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We actually schedule our "Stop & Smell The Roses" rides often on Sunday afternoons, which are our shorter, more laid back rides. Saturday mornings are definitely the longer, more serious rides.

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Don:

I am amending my last post.
A large part of your target age group are families with children. I bet you have your club rides on Saturday mornings. If you do, you'll always compete with family activities: taking kids to sports, shopping, household upkeep. You're asking parents to come to give up precious family time to come to a ride that can last for 3-4 hours. Why would they do that?

Maybe if you had short family rides on Sunday afternoons after all the chores are done, church is over, etc., you might have more takers.

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Wow! Great ideals everyone. I am going to steal, oops! use these for our new bike coalition we we just started last month. You might think about a bike coalition which can include rides and other activities such as improving bike infrastructure. Also look into putting on bike rodeos at the schools - you could get families interested in the club.

Remember: young folks will ask: what's in it for me???

BTW: I have been riding for many years and I average @14 mph. So I shake my head when you all say the no-drop ride has a 13 mph average. A beginner no-drop ride should be closer to 10 mph average.

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Just catching up (finally) to thx everyone for your input...hopefully we'll be able to "re-invent" our club and breathe some new life into our membership!

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A different approach regarding this issue.

Think about superior customer service. Provide the best experience possible to ensure a broad membership base. Get a plan, a target, and execute that plan.

A few things to look at.
-The Chat ride, 13, 15 and 17 mph average? Use the same safe route, cut off points to return if you have issues or want to cut the ride short. Full loop 20 to 25 miles, cut off for 16 and 10. No drop. 3 or 4 leaders. Start off with a 3 mile warm up. Two rides up shoulder to shoulder (unless a car is back inside rider up, outside rider falls behind for single file). The pace is easy and very steady. Two leaders up front, one floating and helping newbies, one in the rear to be the watch dog/sweeper. In the 1st three miles the group is evaluated and the pace will be generated from that info. Try to keep the group tight, no gaps, if a gap happens you fill it asap. The guy in the rear tells the front to pick it up or slow it down. If things get away you can have the front guys hold it at a stop sign. We got some small walkie talkies set of 3 for doing group rides and yearly rides.

-Bike handling classes in a large parking lot with cones and sponges. Play games, figure 8, emergency stops, stop-start, bunny hops, going around, great basic class for beginners to learn and advanced to teach. All others just have fun and brush up on skills. Sponges are great, if you run them over no problem. Easy to carry, just crunch them up.

Nobody sucks, you need the right kind of motivation to move forward.

We had such a group. A lady joined and never rode a bike, was really overweight. All season she tried and tried. Learned and learned as well as coaching on these group rides. By this time the entire group went from a 12 mph average to almost 17.5 in mid September. She was asked to take a turn at the front with one of the leaders. She rode 2 miles up there, red in the face and as happy and proud as she could be. Just being asked motivated her to do a duathlon. This is the power of positive group.


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Hmmm... I really got into riding as an 'older' rider .... and also admit ... I am intimidated by joining a ride group because I think I will suck.

But... to play along and hopefully win a consolation prize on this post... :) ...

What about having a booth at an event ride that promotes your ride group? I find that event rides (not necessarily races) garner a lot of family riders and solo riders who are looking to start up. Maybe if your group can get a booth up to promote it might help?

I know my wife and I find out about a lot of rides via this type of outreach. Oh ... often, if flyers are left at the ride events too...not necessarily a booth.

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10/16/13 10:14 A

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One of our members runs a bike shop and he has held bike repair workshops in the past...definitely oughta plan for that again. Usually we do this in the Winter when cycling slows down.

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How about holding a seminar? Something like bike maintenance, tire changing emoticon , road safety - something like that

also you cannot have too many pictures on FB

I like the idea of having maps out there.

The group I've been riding with is a no-drop. I can hang with them for most of the ride, but about halfway back there is this hill and slowly the pack pulls away. I end up riding with the sweeper aka babysitter that last part. I don't mind this. I like that better than thinking that because of me everyone else is having to slow down.

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10/15/13 3:45 P

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Use different bait!

How about an iPhone or Android ride. You give locations and they have to find it, door prizes. Get LBS to donate or Trek, you get it.

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We have a weekly "Stop & Smell The Roses" ride which is low-key and the emphasis is on enjoying oneself and club members chit-chat and ride along side newcomers.

Also we have a grading system for all of our rides which gives a clue as to the speed, hills and difficulty of the ride. Our ride leaders are very diligent to ensure no riders are dropped. In fact most ride leaders "lead from behind" and they opt to be the last one in the queue of riders.

I remember once a new rider disappeared altogether without letting anyone know. It turned out that he arranged for someone to pick him up and never informed any of us...a major worry! We all were held up waiting for him while some rode back to see if they could find him.

Great ideas & suggestions everyone! Really appreciate it! If anything else occurs to you please jump in! All contributions gratefully accepted! :-)

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I doubt that you are like that Don, but Derbymom has a good point.

I found a couple of cycling groups here...my sister suggested meetup.com (that's where she hosts her mommy group)
All of the rides that I found that were already scheduled tell you flat out that they do not want beginners. They won't even post the route so that a beginner like myself can go in advance and see if I could keep up or have a remote chance of tackling the hills.
There is WAY more to riding than just getting on and peddling...as I am STILL finding out, lol! For someone like me, it can be very intimidating.

Following this line of thought, you might want to stress in your 'advertising' that you are welcoming to beginners....maybe even going so far as to have a get together at a restaurant or something that doesn't involve riding at all...just a group get together to help newbies with the basic stuff like seat padding, bike maintenance, how to fix a flat, or even a discussion on safety equipment....helmets, lights, butt padding, etc.

Edited by: _MOBII_ at: 10/15/2013 (12:35)
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Part of the problem is numerous cycling clubs have so many long-time established members (50-70 years old) that will not ride at a "welcoming pace" to younger/newer cyclists. Lots of oldsters are set in their ways and refuse to change for anyone, or remotely adjust their pace in order for potential new members to feel comfortable joining. It's very intimidating to younger folks and women. Even on "beginner rides" it's discouraging when a "no drop" ride is actually "we are leaving you now, but will wait for you to make it to the next intersection." Takes the fun out of it when you work hard to catch up, everyone else has already had their rest/drink, and as soon as you get there, they immediately take off, returning to the pace that left you behind. Good team coaches don't leave their players to practice solo. Should be the same for cycling. If we want the clubs to survive, we must be more patient, accepting, and more willing to share information and teach the etiquette involved. We must have established members ride alongside the newbies, encouraging & teaching - NOT pushing & preaching.

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Young chicks, young guys on the pics! Interest Up!!

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10/14/13 1:40 P

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Well, our club DOES have a FB page...perhaps load 'er up with more pics & videos...?

But then they would see how OLD we are...lol.

Don

Edited by: DDOORN at: 10/14/2013 (13:41)
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Yea you're totally going to have to get on this internet thing the kids are into these days. ;-)


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Check out these folks...

flockofcycles.org/

bike party/family friendly bike ride, perhaps?

try a bike jamboree?





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Don,

I have something shocking to tell you: When I first joined our local cycling club a few months ago, the first event I attended was the Labor Day Picnic. This was my first biking event. I was shocked and amazed that all the people there were old people! Just like me! Everybody was gray-haired and the age range seemed to be 50 to 70!

The only young people I saw there (who did not have gray hair) were 3 men, perhaps in their 30's, who sat over on one side by themselves.

"Wow! thought I, "These are the Baby Boomers! Our population is indeed aging."

Well, that was my experience. . . .

I do agree that we must get more young people involved.

If only they knew what joy they are missing!

Oak Ash and Thorn

p.s. Went on a ride this afternoon, 14.4 miles on a new trail. Very nice!




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Some good ideas here...thx everybody! We'll continue to plug away! The younger folks around our area don't know what they're missing! :-)

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Maybe flyers at places that younger people hang out? Starbucks or Panera? I don't know about Starbucks, but the Panera here has a bulletin board by the restrooms that anyone can post items.

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I'd say put out some flyers at local colleges or even high schools, that's when the cycling bug bit me. Get some events going and gear them to the younger set, rather than just group rides to the same routes. I'm not sure your location, but here's what I've seen.

The last MLS game I went to there was a group of cyclists that arrived and met their "support" team who already had the grills going. After some food and cerveza (and a change in the truck) they all went to the game. Seemed a great idea to me and one that would work for any tailgating event.

Multi-day events with stops at B&Bs on the way.

Pancake rides. Pick a diner with good pancakes and ride to breakfast.

Poker rides. Pick five checkpoints, have support teams there so they can be dealt a card as they go past. At the finish line the best "hand" wins a prize.

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Want younger people to join? Think about a fat-tire pub crawl. Might not be what you do or that safe but it will attract attention. Then to participate they need to come to 2 club rides and learn the rules.

Or hit the local gyms with flyers.

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I don't "do" FB...too busy here...lol!

Our club has a FB page though. Freebies...hmmm...have to pass that along and let it percolate some...appreciate the tip!

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Don,

Start a Facebook page and update it. Ask a younger person? Free stuff.

Got to have a line in the water to catch fish.

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Just thought I'd see if anyone can join me in a brainstorming effort.

Although our bike club is filled with super folks and we all have great times together I've been talking with our president about a problem we've been having:

We're all old! She and I are around the same age, mid-50's and she remembers when she joined the club years ago being one of the youngest members...and she still is!

I worry about the passing along of collective knowledge, wisdom, excitement, etc. to younger members who can keep the club going and feel that our club should take steps to promote itself to a wider range of cyclists.

Some of our members already organize cycling events for youth in the schools, boy scouts and other organizations. I leave copies of our newsletter at work and my fitness center. We got many eyeballs for this years' past Ride of Silence in which we honored a member who had been killed by a motorist and many local TV stations and newspapers covered the event, which admittedly may have a negative backlash (get out on your bike and get hit! ugh.).

How to aim for the 18-40 year-old group...?

I just thought I'd toss this out there and see if anyone might have any ideas we could follow up on.

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