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9/6/12 6:38 P

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"I don't think Lance really cares what people say about him at this point. Lance has nothing to prove. The world needs to look in the mirror."

I agree! It's refreshing to see Lance go on with his life. I wish I had the strength to do what I think is right and not care what anyone says!

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9/6/12 1:13 P

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Maybe they should file Lance's death certificate because they wrote him off as dead? Oh, is there an "asterisk" by his name because he was suppose to be dead? They used Chemo drugs on him, would it have been better if he died? What are the odds that he beats cancer? What are the odds he wins 7 tours after that cancer fight? What man or women knows his suffering to challenge his victories.

People have been taking drugs since they could. Herbs, plants, you name it, if you picked and didn't die it worked. I bet even the Greeks and Romans used drugs in the 1st Olympics. We all do. Coffee-caffeine, energy drinks...amino acids, pain meds derived from plants..we are all guilty. This society is on drugs regardless, you eat food that is chemically altered with hormones.

Personally my lab work looked crazy after many surgeries. I had really high levels of a chemical as if I had run a marathon everyday. It was not normal and with rest the levels didn't change. I took nothing, my body reacted in a strange way to protect me. Then, I did detoxing, vitamins, IV immune boosters, clean eating, only water, and after 1 year the levels improved. I can't explain it, nor can the Dr. The body has a mind and chemistry we still don't understand 100%. It's time to admit we know we don't know it, when talking about the body. What did Lance go through? Let him alone so he can continue his foundation. I don't think Lance really cares what people say about him at this point.

Lance has nothing to prove. The world needs to look in the mirror. We can't go back and spank him because he was not positive or on hearsay. All they can do is move forward and look at history. We must learn from the mistakes.

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9/5/12 7:15 P

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I am pretty appalled that he was stripped of all titles, when drug tests haven't come back positive. What about innocent until proven guilty? It makes me wonder if they all know something or have some evidence that does confirm he was doping, but which hasn't been made public. Until that evidence is made public I will continue to belief that he is an outstanding athlete.

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9/2/12 12:25 P

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Personally I think it's been a long running witch hunt by sore losers and corporate types that hate having one guy in the number one spot. They all want competitions, they want uncertainty, the want to sell product and make money. They want to spread the money around. That's really hard to do with Lance around, so of course they create a witch hunt. Thing about a good withch hunt is if you prove you're not a witch you're dead, and if you are a witch, well you're just as dead.

Lance I still think you're the greatest!


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8/30/12 9:39 A

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Very tough call. You have an athlete who beat cancer and became the number one cyclist in the world for numerous years. You also have an athlete whose arrogance made him many enemies. I thought at first that the "world" was against him. However, when so many of his teammates declared him dirty, I wondered. What, to me, was the crowning blow was when Hincapie and Leipheimer were ready to testify against him. He will go down, in my book, as a great athlete, much like Eddie Merx (who tested positive several times), but one who thought "His Stuff Didn't Stink".

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8/29/12 2:34 P

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Hi All

The USDA is the lawyer, juror and judge all rolled into one. If they do not like the results they have .... they change the rules accordingly. If they still do not get the results they change the rules and testing procedures.

I am not saying he is guilty ot not. Although I firmly believe that you had to still out perform everyone else that day and as stated by Giantsteps others were cheating and he still beat them at their game.

It is strange that he has never tested positive but yet he is accussed and stripped of his titles and now a life time ban as well!!!!

If the testing procedures get better and better each year 9as in the olympics as well) and he still was not caught .... what does that say about the testing system???

Now to be able to back several years and re-test blood in storage and with the new procedures through miracles on modern technology to be able to find a positive test later and now strip them of their titles???? Come on now .... where do we live?

Or is it that the European culture or cycling community can not accept a man who survived from cancer and is an american could win the TdF 8 times????

I do not think nor will I ever think he is guilty because of his lack of fighting the battle.

Yes .... someone mentioned earlier he still has his fortunes and that same person stated he should fight it till the end. I do agree but at what cost $$$$ do you continue???? If your organization is spending so much on legal fees to fight this battle and not allowing the money to be put to better use .... then why donate if the admin fees are extremely high???

I gues bottom line is .... until Lance professes he cheated than I guess I will believe he didn't.

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8/26/12 4:03 P

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MPLANE37;
It's good you know what you would do if you were in Lance's shoes. But just because he is not doing what you would do doesn't prove him to be guilty. Maybe he chooses not to fight because the cost is too much: the time involved/vs the benefit of fighting, the impact on his family, the impact on the good work he does.

Unless I have missed something, there is no proof that he doped. In my book he is innocent until proven otherwise.

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8/26/12 3:15 P

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When Alberto Contador tested positive for clenbuterol he was striped of his 2010 TdF and his 2011 Giro titles. They didn't strip him of every victory but just the ones from the period when he tested positive. If the UCI is going to strip Lance of all 7 TdF victories they should have evidence of doping during the entire period. If they have evidence of doping for one particular TdF than that year's title will be in question; not every title.

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8/26/12 2:54 P

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I think people just don't want to believe that he competed unfairly. Beliefs and reality usually differ. If I were him and believe that I am wrongfully accused, I would fight the charges till the very end. The fact that he does not wish to do so means he accepts the accusations.

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8/26/12 1:24 P

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I hope I'm in the majority in thinking Lance Armstrong not guilty of doping.

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8/26/12 9:46 A

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Where can I get some of that dope so I can perform like Lance Armstrong? Hard to believe any concoction can make that happen. He is still a champion!

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8/26/12 1:48 A

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Have all the drug testers and members of the board been tested? Might find some pot, crystal meth or coke in there systems along with Viagra and oxy.

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8/25/12 11:10 P

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8/25/12 11:10 P

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Part of the cycling public convicted Lance without strong concrete evidence years ago. His loyal fans and team mates will never believe that he was a doper.
People will just believe what they want to believe regardless of positive or negative evidence.

Can the UCI strip his jerseys and titles? They certainly can. They stripped Alberto Contrador of his titles after he tested positive for microscopic amounts of clenbuterol, a type of decongestant and bronchodilator. People with chronic breathing disorders such as asthma use this as a bronchodilator to make breathing easier.

However, on the opposite of stripping awards and jerseys, Bjarne Riis who won the Tour de France in 1996, admitted to doping but never lost his Tour de France award, so who knows what will happen to Lance.

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8/24/12 6:07 P

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When you are or were the best people want to take you down. Lance beat cancer, these people are just jealous or have another interest.

I don't know if Lance did or didn't. What about Ryan Braun? He was cleared. If Lance took the stuff other must have too. How many have been stripped over the years? The public doesn't know the facts or never will.

Lance has enough going for him to start his own Cycling Federation.

Should he continue to fight? I don't know, wasn't cancer enough. He could but at what cost?

Was he singled out? I would say yes. He also beat everyone for many years.

Did he dope? I don't know. It seems that many do at that level. He has passed drug tests.

Does it matter that there is no dirty tests? At this point history should say he was the best no matter what a bunch of guys say that can't go up one Cat 1 climb.

Can they really strip those win away? In theory! But who really won then? You could care less as they were second.

If I dope I still won't win the tour, they would laugh have me. It's not the dope, its the man.




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8/24/12 6:01 P

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I'm not aware of any hard evidence against Lance Armstrong and I'm not going to consider his decision not to continue to be an admission of guilt.
If all they have is hear-say than it could simply be sour grapes from others who themselves have been busted or have some other beef with Armstrong.
I don't know if Armstrong is clean or a cheat but in my book he deserves the benefit of the doubt and is innocent until proven guilty.

As an example of how absurd it is to strip Armstrong of his TdF wins consider the 2005 TdF:

1 Lance Armstrong
2 Ivan Basso
3 Jan Ulrich
4 Francisco Mancebo
5 Alenandre Vinocourov
6 Levi Leipheimer

Naturally Lance Armstrong is disqualified due to hearsay. Basso's the winner right? Not so fast; Basso was suspended in 2007 for blood doping. Jan Ulrich was already disqualified for doping. What about Francisco Mancebo? Nope he was linked to the Operacion Puerto doping case. All right it's Vinocourov; sorry Vinocourov tested positive for blood doping in 2007. Ok, we are back to an American! Levi Leipheimer had one run-in with anti-doping control in 1996 which he claimed came from innocently taking Claritin-D for alergies. Anyway, even if he was guilty in 1996 he might have been clean ever since. So now Levi Leipheimer is the 2005 TdF champion? What next? Leipheimer's dog groomer's will testify that his dog acted strangely after eating a sandwich from Levi's musette bag so it must have been laced with performance enhancing drugs.
It is hard to find a guy in the peloton who hasn't been busted or at least had some sort of doping allegation made against them.

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8/24/12 4:59 P

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He might lose all his titles, but he made a fortune, and will get to keep that fortune. He is still pretty smart guy, I think.

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``Moments of silence are part of the music." -Anonymous


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8/24/12 3:22 P

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Well after he did that the USADA stripped him of his titles and is banned from cycling, in less than 12 hours.

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8/24/12 2:49 P

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Lance has decided to throw in the towel concerning doping allegations. Read his statement and tell me what you think. I understand why he's said enough, but what do you think? Should he continue to fight? Was he singled out? Did he dope? Does it matter that there is no dirty tests? Can they really strip those win away?
lancearmstrong.com/news-events/lance
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