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I have tried, and will continue to try running, but joint problems seem to keep this a somewhat elusive goal. A couple years ago I got up to 5K level, definitely not there now.

One difference in biking and jogging is you can coast in biking. Doesn't mean you do but you keep moving when you coast. When you jog/run, you can walk but you have to make effort the whole time.

For me, because I find running difficult and find biking easier, it will be a bigger difference. I did a 160 distance (RAIN - Ride Across INdiana) 2 years ago - yes that's one day. I haven't done a marathon, but I'd consider a 160 mile ride to be equivalent.

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"About half the 5ks I see are chip timed (and most races longer than that) I haven't seen evidence of it on cycling events short of the 200s. "

Sorry, Im really new to all of this, but the 30K I just did had the little magnetic timer things - so I'm guessing "chip timed".
It was runners and cyclists, so maybe thats why though?


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9/9/10 8:57 A

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3:44 is sick. Regardless if that is a large pelaton or a flat course, that is an insane level of fitness just to hang on for that type of time and effort.

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At the ride I went to this weekend, the Elite Pelaton riders start earlier, and wear timing chips. The record for this ride was in 2008, at which the time for 100 miles was 3:44:55. You can check this out on the website clarksvillecentury.com or search Clarksville Sunrise Classic and look at their history. It's a flat ride on good roads, and is known to be one of the fastest centuries in the country.
There are shorter rides offered. I rode the 100 in 8 hrs (6:57 ride time)

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4:35 is a pretty damn respectable time.That's awesome. I did a race in the spring where some guys were gearing up for RAAM. They did not slow down the entire day (and a long one it was). A couple other people were using the day as a qualifier and kept going after the 12 hour time limit since there was a director on site.

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About half the 5ks I see are chip timed (and most races longer than that) I haven't seen evidence of it on cycling events short of the 200s.


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Really? Everyone I know keeps track of their century times.

My fastest century came a time when Scott Dickson showed up. This was before he won Paris-Brest-Paris but we did all read in Winning magazine about how the French officials turned their head and let the French riders cheat when they feared an American might win P-B-P.

Anyway, we all expected Dickson to drag us to death; we knew he could fly and 100 miles was a short ride for him. He just rode steady and not super fast. Several of us even made little breaks trying to tempt him into chasing us down but he never did so each time the break would give up and be swallowed by the peloton.

This was at the end of the racing season and I crashed a few times on that set of wheels so they were already kind of hammered; I figured I'd rebuild them during the winter and got them true enough to ride until then. Around half way through I broke a spoke. I adjusted my rear wheel a bit so it wouldn't rub and rode on but it got worse so I had to stop. One of my teammates girlfriend was doing support and saw me by the side of the road and when she learned of my problem gave me a wheel to finish on. I asked her to motorpace me back up to the front and she said yes but when she took off she accelerated away. Afterword she told me she thought I was joking when I asked for a tow. A little later another cyclist I knew doing SAG in a van drove up beside me and asked why I wasn't with the lead group so I told him about breaking a spoke and having to stop and get a wheel to continue. He offered to motorpace me up and he wasn't joking. Motorpacing 45 MPH it didn't take me long to catch up. Shortly after I got back on Dickson decided it was time to put the hammer down. We were getting dropped across the countryside and forming back into small chase groups. Dickson finished in 4:15 and the only person who could stay on his wheel to the end was one of my teammates. I rolled in 4:35 which is still something to be proud of in my book. I'm sure Dickson could have rode it well under 4 hours if he rode it like a race.

Being in Texas this was a flat century. Hilly centuries are much tougher.

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8/27/10 8:43 P

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I just say to people "I rode 80 miles" because when I did the metric century people just gave me a blank look.

I really look forward to the day when running 10 miles is as easy as the metric century!


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Per "The Complete Book of Long-Distance Cycling", a century is the equiv. of a marathon and 125+ is considered ultra distance. Personally, I think a ride equal to or over 200 miles is ultra distance.

I'm not a big one for stickers and praise. Just out to improve year to year and achieve new goals.

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AZWANZIG:
Actually your examples illustrate the comparison between distances pretty well. You cruised through a HM and that felt about the same as just cruising a metric century.

If you're talking about an apples-to-apples comparison then the effort level has to be the same. When I RACE (both run and bike) the effort level is the same for 5k run and 15k Time Trial, 10k and 40k TT and HM and road race of ~100k. I'll never run a marathon and have cruised a century (long distances bore me).

Times are also similar with the bike slightly longer: 5k/15k ~25 mins, 10k/40k 50-60mins, HM/metric 2-3hrs.

Kris:
A century doesn't have the marketing of a big marathon. Everyone knows what a marathon is because of, say, Boston, NY,Chicago etc, and Oprah! Likewise, everyone thinks Ironman is the only triathlon...

I actually want a sticker that says "3.1" on it. That's my position on stickers...

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" I say "I rode a century" and people look at me and say "huh?" I can buy all kinds of things that say 26.2 - bumper stickers, bondibands, t-shirts, etc. But why can't I find anything that says 100?"

Probably because Oprah hasn't ridden a century :)

I agree that the disprity between the attention given to running and biking in popular culture to be unfair. We do deserve every bit as much respect for long distance biking as long distance runners get. Let's give Oprah a yellow jersey and see what happens.

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I guess I wasn't looking at the comparison of the century and a marathon as far as effort goes. Sure, we can do a marathon and just worry about finishing and it takes us 6 hours. But all you have to do is look at someone and say "I ran a marathon" and everyone ooohs and ahhhhs. I say "I rode a century" and people look at me and say "huh?" I can buy all kinds of things that say 26.2 - bumper stickers, bondibands, t-shirts, etc. But why can't I find anything that says 100? And don't I deserve as many ooohs and ahs for having completed a century as someone who has run a marathon? I trained long and hard too. I actually completed a 2 day event and covered 185 miles - do people run a marathon on Saturday and the run a half on Sunday?

I hope you all see where I'm going with this - which is why I stated that running seems to be more accessible than cycling due to the costs but that doesn't make cycling any less of an endurance event does it? Does't everyone who's completed a century deserve just as much praise and admiration as someone who has run a marathon?

Or are they just too different?

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I think it is impossible to compare any given distance, whether it is run or biked, with another because the way in which you make your way through that distance makes a huge difference in how you feel about it.

For example, I ran a 1/2 marathon in May in which my goal was simply to finish rather than make a good time. I finished in a little over 2 1/2 hours with lots of walking along the way. At the end, although tired, I wasn't exhausted and probably could have made a second lap in the same amount of time for a full marathon. Granted I was training for a full marathon and was 12 weeks into a 16 week program at the time.

4 weeks later, after downgrading my marathon to a 1/2 marathon due to injury, I ran with a time goal of 2 hours. I finished in 1:58. And I was SPENT. It was no fun after 10 miles. There was no comparison between the 2 events. Although the distance was the same, the effort was worlds apart.

Last weekend I rode my bike 72 miles in about 6 hours 15 minutes including 3 breaks of about 15 minutes each. Again, my goal was to finish and not meet a time limit. After finishing I felt about like I did after my 1st 1/2 marathon. Tired but not spent. Had I pushed for a time limit I could easily have bonked 1/2 way through and had a completely different experience.

Ok, the point of all of this is: I don't think that finding equivalencies between running and biking based on distances to be meaningful because the effort put into those distances makes so much difference as to how you feel about them. So it seems that the equivalencies are to be found in the ideas and romantic feelings associated with the distances. And from that point of view, and as has been demonstrated in many of the responses here, the century carries the same romantic weight for bikers as the marathon does for runners, and therefore the century is equivalent to the marathon.

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I'd have to agree with the century. I'm training for a metric century right now and that 62 miles is every bit a daunting to me as running a 1/2 marathon would be. And really I'm only running 5K's right now. Biking has been a much easier training regiment for me. We're putting 4 1/2 hours on the bike at a time during our long training rides right now.

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I also heard recently that 4 miles of biking equals a mile of running. So with that ratio would the bikers marathon be around 104 miles plus 4X the 300 yards?

I don't ride the bike to lose weight, but I lose weight to ride the bike!

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Here's how I see it:

5k run = 15k Time Trial
10k = 40k TT
HM = Metric Century
Marathon = Century.

For me each of these distances takes me longer on the bike than on foot. But if you RACE each distance, they are completely equivalent.

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Hey, Guys. I think some are seeing the point I was trying to make but I think I didn't explain it well enough.

If you notice, all references to both terms keep using the same two words: "marathon" and "century". If you want to make it harder, it's a double-century or a double-marathon. Again, the root words denote the consensus that the century, or marathon, are the laudable goal and anything more is a measurement of achievement held up in comparison against said goal.

That being said, and to reiterate what many have said here, the Century, by far, has to be the equivalent of a full marathon.

But to say that it's the ride itself vs. the distance, I do not agree. If I pumped it out, really hit hard, and rode a 33 mph average for 30 miles, would that be the equivalent of riding 100 miles at 10 mph? Of course not. I think to a degree, there is validity to your contention but only to a point.

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8/25/10 5:31 A

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In my running days I did many marathons. Nowadays I find cycling the metric century much easier than running a marathon, and the "real" century 160 km harder (maybe because I am older now). Did a 135 km ride (about 85 miles) found that distance/time very much like running a marathon

Ran many ultra marathons (90 km, 56 miles)taking roughly 2 hours longer than the time that I did my century, the running effort and work was MUCH heavier.

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Sorry, but I call 80 miles in 6hrs (so 100 in around 8) equivalent to a marathon done in that time. An 8hr marathon is practically walking it.

The fact that you can jump on a bike and do the distance is because of the nature of cycling as opposed to running, not an artefact of distance. As a result you should be comparing time taken to complete rather than distance travelled.

I am a multisporter and all my tri buddies agree that the bike equivalent of a marathon is the century.

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I did 80 miles (in 6 hours) in tennis shoes on a 44lb bike after 4 months of training. (on a bike with a poor fit that was paining me) If I had a real road bike and cycling shoes.... I am sure I could have done a century. In the same time period I did a "couch to 5k".
Those 6 hours were nothing like the pain I have seen runners doing 26 miles in.

That is why I am inclined to say a 200 in real gear is the equivalent... but I am happy to agree to disagree.

I am sure a triathlete would say 112 miles is the equivalent as that is the Ironman standard to the marathon.


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I'd have to chime in and say a Century. Anyone saying something like 150-160 miles, or so, simply isn't being realistic.

It took me almost a year to work up to a full Century, and that was with SEVERAL setbacks. It wasn't easy, but I did it! And besides, the full marathon is a static measurement of exactly 26.2 miles. The Century is exactly 100 miles. Why would a roundabout measurement of 150 miles be something that one would postulate when a Century, much like a full marathon, is that lofty goal that so many of us strive for and, dare I say, somewhat proudly exclaim, "I DID IT!"? I know of NO ONE who has just started out cycling that can immediately ride a full Century - not saying it can't be done, I simply know of no one who has. I believe the same can be said for a marathoner.

What do you guys think,?

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To me the cycling equivalent of a marathon is the century ride. But NOT ridden like a tour, but as a race.

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In California we have some double centuries where people ride 200 miles in a day There is even the glory of the California Triple Crown: http://www.caltriplecrown.com/
for people who have completed 3 of those double century rides.

Now that said... cyclists don't have a "time" culture from what I have noticed. I haven't ever heard someone in my club saying "I did X ride in 5 hours". And my Garmin tracks over all time differently from "moving time". Personally I can't take breaks longer than 15min or I get tight and sore, so my breaks are about fuel and potty.


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If you do the Hawaii Marathon (I think this is the right one) there is no time limit and people stop for lunch in the middle of it! LOL.



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Hard to translate directly but I'd say a century is the closest cycling equivalent to running a marathon.

Not all cyclists ride centuries like events. I see a lot of cyclists meandering from rest stop to rest stop every 10 miles and socializing. Marathoners generally don't stop every couple of miles to talk.

For cyclists who ride hard, a century can be every bit as daunting as a marathon.

I've done enough centuries 20 years ago. Now I got my heart set on doing a double. I figure I'll never come close to touching my century times as a young buck so instead of doing it again just much slower I want a new challenge. I'm shooting for 12 hours. This would probably be in the same ballpark as a 50 mile ultra-endurance run.

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This was my logic....

Average marathoner - 4 to 6 hours to run a marathon, weeks of training.

Average century ride - 6 to 8 hours to ride (?), weeks of training.

OK, just in the sheer time it takes to complete the event I'd say a century is just as good as a marathon! And if it's a longer ride like a 160-200 miler is that in one day or two? A double century done in one day on the bike, to me at least, would amount to the same as at least a 50 mile ultra wouldn't it?

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I would say a century.

For my half marathon training group, I was asked to logged my bike miles whenever I trained. I was training for a triathlon. My bike miles was converted to run miles with a ratio of 1 run mile for every 4 miles biked.
I looked online and found 3-1 to 4-1 is about right assuming equal effort per various websites.

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Great Question! I would think a century would be to short. I would think perhaps 150-160Mi would be closer.

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I'm not sure if I would consider it the century or the time or number of consecutive days in the saddle. We did 170 kms (just over 100 miles) in 2 days for our MS Rona Bike Ride this summer. I can honestly say it was getting back into the saddle the second day that was as hard as the last few kilometers in my half marathon this spring!!

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I would say it's definately the century. It's a shame that there aren't more cycling events around. You can pretty much find a 5k every other weekend, but I only one or two centuries offered a year (at least in my area).

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So I got to thinking yesterday and figured I'd post this here... so often we hear such an emphasis on running (especially here on SP) and the running groups far out weigh the cycling groups probably since it's cheaper to buy a pair of shoes and run than it is to get a bike. As a result we hear a lot about marathons and training for a marathon or half marathon, etc.

What is the runner's marathon equivalent to for a cyclist? Is it the century?

Just curious what everyone else's thoughts are on this. :)
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