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 DRC2205 Posts: 8,845 6/24/10 11:16 A Since I am lazy about math in my head, I usually take a Celsius temp, multiple by 2 and add 32. (32 degrees is the freezing point for fahrenheit.) The reverse would be subtracting 32 and dividing in half. For the high temps, I know to allows a few degrees as a range. It's not exact, but the math is easier! 96 F - 32 = 64 / 2 = 32 C (instead of the 35.5 that it really is) Edited by: DRC2205 at: 6/24/2010 (11:18)
SWEETCYCLINHAMS Posts: 1,249
6/23/10 8:51 P

A little trick? Always simply remember two numbers:
1.8 and 32.

You know that 0*C = 32*F, so just take 32 from F and divide 1.8 and there ya' go! Conversely, multiply C by 1.8 and add 32. There ya' go! See? Not too tough. (^_^)

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6/23/10 8:47 P

Yeah, but I'm terrible with numbers. The numbers always get twisted around in my head. :) haha

Thanks, though. :D

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6/23/10 8:36 P

Conversion from F to C is really very simple.

For example, today it was 96*F for us:
(96-32) / 1.8 = 35.55*C

Conversely:
(35.55 x 1.8) + 32 = 95.99*F

See? Easy as Pi...er, I mean pie.

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6/23/10 6:02 P

Good to know! I'm just starting to research all this stuff, & I've only just heard about hydration packs but haven't yet had a chance to see or try any. Good things to consider.

I don't know those temps are in Celsius (I'm up in Canada), but sometimes it gets really muggy, & I have to consider the heat because I get so horribly overheated.

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6/23/10 5:00 P

The thing I don't like about hydration packs (I'm assuming you're talking about the backpack style of water container, like the camel back) is, especially in the south, you have that thing on your back for the WHOLE ride and, when it's in the 90's and 100's, you get so, so sweaty because there's no air circulating over your back! Plus, once it's empty, that thing is still on your back, keeping air from circulating.

If you're referring to the gel packs that are a highly viscous form of nutrient\hydration\electrolyte replenishment, those are pretty good. My only qualm with them is, just like the Clif bars, once you've ''drunk'' the pack, you have this goopy foil packaging you have to carry around with you for the remainder of your ride.

These are the main reasons why I chose two water bottles. Yes, they are a little bit ''old school'', sitting on my down tubes vs. mounted beneath\behind my seat, but they are very easily accessible, I can switch them out so the one I normally always reach for is there (when the one closest to me is empty, I just change out their positions so I'm reaching a minimal distance for a fresh bottle).

Given how inexpensive water bottles are, vs. the camel back backpack systems, I would opt for that as a first line of defense. If you find it lacking, then you can make the move, and the investment, to the next step.

Those are my thoughts. Your mileage may differ.

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6/23/10 4:52 P

Thanks for all the input - I really do appreciate it, & it has helped me a lot. I'm definitely going with reusable plastic bottles for cycling. I don't have a dishwasher, except for myself. :)

Squeezing's definitely a plus, as is the noise factor. I can't stand rattly noises when I'm on my bike - I always think something's wrong, even if I know better. :)

Ooh - hydration packs. Someone elsewhere mentioned these to me. It's another option I'm considering. Any thoughts on those?

Any further ideas'd be welcome, but this has definitely given me something to think about. :) I am doing my own outside research on this subject, but it's always great to get input from fellow Sparkers if at all possible. :)

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 DRC2205 Posts: 8,845 6/23/10 10:08 A Never thought about that STINKY--I don't have any insulated bottles! Good point.
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6/23/10 9:40 A

Agreed, DRC. However, keep in mind, the insulated bottles should be hand-washed, only. Any insulated plastic container, albeit coffee mug\cup, water bottle, etc, should never be washed in the dishwasher. This can cause the item to crack, exposing the insulation and or the fluid filled mugs\cups can actually rupture, contaminating your ''clean'' dishes.

Also avoid using anything that could scratch the interior of the bottle like plastic sponges. The micro-scratches created can provide areas where bacteria can easily hide and find their way into your drink(s) which could jeopardize your health.

My last water bottle lasted me far longer than I think I should have kept it. I think I had it for about 16 years. Rule of thumb, for me, is 10 years tops just because the plastic will develop micro-scratches on its interior, at some point, and it's simply a good idea to change the bottle out periodically, as a result. Five years might be more of a wise time frame - not sure if there's a true standard on water bottles like there is on helmets.

Ride safe, Guys!

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 DRC2205 Posts: 8,845 6/23/10 9:03 A I agree with RESIP--my reason for not going with SS is that you can't squeeze it. Seriously, most people I know keep their plastic water bottles for a very long time. They go in the dishwasher if you want, and have a wide enough mouth that they can be cleaned by hand as well.
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6/21/10 8:41 P

Thanks! :) I'll have to get into Abbotsford sometime with someone with a Costco card (doesn't pay for me to have one :) ) & see if the one there has them, as well as to MEC.

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6/21/10 1:46 P

Michelle - they definitely have them up here and sometimes have them up here at Costco. Not always, tho, and not at all of the Costcos. They also have them at MEC, I believe (online through mec.ca).

The big problem I found with my SS water bottle (bought it for non-plastic reasons) is that you can't squeeze it, so you end up getting virtually no water. Dribble, dribble. So I have gone back to plastic. They last a long time.

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6/19/10 8:30 P

I'll see if they have it up here in Canada after checking out the link. Thanks to both of you for your links & info. :)

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6/19/10 7:41 P

Not sure why BRTRAINS link didn't work when copied and pasted but you can see the ones I got here by just clicking: www.coloradocyclist.com/product/item
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AMRJQGL

These are also about \$3 each cheaper than I paid at my LBS for mine. While I believe in saving as much as possible, even \$6, there's something to be said for laying hands on, actually seeing what you're considering purchasing and the ever wonderful feeling of instant ''getification''.

These have a great little spill proof, 1/4 turn twist-type top. You can open it up, like a normal water bottle - but it won't spill - and when you go to drink, you'll think the floodgates have opened up! I was very pleasantly surprised at how much better these are than my Polar was.

OH! And when the Trek guy tried to talk me into spending \$50 EACH on my new cages, ''With a bike like that [mine], you'd be doing it an injustice putting something cheap on there,'' I politely told him I believed in spending money where the benefit justified the cost, and promptly grabbed two \$13 plastic cages. Seriously, \$100 for a couple of cages?! I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.

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6/19/10 7:34 P

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/common/s
earch/search-results1.jsp?_

copy and paste.. These are fairly inexpensive

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6/19/10 7:22 P

Thank-you, both. :) I'm still fairly new to more "serious" cycling. :)

What're Camelbacks? Is that a brand name?

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SWEETCYCLINHAMS Posts: 1,249
6/19/10 7:16 P

I've seen plenty of stainless but you have to figure the logistics of it. If you drop that stainless bottle just one time, from up in the saddle, at 20 mph, it's going to be dented, dinged and banged all to heck. It may even get smashed and or cause a wreck if you're in a group ride.

Yes, plastic isn't so green but it IS reusable and it is a very safe alternative to something less conducive than a stainless container. Just take care of it and it'll last you a very long time. You can keep the old ones for doing things around the house, or even for hikes, until they're totally unusable.

Like you, I wanted stainless, but the physics just didn't work to that end. Besides, none of the stainless are insulated, where some of the plastics are. Another boon in the 95*+ temps we get here in the south. I just replaced mine this past week with some insulated Camel backs that had back-flow valves - very nice touch. They've made some real changes to these things in the last 10 years.

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6/19/10 6:53 P

I feel that whatever you use as long as you use it over and over you are being as green as you can be..

All mine are plastic BUT i will use those for a long time..

If you can find stainless go for it!!

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6/19/10 5:53 P

I'm trying to avoid using plastic as much as possible, but is this possible when it comes to the water bottles cyclists use? Are they all those thick reusable plastic sports bottles, or are there green options?

I like stainless steel, but is this practical for cycling? I don't yet have a water bottle cage attached to my bike's frame, although that's going to be in the near future, & I want to see if there're any enviro-friendly options out there for water bottles.

Any & all ideas are welcome. Thanks! :)

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