good time since I'm at work - too many distractions. Need some quiet time to get my thoughts somewhat in order.

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8/28/09 4:21 P

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There is no one way to practice, Mamie. You never have to use any specific tools. There are hundreds of ways to celebrate any Sabbat. Some Covens are very strict, which is why I don't care for them. We are all individuals and we all need to find what feels comfortable to us and what we personally need.

Pretty much it is simply viewed if you follow and believe in the Rede you are Wiccan. If you follow a specific Wiccan Tradition. Those who don't follow the Rede are classified as Pagan, and then the individual paths from there. That is the only one actual "rule" in Wicca is Harm None. As long as you understand that every action has a reaction and that what you put out comes back. Negative energy begets negative energy and positive energy begets positive energy, that is pretty much it as far as rules go.

Working skyclad or with specific tools is totally up to the practitioner regardless of if you are Pagan or Wiccan. Some paths do tend to lean towards specific tools depending on who put the tradition together or what part of the world they are from or even what the focus ofd the practice is, however there is no one set of rules that says you have to have such and such a tool or dance skyclad under the full moon. Anyone who tells you that anything is a must has no idea what they are talking about.

How you choose to classify yourself is a personal choice. If you follow the Wiccan Rede, Harm None and all that then you can choose to call yourself Wiccan. If you do not follow the Rede and believe it is fine to work with negative energy depending on the purpose, then you can choose the term Pagan.

To me that is pretty much the simplistic cut and dry difference. It never has anything to so with what you choose to use tool wise or what you choose to wear, but your purpose.

Labels are just that, labels. You don't have to consider yourself any specific label at all. I am eclectic. I bring into my worship Pagan, Wiccan, Celtic, Classic, and even Christian beliefs. When asked I state I am Wiccan, even though I tend to lean more towards Neo-Pagan because I do believe there is a time and place for any form of magick. As long as you know how to keep a balance and you are not doing something out of spite. Always knowing the consequences and ready to accept them.

At the school I run I try to help people pave his or her own way, I don't tell you what to believe, but make sure you understand what it is you believe. The Degree Program I run is not for any specific religious view, it is to understand the basics in the Intro course and help you learn to branch out from your foundation and create something that is personal just for your specific spiritual needs.

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8/28/09 2:19 P

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Not offended by any means! Jealous in a way. Sometimes it's good to be loud and proud! Liberating. And we shouldn't have to hide or deflect our belief's.
I don't really know what path I follow. Started with Wiccan as a solitary, but don't feel, um, directed to the "stuff" that goes with that. The physical things like the staff, cauldron, knives etc. The ritual and rules of how to set up an alter, which chant to use for what fesitval, what color the alter cloth needs to be. I haven't observed a fesitval or holiday in years. I communicate w/the Goddess and her consort daily and they with me. Not so much a druid, not sure what I am. Part of what turned me off on christianity is the "rules" and what I was finding was a lot of rules in Wiccan too. To join a coven you had to do this, to celebrate Samhain you had to do this. Just not going to go dance naked under the full moon at midnight. Not without being seriously tanked first. So, I just kind of float along in some kind of weird religious fog.
I find the irony in christianity and the pagan belief's it usurped to be quite amazing and wonder how these christian's can deny the obvious? Study your own faith's history! See what it stole and corrupted to it's own benefit and trampled on.
Anyway, that's where I'm at. Sort of confused and maybe that's why I keep it so much to myself.

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Like the ocean, moonlight, stars and clouds"
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8/27/09 9:58 P

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No, I am sorry Gunivera, I meant no offense by my comment. I was not trying to insinuate that you are loud by any means. My comment was not pointed towards anyone.

For my family, my dad being a minister my mother is an ex-nun. My mom's side are all Irish Catholic and my father's side is Lutheran and my parents are Methodist. (Very eclectic). My entire family knows about my religious views and have had no issues with it. My in laws also have always been aware, and I was surprised that my husband's extended family were unaware. It was actually only last month when my husband's family outside my in laws and his siblings (they have all known since he and i were dating). Apparently some of them do have issue with it, so Labor Day weekend will be interesting, but I am not really concerned about it. By now they have all known me for 15 years so if they have liked me this long without knowing then there shouldn't be an issue, I mean I have been practicing since before I met them all, so I haven't changed at all LOL.

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8/27/09 8:31 P

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Oh goodness. I hope I didn't come off that I am overly "loud" about it. I'm not. I don't go out and announce to the world who and what I am. If it comes up I have no problem talking about it.

Maimie, not sure if you were asking me or not about family, but mine is great, for the most part. My parents are very supportive and we raise the kids Pagan. My kids' teachers have even included some Pagan things in holiday word searches and such. We are also able to take the kids out of school for holidays, though we really only take them out for Samhain and Yule, if it's feasible. The toughest challenge has been my sister. She went from being Wiccan to Born Again, and now she's somewhere more toward liberal Christian.

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8/27/09 3:49 P

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Good for you and I agree. I'm generally not blatant about anything in my life so it would be out character for me to scream it also.
How's your family take it? I wasn't raised in a religious household but they consider themselves christian. Anything not mainstream tho is just too much. I don't bring it up with them.

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8/27/09 2:52 P

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I always feel there is a time and a place for everything. If you don't mind being in the middle of controversy and dealing with any negative situations then by all means be as loud as you want about it. Some people like that sort of attention. Other people just don't want to have to deal with it, so simply keeping it to your self is perfectly fine as well. There is nothing wrong with it.

I personally find a comfortable balance. I don't keep quiet nor do I shout it. Sure I wear a small pentagram and have a "My other car is a broomstick" bumper sticker, but if there is a religious conversation that is going on I let people do what they want, unless I am asked and then I will politely start with my dad is a minister, then if it is pressed I will simply and politely state my view. If anyone has issue with it, I smile and nod and let them get it out of their system, and if it gets to the point of annoyance for me, I simply state I am grateful for their opinion, but I simply do not agree, and if they would like to discuss this further and have a communication where they listen as well as talk that I will be more than happy to set something up with them if the function we are at is not the appropriate place for it (such as a school or work gathering).



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8/27/09 1:42 P

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I envy your position to be open about it. At the same time tho, it really is a private thing for me. This is really the first time I've even talked about it and even here I don't a whole lot. This is unusual for me in that generally I'm an open book. I don't know what I call myself, a preacher friend of mine calls me a heathen and that works. He doesn't know the full extent of my feelings and I don't hold his calling against him. emoticon
Living here in white bread conservative rural America it's just - safer? Small towns are bad enough. Just best to not invite controversy.
I do have to say tho, knowing I could come to this team and vent is a wonderful thing. Thank you all for that!
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8/26/09 10:56 P

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I handle things very differently I suppose. I'm an elected officer (President) of a Pagan Non-Profit. I've been interviewed for several newspapers and have been on our local tv station. If it comes up, I talk about it openly. I'm definately blessed.

I certainly understand why not everyone either can or wants to handle things as head-on as I am able to. I've been lucky. I commend you for how you handled your situation. My approach would probably have had them clucking like hens and praying for my soul. emoticon

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"I can prove we're living in the End Times. Just look at all the a$$es standing around here!"

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8/24/09 5:47 P

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I was laughing inside when she was giving our societies lack of morals as an example of why we're in the End Times. Um, they said that in the 1860's as well. It wasn't just the 1960's that were about free love. Just take a gander at the history books to find examples of End Times. Funny tho how these "signs" are only in Christian countries. hmmm. Wouldn't they be universal?
I was glad I was able to make a graceful exit - really did have to check on the dogs, the neighbor had put them out for us. No one has mentioned it to me today so they must not be concerned for my immortal soul! hehe. What they don't know won't hurt me...

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Celtic, I agree with you regarding her position on it. Unfortunately, I just can't leave with a bang! And oh boy! don't I pay for it! LOL

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I would have walked away as well. There are so many people who are convinced that we are living in ‘the end times’. If you look at history it happens periodically and they’ve been wrong each time. Not that you can tell the current batch that.

Your ‘stock answer’ is both tactful and gentle


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I dont know if you can do that in your area, but you could start saying that you do not think appropriated to discuss religion at workplace. Religion is and should remain a private subject.

I do not live in a conservative area and the first, and only, time somebody suggested a prayer before an employee function I said I did not think it was appropriated and it was never tried again.

I dont think it is easy to convince Christians (in its majority) to respect your different faith. It is a difficult job.

Other than that, I think you handled it very well. I know I wouldnt have. I hope they live you alone from now on.


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8/23/09 1:29 P

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Thank you everyone! I so needed to hear from like minded people! I was actually feeling a little polluted that night. My rantings driving home were not so tactful I can tell you! I understand that it's part of their religion but really. Stop already! My boss is a Mormon and we have some interesting conversations sometimes. He doesn't know quite the entire truth about my beliefs which is fine. He jokingly offers to send the missionaries to my house. I not so jokingly told him they'ld be met with a shot gun...
At least the christians are only trying to save our souls, not blow us up in the effort.

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Woke up and realized this world's not so bad after all
Looked at it through a child's eyes, and I saw these beautiful
Things that you never think about
Like the ocean, moonlight, stars and clouds"
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8/22/09 5:56 P

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I totally agree!
I've been in that position many times & it doesn't seem to matter where you live. "Those People" are everywhere! Where we are quiet about our personal beliefs, usually, unless someone asks, their belief is that everyone MUST "be saved."
Unfortunately, I don't always handle it as well as you did. My buttons can often be easily be pushed, sad but true!
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8/22/09 4:40 P

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Due to the circumstances I feel you handled it spot on. It is important for us to stand up for ourselves, but to do so in a tactful and respectful manner, and you did just that, so good for you!

Usually if I am in a sticky situation where I am not sure how my views will be handled when I am asked about what church I go to, I take the easy way out and simply state my father is a minister. Usually that defuses the situation. However if i am pressed, and that has only happened once by my brother-in-law I just say the truth. . He just thought I was nuts and never brought it up again LOL.

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Good move. I hope I would have handled it as well myself.

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I think you did the right thing, and handled it better than I would have. I think you handled the situation very tactfully and I agree with you that a persons religious beliefs are personal and no one's business but their own. I had a new friend ask me recently if I go to church. I said no and when she asked why not (she wasn't being accusatory, just friendly conversation)I told her that my husband is christian but doesn't feel the need to go to church to have a relationship with god and that I am not christian. I don't live an a very closed minded area so I guess I never worry about what people are going to think but I am pretty sure I stepped in it when I told her that because now she wants to talk about why. I don't know if she is the type of person who will just listen and accept or if she is going to be a Jesus advocate so I am now dreading this conversation. We agreed that where we were wasn't the time to talk about it (memorial day picnic with lots of people around) Maybe I should take a page out of your book and tel people I swim in a different pond too. I like that line lol. But I think your "stock answer" is perfect.

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So, I was at a after-work party last night and amoung a group of ladies the conversation turned to religion - specifically "we're living in the end times" kind of thing. Very strong conservative Christian stuff which is totally fine, just not my belief's. I got called away to take some pictures (thank the Goddess!) and had to leave after that anyway. One of the ladies asked why I wasn't re-joinging the discussion and I made some noise about having to get home and that I swim in a different pond. So one of the other ladies suggested I was leaving due to fear and I said no - Respect. I overheard one of the other ones say something about must have been raised catholic.
What I didn't say was that I was leaving out of respect for myself and my beliefs. While I respect theirs, I know it would not have been reciprocated and would set myself up for some very uncomfortable days at work had I of said anything else. I live in a very conservative area. White bread, go to church on Sunday, there is only one way to live your life that's appropriate. There are a lot of Mormon's in the area and they're tolerated but to the majority of the "Christian's" in the area they're borderline. Last thing I need is for it to be known that A) not a christian and B) consider myself a solitiary pagan. Don't need a burning cross on the lawn, religious crap in my mailbox (get enough of that from my sister-in-law), or just general troubles if you know what I mean.
How does everyone else handle things like this? My stock answer is that my religious beliefs are very strong, personal, private and I don't need to go to a church to practice them. Cause you do get asked a lot which one you belong to.

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To put on my happy face

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Things that you never think about
Like the ocean, moonlight, stars and clouds"
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