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The gloves helped as well as the changing position however, by the last 10 miles my wrists and hands were very uncomfortable. I did go to the bike shop today and got a more padded pair of gloves to see if that will help even more. I do still have numbness, tingling and weakness but it's not too bad.

Overall the ride was much, much better due to proper refuleing during the ride. So in addition to the fueling during the ride I am working on proper fueling during the week - eating enough, eating enough carbs, etc.

It's all coming together and my confidence in being able to do this is much higher than it was last week!

Kris

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Congratulations! So glad you had a successful ride.

What do you think helped the most with the tingling?

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Hi All - Update on my ride yesterday - I was able to do the 77 miles with no major issues! Oh, and that's 77 miles on a Mountain Bike :) My hands & wrists were getting very tired and uncomfortable toward the very end, the last 10 miles, but otherwise it wasn't bad at all!

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Why do those when you can just get aero bars for your road bike? Aeros have got to be more comfortable, not to mention safer...

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It's too bad that these Cinelli Spinaci extensions were outlawed by the UCI in 1997:

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While they were originally designed to put racers in a more aerodynamic position, I can imagine them rotated around the handlebar towards the rider to provide an alternate, more upright position and would certainly be safe at the relatively slow speed an upright position would produce.

Well ... guess what:

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For 20 bucks, this looks like something that is worth playin with ...

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Jim:
I'm with Bob on this - why would you ever want to put those on a roadbike??

Oh, and they won't fit.

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It looks like they might fit on the drop ends of a road bike (although the diameter of the handlebars is usually smaller than straight bars).

That said, I don't see why you would put these on a road bike.

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Thanks for setting up the link for me.
I am not positive about if they work on road bikes. I wouldn't be surprised to find that there are some out there designed for that.
I know they are using them on a cruiser and a mountain bike
Call a bike shop or google and hopefully you can find some.
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Will these grips work on road bike bars?

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Hi,
I finally found out the name of the item my sister uses to alleviate numbness in her hands and discomfort from carpel tunnel syndrom.
They are called Ergon GP1 SE Grips. Here is a link to see what they look like. http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Produ
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Most bike shops carry them.
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Yes, I am using clipless pedals - probably cages.

Unfortunately I cannot get the bike any sooner than the Monday before the event.

I've done other long rides of 50+ miles prior to the 62 miler I did.
I have 75 miles planned this weekend.
I have back-to-back rides of at least 75 miles planned the following weekend.
I pick up the bike on the Monday before the event and will take smaller (20-25 mile rides) Monday - Wednesday with Thursday & Friday as total rest.
Aside from cycling and sitting at a computer all day I am a Fitness Instructor and often teach classes ranging from Spinning to Step to Dance to Strength Training in the evenings and weekends which limits the time that I can spend on a bike. Most weekends I am teaching or taking cardio classes for 3 hours. This doesn't neccessarily mean I am ready to ride 180 miles just because of that, but I am simply pointing out that I am a very fit individual. I know that cycling is not the same thing as running or spinning or step aerobics, but I have pretty good cardiovascular endurance.

With that said - I also have the option to not complete the whole 180 miles. The most important part is that I am raising money for charity and while I've said that I'm going to do 180 I have outs at 25, 50, 80 & 100. I haven't been training very long because the opportunity to participate in this event didn't come to me until rather recently. I wish I had known several months ago that I would be doing this! I also know how to listen to my body and gauge how far I can push it. I'll stop if I know I can't do it before I injure myself.

And I appreciate your concern - I have concerns too in being able to complete such a distance which is why I have the outs I've mentioned in the event that I can't go that far. I want to gather as much information as possible to give myself the best possible chance of doing well, or as well as I can, in this event.

I also greatly appreciate all of your advice and when I go to pick up the bike I'll make sure that I have them do a proper fit and adjustment. I also know how to work a wrench and if needed can make additional adjustments along the way. :)

Kris

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KJNE80:
Are you using clipless pedals too? That will also require fitting, but if you're not then you'll be fine. If the fitters at your LBS are anywhere close to halfway decent, then it'll be saddle height, tilt and fore-aft first, followed by reach and handlebar height.

I would also see if I could get the bike as soon as possible - you only have 16 days to go. You need as much time in the saddle as possible to dial in the fit (I've been in my position for 2 years and I'm still refining it) and get used to brakes and shifting. And pedals, and how the bike handles. A roadbike is a totally different breed to a hybrid!

Also, and slightly off topic, I'm really concerned about your lack of significant mileage leading up to the Tour. 180 miles in 2 days is not trivial and in my opinion, a single long ride of 62 miles is most definitely not going to cut it. If you can, get the bike this week and on the weekend go out for back-to-back 70 milers and see how you cope. Do it again the following weekend (maybe back to back 50 milers). Have a midweek day to ride long as well.

You are desperately in need of some mileage - remember, even though the bike change will help, if you don't have enough miles on the engine it is going to be a world of pain.

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Hey! I'm pretty new to biking but I've already had problems with tingling. I agree with everyone else about getting a pair of gloves but I've found that I get numbness and tingling when I'm slouching. Now, I make sure to flex my abs and keep my back straight and my shoulders back. Doing a lot of core workouts has helped and the numbness hasn't come back yet. I'll notice my arms will start getting sore, and I just straighten up and make sure to stay that way! Good luck!
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Thanks for the fit tip... I am renting from the LBS and will have them fit the bike to me. Other than the seat height and handlebars what else should I be looking for?

Kris

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KJNE80:
All good advice here - but I would suggest getting a good bike FIT. Ask around at the LBS or somewhere else - there should be a physio or experienced bike fitter in your neck of the woods somewhere. I used to get numb hands on my longer rides but after a subtle position tweak it's all gone away now.

I personally would be very scared of renting a roadbike and then jumping on it for 100 miles without having a good position first. A century would take me ~5.5 hrs and you (I) would definitely need a comfortable position to be on the bike that long!

In my opinion, if your bike doesn't fit you then all the padded gloves in the world won't help.

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Find out what she has .... I think it would benefit all of us here.

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Hi all,
I have been riding for over 35 years from around the block (that is 4 miles in the country) to 125 in a day. I haven't escaped some numbness. My suggestions are much the same as others. Move your hand positions, don't put too much weight on your hands. With you bike I think that is one of the plus design items.
Okay, so I have a younger sister who is finally getting off the trainer and she has a bike that is most similar to yours. She also has carpel tunnel that (as a massage therapist) I think comes from her shoulder.
She has found an item that you add to your handle bar, no redoing the tape, that supports your hand/wrist in a more aligned position. She loves them.
You can check your LBS or I can ask her and let you know. Maybe there is someone out here that understands my feeble description and can help you out.

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Hi,
I'm Debbie, and I joined this group a couple days ago. I was having numbness and tingling in my whole hands when biking. It was actually coming from both my neck and too tight of a hand grip. I have to make sure that my shoulders are relaxed and that I don't hold on too tight. I had to lower the seat and raise the handlebars. Not exactly a racing position or one that is aerodynamic, but the more seated upright did help. I got a new bike and had the neck extended to raise the height. The new bike has a flat handle bar but it can adjust with an allen wrench from a flat 180 degrees to a fully upright position at 90 degrees. I have not been able to ride in a month due to the death of my dog and then due to asthma, but am hoping to start again soon. I hope this helps.

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Be careful on the diagnosis of ulnar nerve neuropathy. It may be something else masking as this. I had carpel Tunnel syndrome and had surgery which helped. But yea there always is a but!!! I actually had a bone spur in my neck that was irritating the nerve that would also be misdiagnosed as ulnar nerve neuropathy. I had to have a neck fusion. Come to find out I had to spurs but only fixed one. The Dr did not want to limit my neck mobility too much.

Just my 2 cents on this.

The other advice is very sound.

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Been there, done that. The gloves really help, but also move your hands around on the handlebars and change your position frequently.

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I hope to get in 3 short 20-25 mile rides on the road bike to get used to the gearing and positions before the big ride.

I cannot tell you how thankful I am for all of your help! Sometimes I think I know the answers but it just helps to hash it out with someone else and your tips have just been invaluable. Thank you!

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When you get the road bike, you have three basic positions: the top, the hoods and the drops. You will be able to flex and readjust your wrists in all three places. Stretching your fingers is a great idea too. Make sure you get used to the new handlebars before your big ride (especially the drops--I find handling most tricky there).

I forgot this bike wasn't a permanent bike for you--you might not want to invest in changing the tape. But if you get extensions, you can always take them off, or sell them to someone else.

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I'm definitely buying gloves - I'll look into the padded tape. Don't know about handlebars, but I can look into.

When I do my real ride of 100 miles (what I'm training for) in less than 3 weeks I'll have a road bike so the gloves will come in the most handy then.

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Can you get extensions for the ends of your handle bars? That will allow you to get your handles in a perpendicular position as well.

Also, can you consider getting padded gel handlebar tape?

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Good to know on the padded gloves!

I have a hybrid bike with the straight handlebars right now - my hand positions are straight on, wrists bent and not, and then I turn the wrists sideways so my fingers are pointing out. What other postions can I do?

Good tip as well on not changing too much too soon.

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Yes, I've had it, and yes, it passed.

The other thing to add is frequently change your hand positions. The idea behind that is to avoid the tingling sensations before they begin.

As for the other things...great ideas, but change things slowly. See what works for you. I raised my handlebars, and relaxed my grip. I haven't had to adjust my seat though.

BTW, I can't imagine riding without padded gloves...

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Yesterday on my excrutiatingly long bike ride of 62-63 miles I started to feel some tingling in my left ring & little fingers. I did some googling today - amazing what you can find out there - because I am still feeling some residual tingling & numbess. Well, it appears that I have Ulnar Nerve Neuropathy and that there are some things I am going to do to try to alleviate it including
padded gloves
raising my handlebars just a fraction more
keeping the elbows relaxed
not pressing so hard on the handlebars
tilting my seat back 1 tiny notch

Here's the article I read www.cptips.com/handsyn.htm

So, my question is, has anyone had this and even if you haven't had it yourself any other ideas suggestions?

Kris

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