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JHOLLNAGEL Posts: 1,768
7/9/09 8:27 A

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DREMARGRL

Bravo!!! However, I would insist another test done but for free. I do not think I would put too much emphasis on the results until I get another test done by someone who knows what they are doing.

Also, I agree with your comments about the drug companies .... some day they too will be brought to their knees and perhaps it has already started with the popular use of the internet.

On a complimentary note .... at 47 if I looked and feel as strong as you do at 61 I will consider myself blessed as well. You have shown me that age is just a number but that should not stop us from doing what we have been doing earlier in our lives ..... so thank you.

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7/8/09 6:31 P

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Hi,
I'm afraid I didn't state myself well. Well, I just didn't go back and correct my original statement. I really don't know how much the test was, but when I checked on the Reclast, it was going to be over 2 grand. (The Reclast...not the bone test) The drug rep and my Dr. even called me and was so upset that the hospital gave me that quote. It took me almost a month for them to get back with me on the price. I was just angry on principle.....that they would not/could not give me a firm price. Anyway, I have been very fit all of my life....and have been married for 43 years to a coach and physical fitness trainer, so exercise has been a staple of our lives. We don't drink or smoke and have great eating habits, also....so I was shocked. I don't yo-yo and have never been over 150 (when I was 9 months pregnant). I am 61 and in better shape than most 30 yr. olds, so you can imagine my dismay at the reading of the bone scan. The two girls doing it that day told me it their first time. The regular person was sick and they asked them to do it. Had I not taken my clothes off already and begun the procedure, I would have insisted on waiting till the "regular" person was there. Anyway....I think I have decided against any of the drugs available at this time and have upped my dose of Calcium w/ D and am out in the sun more. The only thing I can admit to doing "wrong" is not drinking enough milk. I am lactose intolerant and ate cheese and milk products....but...yadayadaytada. I am sorry you have been diagnosed, also,Willow. At least you still have time to build your bones. I'm running out of that treasured commodity, but I feel and move great, so I'll just do what I can in the meantime. I am leaving my options open, but I am really getting upset about the drug companies using women as guinea pigs.

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7/8/09 6:11 P

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the average cost of a dexascan is around $300, so if someone was charge $2K for it they need to protest strongly at that cost. I have had serial dexascans due to my initial scan showing a borderline result. A repeat sooner than 2 years is not likely to yield any valuable info unless the initial test was badly botched. For me, each subsequent scan has shown diminished bone density. I took Actonyl for a year but had GI upset, and increased loss in bone mass, so I now take Reclast once a year IV. While it is expensive ($1000 a dose) the annual cost actually was very similar to the cost of the Actonyl ($90 a month X 12 months = $1080). No side effects as of yet.
the ortho I go to recommends a dexa every 2 years as improvement in bone mass is a slow process, and after 2 years my best hope for the best out come is to halt further loss. I was losing ~ 10% each 2 years after my initial baseline scan so I was very extremely concerned. and Being an RN I was also all too aware of the risks of osteoporosis, and though I do not nurse adults at this time, I have taken care of too many hip fracture patients in the past. for most of them the fracture is the beginning of the end of their lives. Many of them don't even know they have osterporosis until their hip fractures and they fall down. (it is the fracture that causes the fall , not the fall that causes the fracture for most of them) Osteoporosis is a silent killer and a crippling disease.

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7/8/09 4:26 P

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That's one reason I made sure to bump up the weight lifting while I was unable to run and was only biking and swimming.

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7/8/09 4:04 P

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biking, swimming and water aerobics are not considered weight bearing exercise. While they don't DETERIORATE bones, they do not increase bone density. We all, women especially, need our weight bearing exercise to build and maintain bone density so we do not get osteoporosis / osteopenia as we age. Men also can be at risk, but women are higher risk. Many of us have had poor diets in the past and as for myself, I am 48 and didn't really look at my nutrtion and exercise seriously until into my 40's and I missed out on the most important years of building bone mass. menopause affects out ability to store bone, and Also large weight losses will decrease bone mass as well. yo - yo dieting, poor nutrition, poor calcium intake, soda drinking, sedentary lifestyles, all contribute. So I am 48 with severe osteopenia and working to improve my bone mass. Biking is a passion for me, but the weight training is a necessity if I don't want crippling bone breaks in the future. I would recommnd all women to look at their calcium intake and if you can possibly arrange it have a dexa scan to test your bone density.
Cross training is, I feel the best way to be strong and healthy - train for cardiac health, strength, and flexibility. For me that is biking, walking, ellyptical, weight lifting and body weight exercises, and yoga.

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7/8/09 3:14 P

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One reason I divide my cardio between cycling and running. Sure I spent the morning on the road bike, but I'll also be running this evening.

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7/8/09 3:09 P

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My hubs and I love cycling and have done it for a few years. It does have it's benefits....helping our spirit and our heart. I do weight training for the bones and make sure I'm getting calcium. Always have....With that said, I am borderline osteopenia....-2.75 in my spine and -2.45 in my hips. I have done everything right....except....stay young! LOL. My son just called and told me his Dr. said not to do the yearly R because there are too many side effects as with the other osteoporosis meds out there. Also, he said biking wasn't doing my bones any good....to lift weights for that. He also said that the bone density tests mostly always read out "borderline". That info coupled with the fact that the two people who tested me had never done it before......well, let's just say I have many unanswered questions and I'm not convinced there is a problem. I'm not going to spend another 2 grand or whatever it was to get the test....to do it again. So.....at this point, I'm just taking care of my nutrition and getting out in the sun at least 10 min. a day, exercising on the elliptical, dancing three times a week, hang gliding, taking vitamins....and being the best I can be.....for my age!!!!! Se levive....

Edited by: DREMARGRL at: 7/8/2009 (15:11)
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7/8/09 2:36 P

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LOL, I agee--a benefit of the multisport arenas! Built in cross trining, even is some of it is low impact.

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7/8/09 2:04 P

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REBCCA:
Another reason to be a multisporter, methinks. Or a cyclocrosser!

I'm a firm believer in X-training in whatever sport you do and the interpretation that DRC has is the one I agree with. You don't get bone strengthening benefits from cycling simply because it's a low-impact activity. I've not seen a study but I'd bet it's true for swimmers as well.

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JHOLLNAGEL Posts: 1,768
7/8/09 1:31 P

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They do not mention weight lifting even though we are supposed to do that as well. As far as impact on the bones that is why I cycle. The Dr told me because of my leg alignment from being bow legged and having cripple hip joints that I needed to find a low impact sport. Wah la ..... cycling. In the off-season I will probably do swimming but I am not a good swimmer. I have a hard time doing the free style but I can do the breast stroke for a much longer period.

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7/8/09 1:28 P

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DRC2205, I like going with your interpretation, I work better with positive affirming thoughts. Even though the article does state

"Cycling might be one of the best ways of improving your cardiovascular health, but a recent study has confirmed that if the only exercise you do is road cycling, you might well be putting yourself at risk of osteoporosis.

Osteoporosis, or porous bone, is a disease characterised by low bone mass and structural deterioration of bone tissue over time, leading to fragility and an increased risk of fractures of the hip, spine and wrist."

Thanks!

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7/8/09 12:14 P

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I read that differently--Cycling doesn't deteriate bones, but doesn't provide the positive benefit to them either. But as you mentioned, cross training is key. You need some impact or weight bearing activities in addition to the smooth road. Or just add mountain biking to the repetoire...


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interesting, thanks for posting

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I was shocked when I heard the news last night that bicycling deteriorates bones, but with cross training cycling still has huge benefits. emoticon

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