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DDOORN
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7/4/12 11:26 A

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Whoops! Sorry I missed this thread a while back...going to be MIA on a tour starting tomorrow for the next 10 days.

Bruce you are proof that the technology of a bike only gets you so far...the rest is your body, attitude & motivation...! Kudos to blowing that Tarmac!

PLUS you're getting an Allez along with your Tricross...? You're not just SPEEDYDOG...but a LUCKY one TOO! :-)

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Speeddog that is a fast bike. Learn the braking, you are going to be a screamer.


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7/3/12 9:06 A

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On Friday I took Big Red with the new gearing and semi-slicks on 10 mile jaunt on pavement. The bike performed superbly in dual role. I covered 18 mikes in a little over an hour on semi-hilly terrain.

I went bike shopping over the weekend. I decided to try some performance bikes. I pulled the trigger on a Allez Comp Apex Mid Compact. This is a fast bike.

www.specialized.com/us/en/bikes/road/allez
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I took the bike out yesterday for the shake down cruise. I put in 12 miles and had a blast.

Thanks, Bruce

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BARRONVC
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7/1/12 1:29 A

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We get the body from God and genetics. Then the tools we can develop will add to that or help us reach our potential.

If you keep searching you will find techniques.

Just concentrate on blowing every bit out of your lungs, they will naturally fill. PowerLung has resistance that is adjustable in and out. It teaches you to relax it on the way in and clear all the CO2 and water on the way out.

Keep it up.


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7/1/12 12:43 A

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I have done quite a bit a of research regarding the effects of altitude on the amount oxygen available to muscles at high altitude. At 13,000 feet the partial pressure of oxygen in the blood is 60% less than at sea level. This low partial pressure of oxygen causes a dramatic decrease in VO2 max. Cyclist trying to climb a steep hill at high altitude have to "gear down" or risk passing from a sustainable aerobic exertion to an anaerobic state. I tend to try to climb hills at speeds that I cannot maintain because I have pushed myself into an anaerobic state.

Commonly, this anaerobic state is called the "burn". My muscles don't really "give out". As you pointed out, my muscles are not getting sufficient oxygen to maintain a rate of ascent. To recover, I have to downshift and go slowly to "catch my breath. This is why a road bike with low gearing is attractive.

Nutrition and hydration do play a role in high altitude performance. The body burns more calories at high altitude and dehydration plays havoc with the cardiovascular system. High altitude is associated with low relative humidity so you need more hydration at higher altitude.

While test riding the Specialized Tricross Elite today I got into an impromptu race with another guy testing a Specialized Tarmac SL4 Pro. Bike for bike, he should have killed me! I blasted him off the road! When the ground is flat and the elevation is only 6,000ft, as it was during my test ride, I can pedal at a furious rate.

I will look into the information you suggested. I need all the help I can get.

Thanks, Bruce

“No one has ever drowned in sweat.”
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"The strongest have their moments of fatigue."
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"It ain't bragging if you can do it."
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BARRONVC
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6/30/12 4:46 P

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I would research the thing about your body. There are amino acids than can help you recover.

Get the bike that meets your needs.

You might want to look at the powerlung for that oxygen issue. It might not be a much with the old muscles as it is with your breathing. Find Davis Phinney and ask him about breath play. He has a book for about 20+ years ago. Used to have the PowerBar women's camp up there. I saw Connie about 1 1/2 years ago.


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The other thing that gets me is I ride at elevations of 6,000 to 13,000 feet. Sometimes the old mucles give out for lack of oxygen!

The other thing that is happpening is my company is moving to downtown Denver. The Tricross is a pretty good city bike.

Thanks, Bruce

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"The strongest have their moments of fatigue."
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Sister lives in Colorado Springs. Spent time in Hawaii and those climbs are fun.


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Dear Barronvc,

Even my 18 mile ride in Golden, which is relatively flat, had some pretty seriously long hills. We are talking 3 miles at 12%+, with some shorter hills at 13% to 20%. Where I live in the mountains, 5 mile hills at 15%+ are common. We are talking paved roads at 15%. Dirt roads and trails here are insanely steep.

The Tricross Elite looks like it will work well for me. The 50/34 chainwheel with an 11-32 10 speed rear cogs will give me what I need. I know I will be sacrificing top-end with the compact. Believe me, I will use low gear a lot!

Thanks for the good advice. I am off to buy a bike.

Thanks, Bruce

“No one has ever drowned in sweat.”
Lou Holtz

"The strongest have their moments of fatigue."
Friedrich Nietzsche

"It ain't bragging if you can do it."
Dizzy Dean

" Not everyone who looks fast really is, and not everyone who looks slow really is."
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BARRONVC
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Bruce,

Looks like you have your old machine in a better place.

Let's take a step back. Look at all the things you would like to do and what you could do in either bike (overlap). You already have the MTB and the new tires to do a nice job on the road and path. Why not go with a road bike or something that will compliment what you have.

Make sure the size and components are all figured out. Many bikes for 2012 are out, totally out and Specialized doesn't bring as many in the country as they used to, they go to Europe. At times you can do a dealer search for a model, the only problem is they usually don't like to discount if they know you want it.

I gave my MTB away and only have road bikes. For my needs riding the trails, city, and rural roads they meet my needs. I notice a lot of people going to a compact 50-34 on the road bike with a 12-25 or greater and can cover most with that. I'm using Dura-Ace 53-39 and either 12-21 faster club rides or 12-25 for training, climbing and trails. You probably have more climbing in your area. We have some shorter 1/3 mile @ 17% is the worst. Maybe a mile-1 1/2 average at 8 %.


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Here is an update. I got my Giant Boulder SE from the shop on Thursday. They had installed a more "streetable" cassette, repaired a broken rear axle, replaced worn bearing cones and gave the bike a tune-up. I also had them install Continentals Town and Country tires that have a lot lower rolling resistance than the aggressive knobbly tires the bike had. I had previously installed a Fox fork with lockout that helps with pedaling efficiency.

Yesterday, Friday Jun 29th, I took the bike on an 18 mile ride in Golden, Colorado, on a mixture of concrete and smooth dirt bike paths.

KCNEWF was right when he said it is oddly satisfying to pass guys on high-dollar road bikes. My Giant Boulder SE "Big Red" is now a reasonable dual-purpose bike similar to the Specialized Crosstrail. The new "semi-slick" tires have helped the handling on hard surfaces immensely.

I consider Big Red a great training bike. However, the bike is an 8 year-old recreational mountain bike and it's age is showing. With the higher gearing, the bike did not shift as well. The lower-end Shimano front derailleur tended to bend when trying to go front the middle chain ring to the small chain ring. A better front derailleur is not expensive. But I feel I am chasing my tail. The shop had trouble finding the rear axle parts for the 8 year-old bike. The bike needs new stem seals and these are not available.

I am getting ready to pull the trigger on the Specialized Tricross. The 2013 bikes are coming out and they have dropped the level of the shifting components. The remaining stock of 2012s are better bikes. I got to strike while the iron is hot!

Thanks, Bruce

“No one has ever drowned in sweat.”
Lou Holtz

"The strongest have their moments of fatigue."
Friedrich Nietzsche

"It ain't bragging if you can do it."
Dizzy Dean

" Not everyone who looks fast really is, and not everyone who looks slow really is."
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DDOORN
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6/24/12 12:59 P

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Wow Bruce, your Tricross sounds even more souped up than mine!

That bike is gonna go the distance for you, I'm sure!

Don

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SPEEDYDOG
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6/24/12 10:16 A

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This is some good advice and just what I was looking for. I dropped off my 2004 Giant Boulder SE at the bike shop. The rear axle had broken! I also selected a new Shimano cassette with the following teeth combination: 11 --13 --15 --18 -- 21 -- 24 -- 28T. This should work well with the original Suntour 48 - 38 - 28T crankset. The original cassette had "Mega-Range which was 14 -- 16 -- 18 -- 20 -- 24 -- 26 -- 34T! There was a great big hole between 26T and 34T. This was mildly annoying when I got the bike. And downright aggravating as time went on. I am also having semi-slicks but on the bike

I tested a Giant Escape Level 0. The Escape is an $820 road/dirt road bike. I didn't like it. I tested a Specialized Tricross Elite Disc Apex Compact on sale for $1,600 and I loved it! Don recommended the Tricross and he was sure spot on! That bike rocks!

I am going to mess around with my Giant Boulder SE and see what I can do to make it more versatile. I am going to save up a few sheckles and maybe go back and see what I can get in a Tricross.

And I thought this was going to be hard!

BTW - I took Ultra Stumpy (Specialized Stumpjumper Carbon Expert FSR) on a bike path once. Even with the aggressive mountain knobbly tires, I could dust many road bike riders.

Little Stumpy and Ultra Stumpy are both thoroughbred off-road racing bikes. The Giant Boulder SE is a good platform for a dual purpose bike.

Thanks, Bruce

Edited by: SPEEDYDOG at: 6/30/2012 (09:09)
“No one has ever drowned in sweat.”
Lou Holtz

"The strongest have their moments of fatigue."
Friedrich Nietzsche

"It ain't bragging if you can do it."
Dizzy Dean

" Not everyone who looks fast really is, and not everyone who looks slow really is."
Mark Remy





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KCNEWF
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Just put slicks on one of the mountain bikes in your stable ( Stumpy perhaps? )

You'll just lov the feeling you get using that bike to pass a newbie , weekend warrior type roadie riding his $2000+ carbon fiber bike!

I have been riding my Haro ICS 3.0 mountain bike on the road for over 4750 miles over the last year. . . and I don't have slicks for tires!


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Get a fitting and sized properly!

Find something that fits and meets your needs.

Have fun.


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LOVE my Tricross Double! It can definitely handle dirt & crushed limestone. Wouldn't recommend it for stonier, bumpier paths filled with tree roots & stuff. I don't do much off-road cycling though I use mine for local commuting and long-distance riding as well. Got mine a couple years or so ago for around $1100 after adding fenders & a rack for panniers in the back. I think they've bumped up a bit since but suspect you can still get one for under $1500.

Tires are a tad wider than most "road" or "touring" bikes, but I doubt it slows me much and I think it adds to the overall sturdy feel of this bike which seems quite versatile and flexible in its capability.

Let us know how you make out with your choice!

Don

Edited by: DDOORN at: 6/21/2012 (15:40)
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I am thinking about buying a road bike. I know next to nothing about road bikes. I live in the Colorado Rocky Mountains. I am reasonably conversant with mountain bikes.

Road bikes seem to be a completely different kettle of fish. There seems to be a ton of styles and price points. I am leaning toward the Specialized Tricross series. The Tricross is labeled as a "Freeroad" bike that can handle pavement, dirt and trails. I take the "trail" part with a grain of salt. Trails here tend to be pretty steep and nasty. But I think the Tricoss could handle the dirt roads and paved roads in Colorado. I could ride this bike in my mountain neighborhood.

www.specialized.com/us/en/bikes/road/tricr
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I also like the Giant Defy series, which is a performance endurance bike. I could not ride this bike in my my neighborhood. My neighborhood is a combination of rough dirt roads and cracked and broken pavement. (Colorado mountain winters are hard on roads). But Colorado has some great roads where a Defy would work well. I just would have to drive to a place where I could use a touring bike.

www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/bikes/model/d
efy/9014/48853/


I want to keep the purchase price for a road bike below $2,000. Can I get a good road bike for under $2,000? Any suggestions? My mountain bikes don't like pavement.

Thanks, Bruce


“No one has ever drowned in sweat.”
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"The strongest have their moments of fatigue."
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"It ain't bragging if you can do it."
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" Not everyone who looks fast really is, and not everyone who looks slow really is."
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