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8/5/09 4:33 P

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Wow I'm truly sorry this went from a "be careful out there" on the road to a watch out for Lisa thread. I'm sorry If I gave the impression that I'm careless, dangerous or just plain lying.Or I think I own the trail,even though I did help pay for it with my taxes. I'm neither. I actually walked the trail at the same time this morning I would be cycling. I counted 8 people total. I'm sure that as someone who ride's in traffic you have to be aware of your sounderings, as I am. The only point I tried to make is where I live it's safer for me to use the bike trail. I have a good friend that is retired from pro cycling. He rode for the Discovery team, he and I had this discussion and he agree's with me. He doesn't use the roads much either. BTW I've yet to read in my newspaper or see on the local news where a cyclist has run over someone on a bike trail. But We did have a jogger murdered last year. Maybe you know of that happening. Anyway good luck to you all and best wishes. Keep safe.

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8/4/09 11:29 P

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I am saddened reading these two articles. I know of a couple of bad accidents in my area, recently a biker who taught bike safety was killed during a ride. I mostly stick to the Greenways but I'm only averaging 12-13 mph.

I am a member of a walking team here on SP. I hear complaints constantly about the speed of bikers on shared walking trails. I also walk/run the trails, Sorry but I wouldn't want to be on the one you're riding on, Lisa.

Recently while driving I almost hit a pair of walkers and a biker @ 8:55 pm on a busy two lane secondary road. It wasn't pitch dark but getting there. Neither of them had on reflective clothing or lights of any nature. I swerved to miss the walkers with two dogs, was just pulling back on my side of the road when I saw a reflection from the pedal of a bike in time to swerve again.

Do be careful out there! Remember safety first!

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8/4/09 5:53 P

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Thanks WONGERCHI I've been asked to join in one of the freewheelers club around. I'll check it out. I wish my town were more bike friendly. We have very few bike lanes and the traffic is horrible. The safest place, at least on my side of town are the trails. I have a friend that was a cyclist with the Discovery team professional group and he agrees with me. Thanks again for the info.

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8/4/09 4:20 P

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LISALALA:
Like DRC, I'm not offended, just surprised. EVERYONE I know (cyclists, triathletes, men, women) who is that strong rides on the road.

Have you considered joining a cycling club? If you're that fast you'd be plenty good enough to slot straight into the A or B groups (A groups in these parts) and you'll get much more experience riding on the road and riding with others. You may even take up racing. With your average, you'd have won the Women 40+ age group in the last race we had (pace in kph)!

www.sportstats.ca/display-results.ph
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8/4/09 3:36 P

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I'm not offended, just surprised.

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8/4/09 2:50 P

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I'm sorry it seems I've hit a nerve. Yes I seriously do. I live in Orlando FL it's not really a safe place to ride on the road. I see no reason to place myself in danger, nor do I put anyone else. As I said before we get out early and there are not too many others around. In the 3 years I've used this trail I've had no accidents, nor caused one for that matter. There area's to stop if needed, restrooms, misting sprays. The only time I've had a close call is when I did venture on the road. I guess every situation is different, I didn't mean to offend anyone. If you enjoy riding on the road and can be safe about it....more power to you. As for me I'll pass.

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8/4/09 2:29 P

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LISALALA:
Do you seriously average 20-25mph? On a MUT??

That's 32-40kph - for me that goes from fast riding to sprint pace. It would never cross my mind to do time-trial or sprint efforts on a MUT. Like DRC says, we have a speed limit on a MUT - 20kph (12.5mph). All the roadies and triathletes I ride with slow WAY down whenever we need to use a MUT. When we want to rip each others legs off, we use the roads.

If you really can go that fast, then you should be on the road. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason why you should be on a MUT. Why? Because of everything else that can happen - dogs coming out of bushes, children, novice cyclist, families out for a stroll?

What about runners? I'm a runner too and nothing bugs me more than cyclists who think that a MUT is their own private racetrack. You hit a runner going 20+ mph and it's going to be nasty.

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8/4/09 2:19 P

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No limit on my local trail. Just limits we set ourselves, in the morning there's not many user's. I know the park rangers pretty well, as I've used this trail for 3 years now, like I said I guess I'm just lucky. Because I really don't care for riding on the roads. I'm in FL which unfortunately is not very friendly for bikes nor walkers for that matter.

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Wow, the MUT's near me limit speed to 15 mph because of the walkers, runners, and occasional horses. Also, to keep people alert to road crossings.

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8/4/09 1:45 P

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I guess I'm just lucky. Almost everyone who uses the MUT near me knows the rules. I've never had a problem and I'm normally there 3 hours 5 morning a week. I have a small group I ride with. We average 20 to 25 mph and 45 to 50 miles a ride. If you enjoy riding on the streets, keep safe.

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8/4/09 12:00 P

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It is nerve racking but it will not prevent me from riding on the rode as well. I try to make myself as visible as I can.

Just last week I was on vacation riding in a new area and I was almost hit from a driver who was trying to pull into traffic. I know he saw me because I was wearing hi-vis green and I looked him in the eye and mouthed "Don't do it" I swerved out of the wat as much as I could. I had a big shoulder to ride on. The guy looked at me digustingly while eating his ice cream. Geeee I felt really bad inconveniencing him on eating his ice cream cone and driving at the same time.

I thinked I surprised him since I was doing 28-30 mph in a 25 mph zone. He no longer looked digusted when he realized I was traveling at the same rate of speed as the vehicles.

I thought I was going to have to dump the bike. I had my back up bike and i put the cages back on because the middle child was borrowing the bike for a Tri. I knew I would not be able to pull the feet out of the cages fast enough. I miss my clips on thet bike. it is surprising to see how fast you can unclip from a pedal!!!

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8/4/09 11:43 A

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It's scary out there, but I still don't think I could give it up. Just be safe, and don't be careless.

Thanks for the reminders.

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8/4/09 11:24 A

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That sucks. We're going through the same thing up here, 5 cyclists got involved in a hit-and-run incident a couple of weeks ago and it's really brought the "share the road" thing to the fore.

www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Cyclists+
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I train on that stretch of road pretty much every other weekend. There's a dedicated bike lane for part of the road and the rest of it has a pretty wide shoulder. By all accounts, the cyclists were doing the right thing too.

Will that stop me from riding on the road? Not at all. I don't think riding on the road is any more dangerous than riding on multi-user trails (MUTs). In fact, I'd rather ride on the road than use a MUT - on the road the dangers are more predictable than on a MUT, and for the sort of training I do, I have to use the road.

So stay visible, predictable, and if in doubt, GIVE WAY to cars even if you have the right of way. And obey the laws of the road, they apply to you too.

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8/4/09 8:50 A

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Traffic is still my biggest concern. DH does a great job on the tandem, but on the single it is all up to me. I am fine on trails, love the single, but traffic really makes me nervous. Where we ride at home, people are used to us. If we miss a day they even holler from the porch "where you been?", but unfamiliar places are nerve racking to me.

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8/4/09 8:32 A

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I don't think I could handle that...lol I'd be a nervous wreck. The few time's I have rode in traffic I'd also found the drivers to seem nervous or mad. A few tried to scare us by blowing their stupid horns.

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I have ridden in tris where the courses are open and closed to traffic. Obviously I prefer the closed courses. On the courses open to vehicle traffic I have seen drivers looking both confused and angry - both of which scares me.

I volunteered at a kids tri this past weekend. Although the bike course was in a quiet neighborhood, cars were still allowed on the road. There were a couple of guys on bike riding with the kids, but they couldn't be with everyone. Even though it was early in the morning, there were still a few cars coming through. I really felt bad for the couple of kids who had cars coming up behind them. The drivers were cautious, but between the orange cones on the left making for a narrower lane and the wobbly 9 year old on the right, it was really nerve wracking.

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8/4/09 8:13 A

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How horrible,I avoid riding on the road as much as I can. I'm lucky to have a bike trail close by.

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8/4/09 6:02 A

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yikes! That is a horrible reminder of the possible dangers. We can only do our best to remain safe, and then just hope everyone else does the same.

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8/3/09 11:24 P

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wow. I'm speechless.

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Of all the concerns I have while riding, I hate to think that getting killed by a drunk driver at, what, 9 AM is one of them! It sounds like that whole community is going to need a lot of healing.

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8/3/09 10:35 P

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Don't know if you all heard about this. It is one of the worst cases of carelessness I have heard of. Be very careful when riding, not that much else could have been done to help this poor man.

www.wlky.com/news/20248779/detail.ht
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