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8/11/09 9:50 P

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Chi- you meant Jim but now John wants one too Im hooked
I was saying in the LBS when I was buying lock said that summers almost over
but with this monster I can hop on bike indoors during the snow storms-= lol

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8/11/09 5:01 P

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Sorry to post and run, but I have a meeting to go to in 10 minutes... Who arranges 5pm meetings anyway?!

I can actually do hard TT-like intervals on rollers in my bigger gears but I prefer the trainer for those - getting cross-eyed on rollers generally spells disaster (i.e. riding off the side) for me. I'll do hard intervals on the trainer, and I'll do more tempo/endurance riding on rollers. I'll happily crank out a 1.5hr endurance ride on rollers no worries.

John:
Yep, I meant Jim but it was before my morning cup of coffee....

In terms of replacement rear tires, Continental makes a specific trainer tire which is orange, very hard wearing and a pain in the a$$ to put on. If you can install that tire you can install any other one. I switch my rear tire over at the first snowfall, that's when my roadbike takes up permanent residence on my trainer. During summertime I just slot the bike onto the trainer and go - once a week (on average) doesn't really wear out the rear significantly. I'll not change out the tires if I'm doing a roller session too.

Every winter I do a tire change on my roadbike. The rear is usually due for replacement anyway so I normally dump it. My front tire generally lasts 2 rear tires so I'll make a judgment call. I'd rather spend a bit more but have fresh rubber every outside season.

Bob:
The Fluid 2 rules - love mine. I got a CTS time trial DVD with it which is always good for some suffering. I like to plan my own pain, but the "go hard during commercials during a football game" is a (ahem) "great" way to spend a Sunday afternoon... And I've heard good things about the Spinervals too!

Edited by: WONGERCHI at: 8/11/2009 (17:02)
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FREEDOMSTAR's Photo FREEDOMSTAR Posts: 13,857
8/11/09 4:41 P

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Hi
I would have to get a new tire since my bike is new

I can use that in winter indoor

John

ps Im excited about this I can keep riding my bike in winter months

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8/11/09 4:26 P

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John,

You need to replace the skewer (which might have a plastic clamp) with an all metal one like this:

www.trisports.com/tatrsk.html

Some people also change out tires for the trainer. I don't bother. By the time winter rolls around, I just use up whatever is left of the road tire. I rode ~800 miles on the trainer last winter without a problem. Replaced both F/R tires sometime around mid April.

I don't know if people who use rollers do that.

Bob

Edited by: HEYPUTTHATDOWN at: 8/11/2009 (16:35)
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8/11/09 4:17 P

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bike_trainer

vs.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_roller
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FREEDOMSTAR's Photo FREEDOMSTAR Posts: 13,857
8/11/09 3:53 P

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OK I WANT ONE !!!!

Are they bad for your bike?

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8/11/09 3:51 P

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ok Rebecca thanks !

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FREEDOMSTAR check out the links WONGERCHI posted and you will see the discussion is about trainers (I think that is what they are called.)
Something that is of interest to me when Winter comes and the weather disagreeable for biking outdoors.

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FREEDOMSTAR's Photo FREEDOMSTAR Posts: 13,857
8/11/09 3:39 P

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what are we talking about here? emoticon im confused- lol

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Jim,

From the beginning let me say that as a relatively new cyclist (~3 yrs), I haven't gotten to rollers yet. I understand that they more closely emulate real riding and that they improve bike handling skills. However, from what Chi said (correct me if I'm wrong), I get the impression that the rollers don't put up as much of a fight in terms of giving you a hard workout as a trainer does.

That said, if it's a workout (with lots of huffin' and puffin' and sweatin') that you want, I say go for the Cycleops Fluid 2. Last winter, I used the Fluid 2 with the Spinervals DVDs and had some great (3 hr / 2500 cal) workouts. I occasionally combine the trainer and the treadmill to do indoor "bricks". If there's a football or basketball game on, I'll watch it while on the trainer.

A new Fluid 2 runs about $275 but I'm sure there are plenty of used ones on Craigslist/Ebay. Usually folks get them with the best of intentions and are dying to get rid of them. They have a lifetime warranty so it doesn't matter (I checked) if you buy them from the LBS.

Bob

Edited by: HEYPUTTHATDOWN at: 8/11/2009 (15:42)
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8/11/09 2:37 P

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I think you posted John in error

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8/11/09 12:23 P

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John:
What's your budget?

Unless they've changed the design from a couple of years ago, stay WELL CLEAR of the CycleOps mag trainers. Their resistance curve is messed up. Demo one and you'll see what I mean. If it's a trainer you want, save up and get the Fluid version, much nicer. It's the trainer I use, actually.

What rollers will give you is a very nice pedal stroke and hone your bike handling skills. The bike handling is essential if you're racing in a pack - you don't want to be known as Mr. Squirrely if you can help it! The only problem with rollers is the lack of resistance. I generally run 3 cogs smaller for the equivalent gear on the trainer when using my Krietler rollers (so 50x17 on trainer ~ 50x14 on rollers). As a result, I generally use mine for tempo or endurance efforts, but you can get resistance units for rollers which make hard efforts possible.

There's also a learning curve attached to rollers as opposed to a trainer which is "plug bike in and go." However, rollers match the riding motion much better than the trainer, so time goes by much faster.

If I were to get one? I'd get one of these:

www.kreitler.com/product.php?section
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roduct&item=rollers_3


Coupled to the Killer Kool Headwind fan:

www.kreitler.com/product.php?section
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roduct&item=accessories



I love my Kreitler rollers. Slightly more expensive than your basic rollers but absolutely bombproof. I have the foldable version (Kompact Alloy) and these guys are going to last me for years.

Edited by: WONGERCHI at: 8/11/2009 (12:24)
In God we trust, all others bring data.
- W. Edwards Demings

If God invented marathons to keep people from doing anything more stupid, the triathlon must have taken Him completely by surprise.
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Specificity, specificity, specificity.
-Andy Coggan

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
- Frank Kotsonis


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8/11/09 10:36 A

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Hi Gang

If you could only choose between one or the other which would it be and why?

I'm waffling between Rollers or a Magnetic cyclops trainer. I know I am not going to be able to swing both by the DW

Provide Pro's and Con's as well

Thanks

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