Thanks for the advice. I was going to bring the bike so that we could gain the measurements off of mine and the saddle as well. They informed me to bring my own pedals. I thought I might as well bring the bike too. I want the test bike to be set up as close as my bike. If they are able to adapt my bike into the testing apparatus all the more better.
I'll let you guys know what I find out as results after each tests.
Specific, even the bike makes a difference. I did a test with a lab bike that couldn't get me in the correct position and the crank arms were a different size. The bike was too large.
Then we made that stand and apparatus adaptable for changing out bikes.
I've done it on the treadmill, Lab bike, some ergo bike, and my own bike. It you are not going to use your bike make sure you take a seat (seat and seat post) and all have the measurements.
Don't freak out breathing with nose plugged or the apparatus. Here is a some help, exhale as much as you can and try to keep the body relaxed on the inhale. It doesn't come in as fast with those tubes. A few times I just wanted to tear it off.
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Jim, you highlight a great point that people should be aware of, that is WHATEVER test you do (a sub max test like a threshold field test or a VO2max test, ouch!) to dial in your training zones, it should be specific to what you will predominately be doing. So if someone stuck me on a treadmill to test me, that info is for running and wouldn't necessarily help me narrow down my zones for cycling. We should be sport specific when we do this.
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For those of you who live near University of Wisconcin - Whitewater, they are looking for candidates for VO2 testing.
I go this Friday for the Tread mill portion of the test ( I am not a runner so this should be fun) Then when I come back from spring break I do the cycling portion of the test. Of course, this is the one I am going to be interested in.
I will bring them my polar hrm so that they can show me how to set my zones. I am such an illiterate when it comes to techy stuff. I guess I am getting old;-)
For me. Remember I've been doing cycling since the mid 60's at a serious level. The 2 most important things I use as a gauge is HR and Cadence. My Garmin has a ton of different functions but these are the only ones that I use.
Indoor training with my Computrainer I love the power output and spin scan along with HR and cadence. When on the Computrainer you don't need to look where you are going. Rollers are great and Cadence is huge and I do pyramids and all kinds of other drills that build efficiency.
KSZSPIN, hit it! Don't follow the HR for you age. Do a test to figure that out. There are many and you can do this with a Computrainer.
I've done many VO2 max tests and the last one being in 98. I don't plan on it again, but you never know if the Med college calles me for a test program. 1. I'm old and really have a good idea of where I'm at when in shape. 2. I hate having my nose plugged and breathing through that little tube, I and do over 6 liters and that hole sure seems small.
At your level Cadence and HR are good. Power, wait until you get more efficient. Maybe next off season.
I had mine tested in 2007 and I still use the mathematical model that was calculated- which is higher number than the age produced ones. If you have ever had your VO2 max tested you'll understand why I am in *no hurry* to go back to UC Davis to have that done again! It helped me understand training a little bit more but it was while I was getting my BS in Sports Management, so it was very interesting understanding the application instead of just getting the number. You can figure out your max heart rate on your own, but don't do it by yourself. The best machine I found that I can check my numbers on is this weird half stair climber, half elliptical machine at my gym. It's the only machine I can get on and comfortably get up to my max heart rate without looking like the thing is going to take off.
As for cadence, some people like it, some people don't. I have the sensor on one of my bikes and I use it when I'm trying to get 'better'. You can easily do it by "learning" your rpm rhythm by counting and using the clock feature on your bike. Many of the people I ride with are gearing towards 80-100 rpm at times and I'm sometimes just huffing and puffing to them in my sight. I find once you learn it you are more aware of how well you are doing. I hope that makes sense.
There are all kinds of different ways you can use cadence- to improve climbing and just speed in general. It definately helps with developing a faster climb for me. But like I said, you can just count as well (or segment the count for 15 or 30 seconds). The sensor was a little buggy sometimes but it is still a good way to get some variety in on a workout. Just like my HRM, once I'm in my 'zone' for the season, I rarely wear it, only on hard days. Right now it's more of a measure of how quickly I'm getting back to my 'in season' shape.
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Not to change the topic, but along the same lines, what is everyone's take on a computer that measures cadence? My does not, but I've been told it can be a useful measurement, that you will find a cadence that's comfortable for you and can then aim to hold steady at that pace.
If you've used a comp. with cadence, do you feel it helped you? Just curious. Thanks.
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For my bike I have the Garmin Edge 800, it comes with HR transmitter and also the cadence & speed sensor. I also own a Polar FT40 monitor for when I teach or take my Spinning classes. Like others here have said, dialing in your specific zones takes time using it. Do not go by any sort of age predicted max hr formula, it is a flawed and your age predicted max hr can be off by as much as 20 to 30 beats either way. Actually, even IF you did somehow know what your max hr was, a better performance/training anchor is your lactate threshold. Doing a field test on your bike to determine your LT is the way to train. Here is a link to an article about the 'Myth of the maximum HR' to give you some info on HR training. It is actually written for indoor cycling instructors (we are trying to get away from the age predicted formulas). www.indoorcyclingassociation.com/mem be rs/The_Myth_of_Maximum_Heart_Rate.cfR>m?sd=31
Funny this topic came up! My Polar HRM that I bought in 2002 is starting to go kooky on me. I use that and a Specialized Comp computer. Why two seperate devices? Well this way I can strap the monitor on when I'm in the gym or swimming. The bike computer stays with the bike. I have one on every bike I ride: road, cross, mtn and utility (aka grocery bike).
I like the HRM because it shows you are improving. I have a couple of loops I ride that I have time goals of reaching certain points (a gate) and then I have time goals for entire loops. So when I look back, I can see what my average heart rate was and if it's going down. If it is, and my time got shorter, than that's a good sign! It's always upbeat to wear one when you are getting back in shape because I swear I needed a bypass after 2 months of downtime. But after watching the average heart rate and my times decrease, I realized I was out of shape :)
Also, they are a better measurement device for calorie burn. I like that part too so I can just enter the calories and time in my tracker instead of using a generic one. I usually burn more than what they list on here.
Hope that helps. Plus, if you buy the HRM through REI and it konks out in a year or two they take it back and you can get a new one. Now, they told me they aren't going to take back my HRM from 2002 lol
I have owned so many of them since the early 80's. This is more important than you speed because it tells you how hard you are working. If you learn you body and accurately set zones you can set up a more specific training program.
It doesn't have to be a polar. That was my first but any will work. I have the Garmin like Bill. My twin brother from a different mother.
I love my "old" Garmin Forerunner for walking, and my Garmin Edge for biking. It's especially useful here for mountain biking since our local parks are really undeveloped wilderness areas and it's very easy to get lost. Impossible to track your miles off road too....
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I try never to leave home without one. I've had the Polar 400 and am now using the Garmin 500. Both makes are good. If you want to improve your cycling times, HRM's are extremely useful. Once you determine what heart rate range to maintain during a ride, you'll be riding much smarter. Once you've used the HRM for while, the next step will be to purchase a power meter. Now that's for fanatics (Like Me). Hang tough and enjoy.
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