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Thanks for the tips.

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To help with you get better with clipless pedals.

Do you have a trainer? Get on that and do in and out each leg 20X's per day. With in an week you will be good.

Find a bike path or open parking lot. Clip one leg out and back in. 20 x's each leg.

On a ride you don't clip out too many times unless in the city so a few days of practice will get you in the comfort zone quickly.

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Well, then I'm right at the average.
I've fallen 3 times, but well after I was used to the pedals (maybe that makes me dumber than average).
All have been at veeerrrry slow speeds; twice in front of people, and one time into a huge mud puddle.

What I need now, is to make sure my wife doesn't fall until she is used to them.
I don't want her to chuck the whole clipless thing before she fully realizes the benefit.

Wish me luck!

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11/27/10 8:31 P

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Well, you know what they say....everyone usually falls 3 times before they're used to clipless pedals. That's usually coming to a stop at an intersection, in front of a bunch of people!



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Thanks...

New member of the family is right.

We are working on how to use the SPD pedals right now.
This is a brand new concept for my wife, and she is a little leery.
The process is not helped by her having seen me fall over in mine (not one of my finer cycling moments).


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Congratulations on the new member of your family!

...and then in the middle of everything, you realize you're alive right now, and the time to live is right now!


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Thanks everyone for your help and input.
My wife is now the new owner of a Specialized Dolce Elite.
Thanks again.

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I know I initially did not want drop bars, but followed the advice of experienced riders and went with them and am SO PLEASED I did! Straight bars would be so BORING on those long rides!

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Don't just ride it! Have her position checked and professionally sized. This service is usually free if you purchase a bike from that shop.

We have one really good sizer in this area, probably one of the best in the country. People seek him out, it makes a difference, a huge difference.

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11/24/10 3:04 P

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Thanks for the advice.
My wife actually just test rode the men's Giant Defy as the women's model (Avail) was not in stock. She really liked it and seemed to fit her surprisingly well... now it makes sense as to why.

It was a little hard to get her choices narrowed down in the beginning as going to a drop bar was such a big change. At first she was leaning toward the flat bar bikes, but now after a few test rides she is really comfortable with the drop bars.

Now it's just a matter of picking the right model.


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That is correct about Women Specific bikes. Each person has a different body and parameters. Checking someone on a size cycle them running those numbers against geometries available will give you all the options. Therefore, often these women's specific bikes will not fit all women. They are extreme, often for longer legs and shorter torsos.

Had a friend that was hit by a car and needed a new bike. She was intent on getting a women's specific bike. When finally measured by a pro bike fitter she actually needed a men's version to accommodate her longer torso and shorter legs. The 2 best fits were a Colnago Ace and Cannondale Synapse (not women's version). She is Italian and wanted the Colnago. That bike shop didn't have any but the fitter did send her to another state where a shop had one in her size and adjusted it to for a fee. The results were fantastic and she was very pleased to pay the fee. The bike fits so well, her riding is so smooth and strong. Even the pro fitter was impressed when he took her out on the road to dial things in.

Fit is it.

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Apex is actually a good choice. Much better than Tiagra or Sora which are the Shimano equivalents.

Don't get hung up on womens specific geometry. It's all marketing BS. I would also get her on some equivalent "mens" bikes to make sure that the Dolce actually fits the best right out of the box.

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11/22/10 1:18 P

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Wow BARRONVC... thanks!
And everyone, thanks for your help.
It looks like the Specialized will work.
If not, we'll probably look at one of the other bikes with triple.

Thanks

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Here are the Gear inches. That is pretty good 28. You should not need a triple unless you have the bike loaded with packs.

Rear cog-Below 34 50
11 83.45454545 122.7272727
12 76.5 112.5
13 70.61538462 103.8461538
15 61.2 90
17 54 79.41176471
19 48.31578947 71.05263158
22 41.72727273 61.36363636
15 61.2 90
28 32.78571429 48.21428571
32 28.6875 42.1875


Speed you will be doing at 80 RPM in MPH

80 0 34 50
11 0 19.25964187 28.32300275
12 0 17.65467172 25.96275253
13 0 16.29662005 23.96561772
15 0 14.12373737 20.77020202
17 0 12.46212121 18.32664884
19 0 11.15031898 16.39752791
22 0 9.629820937 14.16150138
15 0 14.12373737 20.77020202
28 0 7.566287879 11.12689394
32 0 6.620501894 9.736032197



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11/22/10 11:32 A

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Thank you everyone for your help.

This will be my wife's first road bike and I'm trying to put appropriate choices out there for her.
We have lots of steep hills around us, where I "think" she would do better in a triple, but this Apex group seems like it "might" work.
Because she is an inexperienced rider, trying to test some of the capabilities of the bike is difficult on just a test ride.

The specialized Dolce is the aluminium version of the Ruby.
The bike fits her well and she likes it.
This bike is priced at the top of our budget at $1300.00.
At this price range there are compromises to be made in every bike we look at.

The SRAM Apex is a compact crankset with an 11-32 cassette.
Here are a couple links:


www.sram.com/sram/road/category/254

bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/20
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Thanks again for the response.

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The Ruby is a very fine women's specific bike. Not all women will fit this model if they have a longer upper body. It's a great choice. The Ruby can be hard to find as Specialized didn't bring many into the country, most went to Europe last year. If you want one, put an order in soon, once spring comes the go fast. A lot of ladies love them.

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TOOTHFUL,

We don't have the mountains like you do. My choice would still be a double for now.

With a tandem or recumbent you need a triple. I have ridden both an used a triple.

My sister lives in Colorado Springs and the climbs would make me consider a compact if I was there a lot. Ridden around Breckenridge and wife did the Carpenter Phinney bike camp, I been up Loveland pass and a few others. The riding is very different than here. I have ridden in a lot of areas and appreciate a variety. Long climbs in Colorado and Hawaii are unique and a lot like doing long intervals, you need a good fit and proper center of gravity to descend and hold the road. Everybody talks about going up, its hard on the body when descending a long time if the bike doesn't fit. I've ridden up and down Haleakala in a double and it didn't hurt for too many days.

Carbon is a nice ride. I just got a custom made Serotta full Ti bike and really like it, I've never had a better ride. I do love the ride of carbon for longer rides, I plan on dumping my Specialized Roubaix Pro frame and looking for a carbon frame that fits my body better. A bike fitter friend said a certain Cannondale might work or BMC (Top quality Swiss Made) would be an option.

I want to find a carbon back up bike, might put a compact on it.



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My Mom, sister and I all ride Ruby's and we love them very much! Before I had a Trek WSD and had many problems and could never get the right fit.

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SRAM is ok. Many of my road racing friends like it for sprinting. For the most part its gaining popularity and the quality seems pretty consistent.

The idea of a compact crank is not new and I like 2 chain-rings over 3 any day. With the top riders about 1/2 have gone to compacts 50/36. It really doesn't matter as long as you know your gearing and rpm.

Send me the specs, Chain-rings and rear cogs, I did a spreadsheet of each gear inch, rpm vs speed for each gear. Do you know the wheel roll-out? Then it's dead on. Look at the biggest gear you use and the smallest, make sure most of your usable gears in between.

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I ride a Specialized Ruby Expert. It's a new bike that I got in August to replace my Jamis Quest. The Jamis was a great, steel-framed bike, but was a men's frame that was too big for me. I rode it for 4 years and put over 16,000 miles on it, though my knees complained the whole time!

The Specialized is a great bike. Aside from fitting me MUCH better, for a carbon frame the ride is butter smooth!

It has Ultegra componants, which is what I had on my Jamis. I figured why change when I liked what I had.
Now, I had to do some work to get a triple chain ring on this bike. I live where there is a lot of mountain climbing and I know my ability. Believe me, I use all of those gears! When looking for a new bike, I was often told that a compact double is almost like a triple. Well...if it's ALMOST like a triple....give me a triple! I will continue to spin past all of those compact doubles cranking up a mountain!

I had a friend (unfortunately killed in a biking accident this summer) who loved his SRAM componants. He said he'd rather spend the extra money on his frame and save on the componants.

Buying a new bike is a hard thing to do. There are so many choices to make and you want it to be perfect. Good luck on your decisions!

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Heartily seconded, re: Specialized is stuck in the garage...!

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Yes, I agree totally about bike fit.

I was inquiring about the SRAM Apex group set because it is brand new.
SRAM has only recently entered the road bike market and the Apex group is a new design for them. It is a double with a different gear ratio designed to take the place of a triple.

I was hoping someone might have ridden this new group set and be able to offer some insight.

I am very familiar with the Shimano line on road bikes and mountain bikes, but I have no experience with SRAM's road offerings.

It's a shame your Specialized is stuck in the garage.
I hope you are still able to get some rides in on your custom bike.

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Everything in a certain price range will be pretty comparable from one mfg to another. Specialized is a good value as are others.

No matter how good the components if they bike doesn't fit you won't be happy. Look for fit, then find a frame that will be able to accommodate your requirements, and last pick the makers/components.

I have a bike I can't ride because it doesn't fit me anymore. Injuries and surgeries, it's a Specialized Roubaix Pro, full Dura-Ace, nice bike but it hurts to ride it.

Had a custom frame made to accommodate me. I know not all will need this but there are a lot of different geometries out there and you need to find what fits. I wish I could ride a standard production model.

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I think both are important.

Edited by: TOPAHI at: 11/21/2010 (19:17)
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Don't worry about the components. Worry about the fit can correct position.

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DDOORN,

Yes, I'm referring to the model of the shifters, derailleurs, and brakes.

By the way, the TriCross is my next bike... 7 more pounds to go!
Glad to hear you like it.


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Apologies, but my level of cycle knowledge is limited...not a clue as to the meaning of 105...ah, you probably mean this? "Lighter, better-shifting Shimano 105/Ultegra 18-speed drivetrain"...?

I bought mine last Feb. and I'm not sure how it compares to the one they have on their site these days:

www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCBkMo
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I don't remember Specialized having both the "Comp" and the "Sport" options last year. The pricing of mine was on the lower "Sport" end...so I'm guessing that's what I have.

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DDOORN...

That has the 105 right?

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Not a woman, but I love my Specialized Tricross Double! :-)

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Does anyone have any experience with this bike?
We are looking to get my wife a new bike and this one right now is the front-runner.
I am most interested if anyone has any experience with the new SRAM Apex group set.
If you are riding this bike or anything with the SRAM Apex group set I would really like to hear your opinion.
Thank You

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