Author: Sorting Last Post on Top ↓ Message:
BARRONVC's Photo BARRONVC Posts: 1,845
7/10/11 11:12 A

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
KJNE8O,

If you can describe these sensations of pain to the right qualified person I'm sure there is a solution. Don't give up. Ride you old saddle and keep thinking.

Is a tendon rubbing? Are you tight in a certain area? Nerves go through the pelvis, can you be specific about the sensation. Often the source might be the lower unrelated to your actual seat but from road shock in the low back or position. Try to define this the best you can and keep searching professionals. You might want to email John Howard. johnhowardsports@sbcglobal.net I know he likes a specific saddle but he might know of a professional he has trained in your area.

I guess I'm not much help but at least if you can describe this situation as accurately as possible you might find some answers. You might want to do a 30 second video.

Hills, why would it hurt more on hills? Are you sliding back? Are you sliding or moving slightly forward and grinding into the saddle nose? Is the saddle nose too narrow? Does the saddle seem to bruise your sits bones, is it hard? Road shock, is it more noticeable?

 current weight: 192.0 
 
280
257.5
235
212.5
190
TOPAHI's Photo TOPAHI SparkPoints: (14,026)
Fitness Minutes: (14,408)
Posts: 464
7/10/11 11:06 A

Send Private Message
Reply
Maybe its time to try a different shop with different saddle brands.
None of the shops in my area carried the saddle I have now.
I ordered it from the internet from a company with a liberal return policy.
My preferred local shop carries Specialized and Fizik. I was measured and fitted to quite a few of the saddles they had. ALL of them were REALLY uncomfortable.
Good luck, and don't give up... The right saddle is out there.


Tom

Riding a bike is FUN!
The treadmill is NOT!

Never argue with idiots... They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.


 current weight: 230.0 
 
255
237.5
220
202.5
185
KJNE8O's Photo KJNE8O SparkPoints: (187,624)
Fitness Minutes: (180,735)
Posts: 8,457
7/10/11 9:21 A

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
I emailed with the bike fit guy at the LBS and for now we are going to stick with my old saddle that, for the most part, is pain free. It's just a big, clunky saddle but it seems to work for me :)

Perhaps when the "season" is over and we aren't riding as much I will see if I can find a saddle that works for me. I still want to try a Terry Saddle just to see what they are like.

Thanks for the help all!

Kris

If you focus on results, you will never change. If you focus on change, you will get results. Jack Dixon

If we all did the things we are capabale of doing we would literally astound ourselves.
Thomas Edison


 current weight: 154.0 
 
160
153.75
147.5
141.25
135
BILL60's Photo BILL60 Posts: 227,834
7/10/11 9:12 A

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
I recommend that you not ride that saddle. Discomfort is part of the equation, but what you're experiencing goes beyond that. Find yourself another saddle and good luck. If it's any consolation, the more you ride, the less picky your butt gets. I'm now riding saddles that I wouldn't dream of riding several years ago.

Bill

"Excellence is but for the few."


 current weight: 171.5 
 
201
192
183
174
165
KJNE8O's Photo KJNE8O SparkPoints: (187,624)
Fitness Minutes: (180,735)
Posts: 8,457
7/9/11 9:46 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
BARRONVC - yes, this was a full on fit with all sorts of measurements on a trainer.

Yes, I know it takes time to get used to a saddle, but I don't think that 20 miles into a ride shooting aches and pains down my legs is a good sign. So today that's what I had even though the 29 mile ride on Thursday was fine. The difference between Thursday and today was that today was extremely hilly.

SIGH - not sure what to do.... I have a lot of miles to ride right now.

Kris

If you focus on results, you will never change. If you focus on change, you will get results. Jack Dixon

If we all did the things we are capabale of doing we would literally astound ourselves.
Thomas Edison


 current weight: 154.0 
 
160
153.75
147.5
141.25
135
BARRONVC's Photo BARRONVC Posts: 1,845
7/7/11 1:36 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
KJNE8O,

I have worked with a lot of women cyclists that had a similar problem. Several had Terry Butterfly saddles that broke down over the years. Some had new rides and an improved position. Some a change in riding habits.

You are really pounding in a lot of miles on a new saddle and the body can take time to adapt. Something is missing in the equation to find a better saddle.

Just what did the LBS check?

Did your LBS measure your sits bones? Make a list of possible compatible saddles? Did they put your bike on a trainer, measure it, and actually adjust it for you with each saddle? That's standard at the LBS in my area, they use a Serotta tool to get the saddle position in the ball park, the check check height and fore/aft, as well as, seat tilt. Different saddles are not always the same thickness, shape, therefore, height, fore/aft, and tilt can change.

In the past few weeks I've had 3 female riders friends go to different saddles, all are very happy. One got new Colnago and just needed the bike fitted, got a Sella Italla. One a new Cannondale and ended up with an Adamo Podium, they bent the nose in to give clearance, she just loves the ride. One went from a soft broken down Terry Butterfly to a Bontrager WSD of some kind. It was more firm and was a great improvement in the ability to hold position and efficiency.

Keep trying. Keep reading. Educate yourself. I'm sure you will come to a conclusion. Then blog about it. These tough to solve situations need to be shared with others so they can find a solution.

 current weight: 192.0 
 
280
257.5
235
212.5
190
GIANT-STEPS SparkPoints: (65,300)
Fitness Minutes: (439)
Posts: 3,641
7/7/11 11:49 A

Send Private Message
Reply
In my experience women always have a tougher time finding a comfortable combination saddle and adjustments. Keep working at it though.
About 10% of my female customers were more comfortable on men's saddles than women's. It usually wasn't our first try but if women didn't find comfort after several women's saddles we would try some of the wider men's saddles.
They aren't heavily marketed but my shop had good luck with Avocet saddles. More "hard to please" customers ended up on Avocets than any other brand.

KJNE8O's Photo KJNE8O SparkPoints: (187,624)
Fitness Minutes: (180,735)
Posts: 8,457
7/7/11 6:53 A

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
I am currently in the process of finding a good saddle for me. The one I had/have is one that I got 3 years ago when I just stared riding and walked into an LBS and asked for a saddle. They just handed me this kind of big, more cushy seat and it worked fine until I got into really long rides (anything over 60 miles) and then it became uncomfortable or my piriformis would start to hurt.

This year I tried a Selle Italia Diva - Hated it! Was on a 2 day, 100+ mile each day ride and did the first full day on it (I had ridden with it before for about 100 total miles and still wasn't sure I would like it). I was in so much pain in muscle/tendons that I had trouble sitting. Second day I stopped at 50 miles and had had the foresight to have my bf bring my old saddle and we switched it out.

Yesterday I went for my follow-up fit appointment and we talked about saddles. He had me try 3 different ones and I settled on a Specialized Gel of some sort ( :) )...tonight I'm doing 29 hilly miles and Saturday I have another century. We'll know soon enough if this saddle will work for me. Yes, I'll have my bf bring my old saddle again just in case.

I figure that I'm on my 3rd saddle - so statistically speaking this one won't work and the next one will be great LOL

emoticon

Kris

If you focus on results, you will never change. If you focus on change, you will get results. Jack Dixon

If we all did the things we are capabale of doing we would literally astound ourselves.
Thomas Edison


 current weight: 154.0 
 
160
153.75
147.5
141.25
135
BARRONVC's Photo BARRONVC Posts: 1,845
7/6/11 12:05 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
JONBOYR700,

All these observations are sure going to help others find the right match. One little change even the type of riding shorts and thickness of padding can result in a problem.

I do some spinning from about October to February and I use a different thickness of padding in my shorts to accommodate the heavily padded spinning saddles.

To deal with change you must change or accommodate.

Thanks

 current weight: 192.0 
 
280
257.5
235
212.5
190
JONBOYR700 Posts: 68
7/6/11 7:57 A

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
I agree BARRONVC

"You need the right mix of padding/gel to match your shorts or bibs. Too much padding will tear you up like a bear paw."

That is a mistake I made for years. I'd have a really comfy rear end but be torn in the crotch the next day badly after doing 50+ miles. These days I don't wear gel shorts and just have a a little bit of gel in the saddle which is pretty decent for comfort (even at centuries, doubles, +) and eliminated the tears/rashing. For me, I found after eliminating the gel shorts, I also don't have to use 'butt butter' unless doing a century or longer ride.

The first winter I switched over from a double gel setup (shorts and seat), it took several weeks for the sit bones to adjust fully. If anyone wants to try the seat I mentioned before, it's the Selle Italia Ldy.

Everyone is unique in their fit and sit bones, what works for one person won't work for everyone. Don't be overly surprised if you have to try several diff. saddles to find one that works best (and give it more than a couple days for the sit bones to adjust).

GIANT-STEPS SparkPoints: (65,300)
Fitness Minutes: (439)
Posts: 3,641
7/5/11 12:25 P

Send Private Message
Reply
If you are talking about the plastic saddles with no padding I didn't think they were that bad. They weren't rock hard; the plastic had some flex in it; certainly a lot more than a new Brooks saddle did. Anyway, I had a Brooks Team Pro for many years (at least a dozen). I thought it was going to last forever because I religiously used proofhide. It had gotten wet several times from riding in the rain with no visible damage but one time I was traveling with it on my roof rack through a torrential rain. Driving through the storm completely saturated the leather and even though I put proofhide on it as soon as it dried out it quickly rotted out after that.
I had a Concor too, I had the aluminum rail model you were only supposed to ride one season. A much lighter teammate bought it off me after a year but the rails broke anyway.
I didn't care for Turbos at first but on my 2nd try I realized that it had just the right shape for my bottom and my riding style. The Turbomatic was a little flatter on top and felt even better. Never owned or rode a Flite.
I still have my first Turbo from 25 years ago; it is on my beater bike so it has been ridden often but few long rides.. It was a special edition that had water buffalo instead of cow's leather so perhaps that is why it has lasted so long. It isn't pretty but still works.
Not sure if they are recyclable but if old saddles are in good shape a lot of older bike parts can fetch good prices from restorers. Sadly they were lost in one of my moves but I used to have a pair of Fiamme Red Label rims that I bought in the day but never built into wheels. I think I picked up the pair for under $10 but now I see NOS Fiamme's on eBay going for over $100 each. If I had any idea how much cheap classic rims would fetch in a few decades I would have stocked up on them.

BARRONVC's Photo BARRONVC Posts: 1,845
7/5/11 12:18 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Bill,

I know the feeling. Keep the Ice bucket and A&D at hand.

On a serious note, try to figure where the problem is. It is hitting on a sensitive spot? Could the angle be off slightly? Is the nose too wide or narrow? Take can easy ride and pay careful attention to the issue. Don't go fast, don't ride in a group, feel every bump, be aware of the pressure points.

Take care

 current weight: 192.0 
 
280
257.5
235
212.5
190
BILL60's Photo BILL60 Posts: 227,834
7/5/11 8:30 A

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Recently purchased a Fizik K model. It busted me up on the very 1st ride. I did 33 miles and my butt was on fire. I'm trying to see if it needs breaking in (as the Brooks). I try to ride it every other day for a bit longer each time to see if it's a "KEEPA".

"Excellence is but for the few."


 current weight: 171.5 
 
201
192
183
174
165
BARRONVC's Photo BARRONVC Posts: 1,845
7/4/11 4:29 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
GIANT-STEPS,

Remember the saddles on the 1970-73 Gitane Tour de France, Simplex derailleurs and that plastic saddle? It was hard...how we ever ride that so many miles per day?

An upgrade was the Brooks.

Turbo was a good one. I still have a Blue one somewhere, a Concor, a few Flite's, and a few Cinelli's sitting in my pile of old stuff.

Are those old saddles recyclable?

 current weight: 192.0 
 
280
257.5
235
212.5
190
GIANT-STEPS SparkPoints: (65,300)
Fitness Minutes: (439)
Posts: 3,641
7/4/11 2:40 P

Send Private Message
Reply
I remember the "anatomic" saddles as well. My bike shop's experience was that almost everyone who did less than 100 miles/week loved them and those who rode more usually went for more of a racing oriented seat.
The saddles all of our low end bikes came with were "quilted" seats with a rock hard plastic shell, a little padding and then quilted pattern vinyl. They had to be some of the worst saddles ever made. The Selle Royal Anatomic saddles we routinely replaced every cheap saddle with sold many bikes for us. Our only problem was boxes and boxes of the take off saddles that nobody wanted.

GIANT-STEPS SparkPoints: (65,300)
Fitness Minutes: (439)
Posts: 3,641
7/4/11 2:20 P

Send Private Message
Reply
I've used a lot of saddles over the years. My favorite is Selle Italia Turbomatic. I was afraid I'd have have to find a worthy successor when Selle Italia dropped that model but I guess I'm not the only loyal user because in 2009 they brought it back.

BARRONVC's Photo BARRONVC Posts: 1,845
7/4/11 11:13 A

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
JONBOYR700 Great point!

"It's hard to find a good seat that isn't too wide and doesn't have to much gel in it, which causes me to rash or tear."

You need the right mix of padding/gel to match your shorts or bibs. Too much padding will tear you up like a bear paw.

When people say they want a really soft saddle they have most likely never been bitten. What they want is a saddle that is a match for their anatomy, riding style, position, and riding attire.

 current weight: 192.0 
 
280
257.5
235
212.5
190
JONBOYR700 Posts: 68
7/4/11 9:48 A

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
There are alot of good suggestions out here. I'll throw 2 out that I don't think were mentioned. I switched over to a race slim line female seat (cut out in the center like a male seat and some gel on the seat bones area) over the winter. Feels great! I changed all my seats over. The seat is black with a tiny pit of purple stitching, no one has even noticed. It's hard to find a good seat that isn't too wide and doesn't have to much gel in it, which causes me to rash or tear.

My wife was never able to get over the sit bone pain, so we switched her over to a trike. Drastic change yes, but she loves cycling again.

BLJORDAN's Photo BLJORDAN Posts: 58
7/3/11 6:06 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Brooks hurt like hell at first, but once broken in they are seats that will mold to you. Much like other individuals in this discussion forum I to have tried many saddles. I discovered Fizik saddles approximately 6 years ago and since then all my saddles have been changed to the Gobi on all my mountain bikes an Airione on my road bikes. Everybody is unique to their shape and sizes so take my word for it, listen to your butt and under carriage.

TOPAHI's Photo TOPAHI SparkPoints: (14,026)
Fitness Minutes: (14,408)
Posts: 464
7/3/11 12:11 P

Send Private Message
Reply
I went through quite a few saddles before I settled on a Brooks B17.
Recently, I tried out a few more as the Brooks could not be "set back" far enough on my new bike.
It only took about 30 seconds of riding to realize they weren't going to work.
So I forced (really forced!) the Brooks back far enough and I'm still riding it.

As others have said, you can't go with someone else's saddle recommendation.
This can be one of the most frustrating (and one of the most important) parts of proper bike fitting.
If you don't have a shop willing to let you you "try before you buy" it can also be really expensive.



Tom

Riding a bike is FUN!
The treadmill is NOT!

Never argue with idiots... They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.


 current weight: 230.0 
 
255
237.5
220
202.5
185
BARRONVC's Photo BARRONVC Posts: 1,845
7/3/11 12:13 A

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
PEDR001,

Dude, you don't know me! Please don't judge me or call me "a little patronising" until you fully understand me or my communication style. I didn't mean to come across as patronizing, rather I wanted to educate so some new rider will have a clue on finding the best match and having information for considerations. This forum is to help others. You asked a question that opened the door to ideas and discussion, thanks for asking. It will probably help a new rider that is reading but not posting.

Many people focus on a saddle and forget that a proper fit has a lot to do with the match. With that being said, SCRUFYNERFHERDR is giving great advice and clues for discovery.

As mentioned by others the Fizik has a great sizing system and makes quality products.

The Bontrager's can be hard. I have worked with someone that rides with very thick padding in the cycling shorts. Any soft padding on a bike seat grabs the thicker padding of the shorts and chews up the naughty bits. The Bontrager with the harder platform is perfect for that person, it has a solid surface and relief that is good for the privates with that heavily paddle cycling shorts. My opinion of the Bontrager is like SCRUFYNERFHERDR, plywood and good for crushing walnuts. It works for many.

SCRUFYNERFHERDR, you are correct about the Adamo, the Racing is so hard my soft butt was bruised. The Road is great for me. The front of the saddle can be bent inward if you need relief. It works for me and my physical issues.

Again a LBS will often let you test a saddle.

 current weight: 192.0 
 
280
257.5
235
212.5
190
SWEETCYCLINHAMS's Photo SWEETCYCLINHAMS Posts: 1,247
7/2/11 9:58 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Barron is right. Your size (of a couple of things) plays a big role.

I'm 6' 5" so many saddles made for those who are vertically challenged simply don't work for me.

I rode a Fizik Arione for about 1.5 seasons then switched to a Fizik Aliante. I like(d) them both. They were far, FAR better than the piece of plywood Bontrager that came with my Trek.

Have your LBS do a test with their Assometer (yes, that's actually what it's called). That'll tell you the distance between your sit bones and even the pressure points when you sit. I tried an Adamo and did not like it at all! Stiff, stiff, stiff and unforgiving in "certain" places. Many better LBS's will loan you a saddle to try out, especially if they know you or they know\feel you'll be spending some serious money with them.

Best of luck in your search and ride safe!

 current weight: 204.8 
 
235
227.45
219.9
212.35
204.8
TOOTHFUL99's Photo TOOTHFUL99 Posts: 499
7/2/11 8:30 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
On my old bike, I have a Bontrager seat. It was never very comfortable. My new Specialized came with the stock Specialized seat and I love it. Guess I got lucky with that one.

...and then in the middle of everything, you realize you're alive right now, and the time to live is right now!


 current weight: 146.6 
 
153
145.75
138.5
131.25
124
PEDR001's Photo PEDR001 SparkPoints: (144,531)
Fitness Minutes: (144,330)
Posts: 4,246
7/2/11 4:01 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Hey BARRONVC that sounds a little patronising. I was just trying to instigate a bit of discussion. I didn't say it mattered what anyone rides and I certainly wasn't recommending anything (read my post again), I'm just interested in what other people do and I'm so glad you're happy with your perch.

 current weight: 193.0 
 
193
186.75
180.5
174.25
168
BARRONVC's Photo BARRONVC Posts: 1,845
7/2/11 1:46 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
I would never recommend a saddle for anyone without knowing a lot of variables. You need to know width of the sits bones. Position, flexibility, and physical injuries plays a huge factor. Just a little tilt up or down and your saddle can develop teeth.

How about your genitals? Different naughty bits require different relief/pressure point clearance depending on gender and age.

I road a Brooks back in the late 60's and early 70's when I was racing and doing heavy miles. At that time Brooks (once broken in) was considered the top choice. We didn't have home PC's, cars were like tanks, and there was no internet. Johnson and Nixon were in the White House. Then a few companies started coming out with anatomical saddles, last 70's early 80's. The Advocet and Turbo, as well as, a few others. I thought they sucked at the time but today, innovation with anatomical understanding has allowed designs to come a long way. Over the years I spent $1000's on saddles. I believe getting fit for a saddle that matches you(broken body) and your bike position is a big key to riding pain free.

I'm old and have enough pain. I got fitted and it worked for me. The Brooks saddle would kill me.

I ride the saddle that works for me. After a new hip and other surgeries I've been fitted for a custom bike to match my body. Last surgery was for my lumbar spine in May 2010. I got the custom frame in July 2010, been doing pretty good and never had to adjust anything since the final tune up fitting. The saddle? It works so I don't care what it is. It's simply a platform for support that allows to ride with no discomfit at all.

I have wider sits bones and a narrow saddle would climb up and cut off my blood flow and nerves after that hip replacement. I have the Adamo Road, just went to look. It doesn't work for people that need narrow. I couldn't ride the Adamo Racing as it was way too hard at that time right after my surgery. I don't plan to change, in fact I didn't even know the Brand Name until I saw this post and went over to look at my bike.

Many Mfg's have a fitting system, Specialized, Bontragger, etc..

If the Brooks works then what does it matter what others ride.

 current weight: 192.0 
 
280
257.5
235
212.5
190
CAROLYN1ALASKA's Photo CAROLYN1ALASKA Posts: 10,871
7/2/11 1:45 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
I ride a Fi'zi:k Pave on my road bike and a Fi'zi:k Gobi on my mountain bike.

Choose those after a try of about 5 different saddles (Terry, Selle Italia, Fox... I can't even remember them all), on my road bike. Guess I'm hard to fit.

Oddly, the women specific saddles were the worst of all!

“The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what you don't like, and do what you'd rather not.”
Mark Twain


 July Minutes: 1,675
 
0
500
1000
1500
2000
PEDR001's Photo PEDR001 SparkPoints: (144,531)
Fitness Minutes: (144,330)
Posts: 4,246
7/2/11 1:02 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
OK, I did a search on this and couldn't find much about peoples choice of perch. I ride a Brooks B17 Narrow on my sportive/road bike and a Brooks B17 Standard on my commuter. What do you guys ride?

 current weight: 193.0 
 
193
186.75
180.5
174.25
168
Page: 1 of (1)  

Report Innappropriate Post

Other Cycling - Road, Mountain, Fun, Racing General Team Discussion Forum Posts

Topics: Last Post:
Care to Share the Story of Your First Bike? 6/17/2013 6:15:12 PM
August 2013 goals/re olutions 8/18/2013 11:24:08 AM
Folding Bikes 8/28/2013 2:44:04 PM
Thanksgiving Day - Virtual Team Ride 11/30/2013 2:10:20 AM
May 2013 goals and resolutions. 5/8/2013 2:55:25 PM

Thread URL: http://www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/team_messageboard_thread.asp?board=0x1670x42764569

Review our Community Guidelines