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8/31/12 1:14 P

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From what you are saying it's not real clear. You should be titling/rotating your pelvis down/forward like you were in the power position to lift a weight. If you can do that it could saddle interference, flexibility, fore/aft, position, strength, balance, or even cleat position.

Any adjustments should be small and allow the body to adapt. I would still seek the help of someone that can take a look at you on a trainer to check your position and body mechanics.

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8/31/12 1:06 P

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So I think I figured out my main problem. In feeling like I was going to slide forward off of my seat I tightened yo my legs to hooks me there. By tilting my pelvis back a little bit my sit bones really just held me in place. This let me relax my legs and was able to peddle properly. So my ride home was a ton better.

I did adjust the seat up a bit. Also I stood up every three miles for about 30 seconds. By the time I finished the 16 miles, no numbness or pain.

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8/30/12 6:24 P

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What about the saddle nose? Too wide, do your legs rub? There are arteries and nerves to pinch in this area too.

Do you knees go straight up and down or to the outside?

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8/30/12 6:20 P

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Back surgery sounds like no fun. Hope they where able to get you all fixed up.

It sure seem like it goes away 15 to 20 after riding. I will have to keep a closer eye on that. Also I don't have any of the numbness when I don't ride. I would think if it is pinched, it is barely pinched.

Thanks for you're ideas.

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8/30/12 6:12 P

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Those are all good suggestions. I have learned to do all of then except standing up every 10 to 15 minutes. I only stand up when I go over a good bump or come to a stop. So I will add that into my bike ride and see how it goes.

Keeping blood flowing down there is one of the main reasons why I am trying the noseless saddle! Just seems that there is more and more info that the typical saddle can cause problems, with out without the pain and numbness.

I will recheck the fit before heading home tonight. Seems like the stroke length is about right. Slight bend in me knees at the bottom, and almost 90 degree bend in my knees at the top.

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BARRONVC's Photo BARRONVC Posts: 1,845
8/30/12 5:04 P

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See a Doctor. It could be a pinched never in your pelvic or low back. If if you have numbness ice and see the Doc. If you have strength loss go to emergency. I could be muscle and that could be caused by fatigue or nerves. Try to walk and have someone watch you, if you have a slap foot, gate or balance is off get checked out right away. I'm not a Dr, just had a bunch of back surgeries/hip surgery and this is an expensive education.

If they saddle is harder than you are used too and position is off your pelvis not be flat and that could be the root cause, No rounded lower back, have it in the power position. The saddle or adjustment might cause not to feel right or allow you to be in that position and form will suffer as will efficiency.

Regardless if you ice that won't hurt you. Even go to a walking clinic.

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8/30/12 3:26 P

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For your fatigue and leg pain issue, without seeing you and your posture when on your bike, it sounds to me like your saddle is simply set too low and your seat may not be set at the proper position. If that is so, you're not getting the power in your downstroke and or you're pulling\pushing by (over)using muscle groups improperly. There are plenty of videos online on how to fit yourself. It wouldn't hurt to just double-check your fit. Also, as you age, the need to refit yourself on your bike will arise.

For the numbness, you could also be simply seated most of your ride which is a problem in itself. Rise up in your saddle every 10-15 minutes, or so, and hold that pose for about 10-15 seconds. I notice, the more tired I get, the more I forget to do this. It's crucial you do so to keep blood flowing to your nether regions and to make sure you just don't stay haunched over for 3+ solid hours. I'll stand up in my pedals, while leaned forward on the hoods or in the drops, keeping my feet at a 3 and 9 o'clock position, while stretching my legs. Then I do a 12 and 6 o'clock, while stretching my legs. And I'll make sure I do this for both sides, so my right and left legs see equal attention.

When riding, I'll try to sit upright in the saddle and stretch my arms while doing some very limited motion shoulder and arm stretches. You have to make sure you're comfortable balancing while riding and trying this, but it does work well for me.

Do you rise up in your saddle and or stretch while riding?

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EARLW33's Photo EARLW33 Posts: 78
8/30/12 3:12 P

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I have been riding regularly again for the last couple of months. My usual, pull the bike out now that it is not pouring down rain. The same thing i have been doing for years. I ride mostly on a paved trail from my neighborhood to work. It is 16 miles each way.

Usually around 11 miles i start to get the numbness, tingling, and pain. It is usually worst in my left food. Some days I don't get that until mile 13 or 14! Then some days it starts at mile 7.

The seat I was using was one of those ergonomical designs with the hole in the middle of the nose. That was put on 6 maybe 7 years ago. My friend who did a lot of biking helped fit the bike for me.

The noseless saddle said to start about 2 inches lower then the usual seat. So I started there. Then made small movements in the direction that made it feel better for me. Then did some short slow rides to get used to it.

On those slow short rides it felt a lot better then my old saddle. Then yesterday I rode it to work for the first time. It felt extra hard. My miles went from 3:30 miles to greater then 4 minute miles!

Now not only is my back side sore, the tops and back of my legs are sore. That and they feel so worn out. It seems to me that I had to work so hard on keeping myself from sliding off the front of the seat thatI could not pedal properly.

Hope that helps.

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8/30/12 2:13 P

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Don't blame the saddle. Does your ass hurt?

The saddle is a platform. If you don't have issues with the contact points look at your position. If you have contact point issues it could be the saddle.

One way to find out, make a video or see a fitter/coach. Position and form maybe in and issues, as well as, training techniques, heart lungs, recovery, body chemistry. Keep searching.

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8/30/12 12:41 P

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How far were you riding before you experienced the discomfort you describe?

From your post, it sounds as though you're almost to a point of desperation from all the pain you're experiencing. You cite you've moved your saddle up, down, back and forward - have you done this blindly? Or did you move it within a certain range so as not to offset your fit to the bike? (I hope you did have someone properly fit you for your bike. If not, that may be a very large part of the pain and discomfort you're experiencing.)

I will tell you this, when I first rode my new bike, I went 12 miles and my posterior was in more than a mild amount of pain and hurt. It was all I could do to pedal the 3 miles back to my vehicle. That was in February of 2009. By November of that year, I was riding 100 km (62 miles) for an average ride. If it's just acclimating to riding, you'll get there. Just keep riding and tough the pain out. You will get there!

However, if you were not (properly) fit to your bike, you may have a collection of issues - improperly sized frame, seat position, seat mast height, head tube too short\long, handlebars the wrong size, etc. Even something as simple as your handlebar width can make a world of difference.

My bike originally came with 42cm bars. I upgraded to Easton's EC90 Aeros in a 46cm size and felt like my chest had opened up, and I could breathe, simply because I wasn't scrunching my shoulders together to fit onto that dinky little 42cm bar set. Also, by not having to scrunch my shoulders any longer, my shoulder pain and discomfort mostly disappeared and my rides were far more enjoyable.

Fill us in on some more information. How long do you normally ride? How long do you normally ride before the pain and discomfort manifest? How long have you been riding regularly?

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EARLW33's Photo EARLW33 Posts: 78
8/30/12 12:26 P

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Looking for some advice and help. I just switched to a noseless saddle on my road bike. I am trying to reduce the numbness that i get in my feet and the pain between my legs.

I am on week two and I notice that my legs hurt a lot more and my speed is slower on my miles. Even the smallest of hills are just so much harder.

I have moved the saddle forward and back, up and down. I have it all the way back and it feels like it needs to go back a bit farther. I have the front if the saddle tipped all the way up, and it feels like I just have to hold myself up on the saddle to keep myself from falling off the front of the seat.

Has anybody gotten one of these seats to work for them?

Thanks
Earl

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