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7/20/11 9:22 P

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Halt will work on a Redneck. Years ago I wanted to see how bad it was. I put military CS gas in the sink and plastic over my head, it was bad. Not something that didn't pass after you coughed out a lung, blew your nose, and flushed out your eyes. The Halt was much worse, it will burn of at least 45 minutes and there is no way you can function. Kind of like putting law enforcement grade pepper spray in your face, lots of Scoville units.

If his neck isn't Red before you spray, it will be.

A fast dog can 35+ and the only way you can out run them is if you get a good angle, the stop at a lot line, or they get tired. It's those dogs that learn and hide under the bushes that will fly into a pack or take your wheel out. If you think you are fast, take your bike to a Greyhound track.

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7/20/11 6:19 P

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Down here, in Tennessee, dogs are the number one hazzard. It's not a matter of "if" you'll get chased by a dog, it's "how many" dogs will chase you!

Chained dogs and invisible fences are rare. I asked a policeman about it once and he said that people use the dogs as their burgaler alarms to keep people off their property. That's why they'll have about 5 dogs wandering around.

On our usual Tuesday night ride, we are always chased by at least 10 dogs! And, yes, there is a leash law in Tennessee!

I love dogs and can read their behavior pretty well. Some get a harsh "No" from me and others get a friendly "Stay." I can't outrun anything bigger than a Weiner Dog, so if I'm by myself I'll stop and befriend them. In a group, I just make sure I'm not in the back. (You know, they go after the old and the weak!!) They also can sense fear and seem to radiate towards the person screaming the most.

I guess there's no sure fire dog cure. Everyone has to do what they're comfortable with. I have Halt, but I don't think I could use it on a dog. (Maybe a psycho redneck, though!)

...and then in the middle of everything, you realize you're alive right now, and the time to live is right now!


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7/19/11 9:42 P

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If there in no "dog at large" local ordinance, check the state statues. If this was considered a dog attack there has to be something on the books. In my state, the owner must for any damage the dog does. Usually it will go on the homeowners policy. If it is documented that a dog has done this before, it's double damages and the dog could gets put down.

If local law enforcement doesn't take action contact the city attorney. Plead your case and if they issue a citation you can then go after the owner for damages. We have done this several times. I was very involved in cycling clubs until about 2000, the club had printed cards everyone carried with the State Statutes for Cyclists, Dogs and Motorists.

Halt works too. It's the stuff the mailman use. It's sold at LBS here.

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7/19/11 12:22 P

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I'm not a fan of tossing dogs treats because it trains them to chase cyclists.

One thing I like to keep in mind is that the dogs are not doing anything wrong. Their instinct is to defend their territory and they do not understand where their own property ends and the street and public property begins. Your best bet is to get unambiguously out of their territory then take the matter up with the dog's owner and then animal control if necessary.

My strategy is to get out of the dog's territory as quickly as possible. If the dog isn't giving up than shout "No!" as loud as you can. Most dogs know "no." A squirt from your water bottle often will surprise a dog enough to stop it. Worst case (which I have had to do a few times) is to get off your bike and hold your bike between you and the dog and either slowly back away or wait for help.

I remember a dog that had been terrorizing cyclists for years. It was in the country where there was no leash law, law enforcement did not consider the dog to be a hazard, and the owner was unresponsive to requests for him to restrain his dog. Finally a cyclist crashed pretty hard trying to sprint away from the dog. At first the dog's owner said he would pay the cyclist's medical bills and to fix his bike but when the bills from the specialist and our estimate for repairs arrived he balked and said that since the cyclist got hurt trying get away from his dog rather than from the dog itself that he was not liable but only volunteered to help out of the kindness of his heart but now that the cyclist was taking advantage of his generosity that he wouldn't pay a dime.

Another cyclist who was fed up with the dog ruining rides drove out and shot the dog. I think it would have been fairer to shoot the owner and place the dog with a more responsible family but our legal system takes a dim view of homicide.

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7/19/11 8:21 A

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Barron, you are right, they are pretty smart. For a while I was riding at the same time every day, so the dogs adapted and were camping out in the bushes (by the street) vs. being in the shade by the house.

Dog treats and a whistle are good ideas. When doing some longer rides out in the boonies if a dog starts chasing I yell "SIT!". Works maybe 65-70% of the time. They don't actually sit, but it causes them to pause momentarily so that I don't get mauled. Usually the dog is owned by someone and almost all dogs know that command.

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7/18/11 12:53 P

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Anybody ever try either a dog whistle or a shrill sports-type whistle? Seems like that might hold them off...have never used though...been very fortunate in my travels thus far!

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7/18/11 12:42 P

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Those dogs learn! Soon one will chase and the other will hide at the base of the hill to ambush you. Better start to adapt, they are learning. You need to figure out if there chase instinct or territory in more important than their nose to stomach. Try tossing some doggie biscuits out and see if they stop. If so you can use this in the future. Bring new riders out and if they blow up just toss out the treats.

If you know they are coming and behind you enjoy the rush. You get a different kind of rush going down the road at 25mph in a pack and a 120 lb Bull Mastiff is waiting for you in the middle of the road with his head down ready to unload.

I think we need a new thread on Dogs vs Cyclists.

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7/18/11 12:11 P

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Haha, thats funny. Never thought of dogs as motivators. I will have to find a new route!

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7/18/11 11:43 A

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35 Friday night, 40 on Sat. 65 on Sunday.

Sunday I did 45 solo to get some hill work and "hammer time in". Came home to get the neighbor boy and did 20 miles with him (he just recently got into cycling). Around the 12 mile mark of one of my courses is a steep 1/4 mile hill. At the base of the hill is a farm with 2 "motivators", aka really pissed off dogs. They are as reliable as the sun rising everyday.

Gave the kid a heads up "Hey, in 200 yards were gonna start climbing that hill and there are a couple dogs who aren't to nice, I'd strongly advise standing + sprinting". He thought I was joking until they charged out trying to maul us. During the climbing between heavy breathing he gave me some choice words; afterwards, he was laughing about it and told me I was mental.

Everyone does diff. things for motivation while biking right?

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Yep, had a couple of nice lite, mighty might women sprint on ahead of me on those climbs but at least I was #3...lol!

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7/17/11 7:53 P

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Nice climbs!!! :)

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Not sure if the link will work as I'm new to RidewithGPS, but he's my 78 miler from yesterday:

ridewithgps.com/trips/316798

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The worst part was the hills they threw in from mile 35 - 80! I wasn't expecting those.

Here's the ride from my Garmin, which died before the ride finished.

connect.garmin.com/activity/99632024

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127 miles in a day...? Wow!

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I finished the 127 yesterday... so this morning I am leading a training ride for our Pelotonia groups... the options are 43 & 56... not sure which one I'll feel like doing. :)

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7/17/11 12:03 A

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Rode to the Gym today from work. Took it easy the 1st 5 miles, then hammered the next 10 including the climbing. Did a few Supersets on the back and rode 15+ mile home for a total of 31. Went easy after the gym for 10 miles and hit it hard the last 5.

Tomorrow it will be hot and I'll be out again.

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7/16/11 11:35 P

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I rode 16.3 miles this morning. Great ride and my personal best so far. Averaged 13 mph

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Looking forward to hearing all about your RAGBRAI experiences!

Had a SUPER day of cycling...haven't tracked up the miles yet...today should put me pretty close to 900 for the season so far!

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7/16/11 9:09 P

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Taking it easy this weekend in preparation for next weekend's RAGBRAI.

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Heading out on a long-ish ride. The scheduled ride with the club is around 37 miles, but my cycling buddy and I plan to ride TO the meeting spot this morning which should approx. DOUBLE that...woo hoo! Booming metropolis of Newark Valley (NOT!)? Here we come! :-)

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7/16/11 7:05 A

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i am riding in a rural area outside of cleveland with 5-6 other people. going 50-55 miles, plan to go an easy pace under 18mph.
probably will mtn bike on sunday.





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7/15/11 11:52 P

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If you have trouble finding time, go fast. Intensity, Duration, Frequency. If you go short and often, go intense. If you have time to do the duration (distance) your intensity will decrease.

It's better to go long and slow to build a base. Once you have that base do a day of speed or hills per week.

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I did the ms150 one year and they sure did a great job putting it on. Very well organized and the morning before the 2nd day they really put out a great spread for breakfast. I didn't camp between days; I stayed at a hotel. A really seedy hotel but still better than sleeping on the ground ;) Sadly I didn't have time to do the whole ride on the first day because I was in a car accident on the way.

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I usually ride both weekend days, but won't be able to tomorrow. Sunday, we bike through northern Georgia below Chattanooga. We'll follow the western valley along Lookout Mountain. Lots of hills, but beautiful.

Next Saturday, I'm leading a 64 mile ride from Reliance, TN to Tellico Plains, TN. We'll have lunch in Tellico and ride up to see Bald River Falls and then return to Reliance. It's my favorite ride!

...and then in the middle of everything, you realize you're alive right now, and the time to live is right now!


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This weekend is the Bike Columbus Festival and tomorrow is the Steve Barbour Memorial ride. Steve was killed 2 years ago by a drunk driver early one morning while he was riding to a group ride. I did it last year, the first year, and I did the 150k. This year my friend and I are doing the 200k (124 miles). Good thing it's mostly flat!



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You have time. Work up to it and make a plan. You should try for a few nights per week and a longer one on the weekends. There is plenty of info on this. Listen to your body.

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DH has decided he wants to do an MS150 ride in October so I'm planning to start training Sunday. Gotta put in more than the 7m we've been doing. 15 sounds like a good number!

Have fun!

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Alright, who has an exciting ride scheduled this weekend? I am planning on 15 miles Sat. morning, my longest yet.

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