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4/23/12 1:27 P

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May be we actually agree but refer to two different aspects of fat loss.

I agree that you will burn less fat during a fast ride.

But over the course of next 24 hours, you will end up burning more fat in recharging your now mostly depleted energy stores because of a larger caloric deficit, of course assuming that you track your nutrition.

Would you agree on this?

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4/23/12 1:18 P

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Try reading some sources outside of sparkpeople. A lot of your training manuals state what I stated. High intensity and riding faster or fastest does not allow the fat to breakdown fast enough to be used as energy.

However, I will go back to my training books and re-look up this phenomena up again especially for my sake to lose those unwanted pounds of mine.

I'll report back later.

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4/22/12 10:10 A

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with such a limited amount of time you may try a heart rate monitor. aim to do a couple of intensity intervals (only a couple) after your midway point during that 10 miler. that will signal your body to adapt to the stress and improve fitness. you will finish faster but the quality of the workout will be different.

good luck.

edit: another thought - base miles are important so try intervals after 4 weeks of your 10 miler steady rides.

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4/19/12 12:21 P

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Different types of workouts have different benefits. I am a huge fan of high intensity training. Most of the time I try for quality rather than quantity in workouts. Training just below our anaerobic threshold is probably the most efficient way to build cardiovascular fitness. However, Long Steady Distance (LSD) training has its place. While LSD training probably won't improve your VO2 Max our bodies adapt to it by increasing our ability to store glycogen, increasing the rate we can burn fat and improving peripheral blood flow.

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4/18/12 7:07 P

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Riding for time versus riding very fast will allow you to go both further and eventually faster. Starting off riding very fast is asking for trouble. Your body just isn't used to the stress and will respond with over-training injuries. Go at a pace that is comfortable for you, at the beginning. Once you have the base miles, you can explore with a bit of speed, if that's what you're seeking.

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4/18/12 5:34 P

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JHOLLNAGEL: I agree that if you work out at low intensity, there is a larger percentage of calories burned coming from fat stores. But that does not mean that you burn the most fat when you work out at low intensity. Actually you burn the most fat when you work at high intensity. Take a look at the following expert opinion:
www.sparkpeople.com/community/ask_th
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Riding a bike faster is the same as working out at a higher intensity, and will cause a larger fat loss than low intensity workout. Also, it will improve the cardiovascular fitness. Riding at low intensity will not improve the cardiovascular fitness.
So, we all should ride faster actually!

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4/18/12 5:31 P

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JHOLLNAGEL: I agree that if you work out at low intensity, there is a larger percentage of calories burned coming from fat stores. But that does not mean that you burn the most fat when you work out at low intensity. Actually you burn the most fat when you work at high intensity. Take a look at the following expert opinion:
www.sparkpeople.com/community/ask_th
e_
experts.asp?q=60

Riding a bike faster is the same as working out at a higher intensity, and will cause a larger fat loss than low intensity workout. Also, it will improve the cardiovascular fitness. Riding at low intensity will not improve the cardiovascular fitness.
So, we all should ride faster actually!

``Don't break the chain." -Jerry Seinfeld
``Moments of silence are part of the music." -Anonymous


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4/18/12 3:30 P

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Thank you everyone. I think I'm going to just ride for time as suggested. I was thinking of training for a century but think I will just keep this as something fun I enjoy doing on my free days. When I get up to my 3 hour rides I'll be a happy camper. Love hitting the trail at 6am and off by 9am. That's when everyone else is just starting to arrive. Done and done!

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4/18/12 2:48 P

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Your body does not recognize miles biked .... it recognizes time on on the bike and saddle. Thus, concentrate on time riding.

On ther advice of riding fast and burning a lot of calories .... wrong advice on riding fast. In fact you burn more calories (fat calories) by riding 30 minutes or longer in your endurance heart rate zone which is right above the recovery rate and below your Tempo heart rate zone.

Speed will come in due time and you will notice yourself getting faster without realizing it. For example it it takes you 30 minutes to do one lap and 1 month later you can do 2 laps in 50 mins are you not faster and is your endurance building? The answer is yes.

I hope this helps.

Base miles are important if you are going to start doing interval training as well.

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4/15/12 6:24 P

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Hey I'm with BEVPRESLEY...go with what works for you. There's no harm in pushing yourself even a bit beyond your comfort zone as long as you don't allow your aches and pains to sideline you and pull the plug from your enjoyment.

In addition to speed I think resistance ala *HILLS* will be important to incorporate into your rides as well. But it's all in what "works" for you.

If you've got more miles in you and you have the time to keep going then, heck, GO FOR IT! :-)

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4/15/12 10:45 A

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As long as you are not sore and feel like it, ride as much as you can. If you can get a trainer to use at home, that will help with "hardening your seat".

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4/15/12 10:44 A

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More important, I think, is riding fast rather than riding a long distance in a very long time. If you double your average speed, the air resistance will increase four-fold. 10 miles is pretty good start, but try to ride faster, and if you can ride faster and longer, even better. But the priority is going significantly faster, which will make you burn a lot of calories.

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4/15/12 10:17 A

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Today was my first ride back on my bike. I planned to ride an hour which is about 13 or so miles. I went more for time than for distance. I was so excited to get back out there I wanted to go for another lap around the trail but my head said that I hadn't built up any base miles and shouldn't push too hard on my first ride.

So here is my questions. How important are base miles? My trail loop is about 10 miles. Do I need to build up gradually? I only have one day a week that I can ride so building up by a couple miles each week could take me forever to get to my beloved 40 mile ride that I love so much. That's where I ended last year. What do you think?

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