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7/31/09 2:10 P

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Looks like Wiggins is contracted with Garmin-Slipstream through the 2010 season.

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And probably won't be a free agent after that even, by the sounds of it.

Oh well.

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7/30/09 3:42 P

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Thanks. Just added cyclingnews to my favorites!



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Last I heard Wiggo still had 2 years with Garmin and was being courted by the new British-based Sky Team after that. So to me Columbia's a long shot. In terms of GC guys, Tony Martin's a good one for the future, he's still young. Don't forget Kim Kirchen. Mick Rogers and potentially Maxime Monfort too...

I remember reading somewhere that Contador isn't going to the Vuelta, but Andy Schleck is, if only to prepare for Worlds.

DRC:
I'm sure you know this website - contains more news than you can shake a pointy stick at...
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The Vuelta's coming up end of August. It's not as "grand" as the Tour de France, but it's still one of the Grand Tours.

UniversalSports.com is going to be providing coverage. Not sure who's in the field yet. Probably not Armstrong but Contador might be.

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7/29/09 9:13 P

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I am just hoping the chatter keeps going through the year. I hate those months where I get no cycling news...

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7/29/09 5:04 P

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Interesting. Any chance, in your mind, that Wiggins could go back to Columbia? We need a GC contender. Tony Martin's the best shot right now, but while he might win a stage here and there, I'm not sure he's a franchise rider like a Wiggins or a Schleck. Bradley Wiggins would sure be a nice add to the stable and make Columbia-HTC more than just the Cavendish show.

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Yeah I'm not so bothered about the Vuelta - it's always been the least favourite of the Grand Tours for me - I much prefer the Giro.

Worlds though, now that's another thing entirely.

And I'm with you on the Schleck thing. Apparently one of the stumbling blocks was because Andy wanted Frank to join as well but LA doesn't rate Frank.

As a Brit though, I'm curious to see what happens with Wiggo. Lots of speculation there too, but the man himself tweeted that "all would be revealed in a few weeks."

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Contador to Columbia was just my musing...something I'd like to see since I'm a bit of a Columbia fan.

Heard the speculation of Andy Schleck as a possible recruit to Radio Shack. I don't understand that either, unless maybe the idea is that Lance will only be a short-timer and Andy could then be poised to lead. Andy's good enough to lead now for Saxo Bank, so I don't think that's it. I don't know what the pitch would be.

Vuelta's up next. Not as glitzy as the Tour de France, but it's on the Grand Tour...and Universal Sports is carrying it.

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Contador's never going to Columbia. There's rumours that he may go to Garmin but my bet's Caisse d'Epargne or another team based in, or containing Spaniards. But not Euskatel, they're Basque.

There's also a rumour going around that LA wants to prise Andy Schlek away from Saxo Bank. Again, I can't see it - another potential Astana in the works if it ever happens...

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Cavendish didn't have to do anything...but boy did he do something. You're right about Hincapie and Renshaw setting the Missile up flawlessly, and they've been doing that all Tour. Even so, that sprint to the line was unbelievable. I can't believe how fast that guy can move. (Good camera work too to really capture the sense of speed.)

I agree AC is just articulating what we all pretty much knew. Still, it would have been better for him (I think) had he not given voice, so to speak. It brings him down to the gutter and paints him as much the diva as Lance is. I do think he has a complaint, but that doesn't mean it should be aired out.

Contador's going to be on another team next year. Maybe Columbia? Or a Spanish team. Lance knows his 38 year old legs and lungs won't beat Contador, but I think he truly believes that Contador doesn't have the head for the game and that he can beat him with team tactics. So if Radio Shack assembles a strong team that is built entirely around getting Lance to the finish line, it'll be an interesting competition. I think Lance is wrong about Contador and Alberto won't require as stacked a team.

It'll be high drama, that's for sure.

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Boy that was an epic sprint. I really thought Garmin had cracked it but that was an AMAZING pull by Hincapie (broken collarbone and all) and then Renshaw did the rest around that last corner. Cav really didn't have to do anything!

YIBYAB:
I think Contador only gave voice to what everyone suspected was going on behind the scenes at Astana. He probably felt a bit disrespected too given that LA went to have dinner with the RadioShack boys rather than celebrate with Contador - sorry Lance, but that doesn't say "team player" to me.

That said, I'm impressed by the way Lance rode this Tour. He was never going to win, but 3rd is a damn fine achievement. Assuming all the Lance boys from Astana go to RadioShack, then it's going to be a pretty decent outfit next year...

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7/28/09 1:51 A

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Ooh. Alberto's tongue is loosed. And so is Lance's Tweet.

This is going to be an interesting year until the 2010 Tour.

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7/27/09 10:20 P

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I watched the sprint in Paris again today.

But I am missing it too!

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7/27/09 9:17 A

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I miss having the next stage of the Tour de France to wake up to.

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7/26/09 2:37 A

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Armstrong had some pretty high praise for Contador today. You know there's still some intense rivalry fire smoldering between the two, but Lance is right. Contador's the best.

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What really turned me off to Contador's attitude was when he attacked and dropped Kloeden. It didn't have much to do with Lance. Lance has tried to help his teammates win stages when he was firmly in the lead. Alberto attacks and drops Kloeden. Finishing between the Schleck brothers wasn't as good for Team Astana as having Kloenden sprint to the finsh against the Schlecks would have been better, and not
"cost" him anything.

But I can see why he's the TT specialist of Spain.

If all the shakeups among the teams happen, I wonder what that means for Astana next year. You know they are going to lose Bruneel next year, in addition to whatever cyclists Lance can get.

I've got stage 20 on the TV, and I am off... I like the idea that maybe Lance and Astana are saving themselves for today. *fingers crossed*

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7/24/09 4:37 P

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Wongerchi

You may have a point here. They could be saving themselves for tomorrow when it really counts.

oo bad we do not live closer so that we could have this discussion live over a few malted beverages;-)

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Jim:
Remember Lance's comments in the early part of the Tour? Things like "Alberto's the leader....for now..." Lance's personality means that he won't step aside for anyone. And with his mate Bruyneel as DS, I think those rumours of a split within Astana were perfectly justified!

I think Astana's going to take the day off today. Let a break go, ride tempo on the front if necessary and leave the chasing to others. Rabobank (if Friere wants to win) is due to do something apart from Menchov crashing all over the place....

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I do not think Lance was expecting Contador to bow down to him but that they may be wishful thinking on my part? I think lance was trying to bring in his experience and establish a strategy of attack on how Team Astana could place 1, 2 and 3 at the end. Again, this could be wishful or stupidity thinking on my part.

I also see today's stage as a sprinters chance of gaining time and possibly winning one more stage. It will be interesting to see how Team Astana will react to try to position themselves time wise on this stage for a set up on tomorrow's final stage?

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TO me there's something not quite right about Contador's win yesterday. I think it's a bit of sour grapes on my part though, although when Cancellara crossed the line 1st I thought his time would hold up for sure. I guess that's why Contador is TT champion of Spain.

YIBYAB:
I have to say that I'm ambivalent about Lance, yeah him coming back is good for the sport but to come back into a team where there is already an established leader (Contador) and then assume that he's going to bow down to Lance is the height of arrogance. Yeah Lance won 7 Tours, but hey, I bet he couldn't get off the beach with 2 weeks notice and win the Giro? Don't get me wrong, 7 TdFs is impressive but so is Tour 2007, Giro and Vuelta 2008 and Tour 2009?

I think Contador was out to make a statement, much like he did on the stage to Arcalis (St. 8, I believe?) He needed to say to the Astana boys "hey, I'm in charge here, all you guys work for me". Whether he needs to be a team player at this stage in the race is questionable - I think he's strong enough to stay on anyone's wheel up Ventoux.

Jim:
I think Team Radio Shack is going to be the same setup as Disco/US Postal. What will be interesting is whether Astana will let the riders under contract go? There are rumours too that Contador is being courted by a new Spanish team and intriguingly, Jonathan Vaughters (the head honcho of Garmin) declined to comment as to whether his team is after Contador too It's on the Velonews website, but I'd stay clear if you don't want to know the result of the race - which is why I don't dare link to it...

Anyway, to me, today has breakaway written all over it. If not, then I'm looking towards those sprinters who can climb, Friere, Thor etc. Not liking Cav for this one, although remember Milan-San Remo this year? But I think he's waiting for Paris, besides, the Green jersey competition is all but done.

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Last night's TTs showed what everyone was made of character wise. Today's stage will prove interesting and especilly tomorrow's final stage with the climb.

I'm wondering if ole Lance saving himself for Sat. and see if Contador wore himself out. I have to think that Contador will be the man to beat and I do not think any one is going to close. I think the real race will be in the remaining podium spots. Although team Astana still has an outside chance of getting all 3 positions?

As far as next year for Team Armstrong Radio shack it will probably look a lot like Team Astana now with the exception of Contador and 1 or 2 other riders from Astana. What will truly be interesting is where Team Contador will end up at and who will make his team????

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I agree with you both. I just don't think Contador realizes that the team helped put him where he is--you can't ride this race alone, and he is not being a team player. I don't think he stopped when he realized he lost Kloeden. I think he had someone yelling in his ear, "What the he!! do you think you are doing?!?" And then he stopped setting pace. Lance has been the consummate teammate, sitting back with the competition a few stages until it was "safe" to catch up, without compromising Contador's advantage.

But Contador is an amazing rider, as proven in that time trial. Lance might not ever be back in the yellow jersey (it is, after all, a young man's game), but I'll bet that someone on his team will be again. And it will be interesting to see who ends up on Team Armstrong/Radio Shack...

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YibYab:

I have to agree with your assessment and sentiment on this issue.

Even on the ride last night this discussion came up and with the same sense of sentiment. What was Contador thinking?

It just seems that Contador is not a team player or he has an axe to grind with Lance. I'm wondering if Contador thinks Lance is too old for a young mans race? Hence, the reason of not being a team player and perhaps trying to embarrass Lance?

Next year will truly prove to be interesting. If VS network's rating are high this year can you imagine what it will be next year when it is Contador vs Armstrong? I can hardly wait.

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7/23/09 12:58 P

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A lot of opinions and theories on Contador's attack that wound up dropping Kloden yesterday. Many depend on whether or not the opinion holder loves or hates Armstrong.

I'm neither a defender nor a hater...of either Armstrong or Contador. I think they just both embody the competitive arrogance common amongst champions. Armstrong joining Astana put Contador in a position of not being the team diva, and I think that piqued the brash young rider. Remember back in Stage 7, Contador rode to his own plan and not Astana's. I think he was making a statement then. Could be he was doing the same now, competing not just against the Schlecks and Wiggins, but also his "teammates" Kloden and Armstrong.

On the other hand, it could have just been an inexperienced tactical blunder that he recognized quickly. He spent quite some time checking on Kloden after dropping him, and he said in post-race interview that he didn't mean to drop him. I think, in his mind and at the time, he thought he had Bruyneel clearance and Kloden's too, and figured that rather than ride the Schleck brothers' wheels he'd apply pressure of his own to try to drop them and add distance from Wiggins. Unfortunately, it was Kloden who couldn't take the acceleration and as soon as Contador saw what happened, he pulled back.

Of course, the Schlecks were only too happy to leave Kloden behind so they kept the pace up and Contador was stuck.

That is, if "stuck" is the right word. For Contador, personally, it probably didn't matter. He didn't need Kloden and you could see he was not going to contest for the stage win, practically buddying up with the Schlecks during that final run.

I just don't think Contador has much sense of "team" with Astana. I'm not sure I blame him, since Bruyneel and Armstrong are tight, along with Leipheimer. Contador probably felt like he was being relegated to 2nd fiddle and was going to feel pressure to reign himself in for Lance's sake. In-race decisions like yesterday were probably a reflection of that beef.

It will be an interesting Tour next year. Contador is clearly the best rider and I'll wager Lance will be improved next year, leading his own team and with a year of dedicated training to prepare. Armstrong's going to be fired up to go after Contador and settle the score. As dramatic as that might be, I just don't think he'll overtake Contador. I may not like his attitude (and pistolero salute), but there's no denying Contador is a machine.

Enjoy today's time trials.

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7/23/09 12:37 P

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Epic stage yesterday. Fantastic ride by Hushovd, that'll shut Cav up once and for all. Nice to see one of the bigger boys go across a mountain stage all alone in the lead!

But for the life of me I can't understand Contador's attack. Just doesn't make sense - he'd only gone and won the Tour anyway so why drop your own team-mate? I have to say that Lance has looked pretty good this tour though - he's going to be back next year so it'll be a cracker. Not to mention that Contador and Lance will be on different teams next year and Astana will likely be nowhere.

40k TT today, the one I like riding the most. My tip? Can't go wrong with one of the top 3 from the Prologue.

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I should have known better. I participate in another cycling forum and the convention there is to make sure folks know a topic about the day's stage will contain spoilers, allowing those who don't want to know the chance to avoid them.

Dummy me not thinking that that might be the case in another forum like this one. It just occurred to me to search the boards here for a TdF topic, and when I found one, I just jumped in and blurted. Doh!

The last several stages have been so good, they're fun to "talk" about. I just joined the group for this topic. I'll be a good little noob and be careful from now on.

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LOL, I am one of the "recorders" and like WONGERCHI, prefer to watch with Phil and Paul.

I have my evening scheduled around viewing today's stage, so at least now I know it's worth it! Let me tell you, yesterday I was wondering as I watched 5 (yes, 5) hours of coverage. And then on that last climb, it was worth every mintue!

I plan to take tomorrow morning off to watch the TT. I love the individual TT...

And I still haven't forgiven Floyd Landis for being that stupid, either.

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LOL, you weren't to know but there are several of us who record the days stage and then watch it at home. I much prefer watching it with Phil and Paul rather than the "enhanced" coverage with Craig and Bobke...

I know the results like you so to everyone who hasn't watched today's stage.... WATCH IT! Especially the second half.



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AAARRRRGGGGHH! emoticon

DON'T TELL ME!

Off to check the cycling websites now I guess...

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Oops. Better edit and learn the forum protocol first.

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On the Di Luca incident it goes to show you that the ole saying is true .... cheaters never win and winners never cheat!!!

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HUGE HUGE stage today in the Alps. Seriously, if the Schleks want to attack, it's today. They're going to give up time to Contador in the TT tomorrow and well, Ventoux is Ventoux.

And seriously, after yesterdays stage you have to attack more than once on this one today. Thankfully it's good news for Jens Voigt, that crash was nasty - landing on your face travelling at 70+kph?

And in other news, the Danilo Di Luca, the runner-up in this year's Giro has been done for CERA. Dumb. And it takes the gloss off what I thought was the best Giro in years, sigh.

www.cyclingnews.com/news/di-luca-pos
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So someone asked me today that if Cav has won so many stages, how come he isn't in yellow? You can imagine me explaining the difference bewteen flat stages and mountain stages, and that yellow isn't the only prize... Especially to someone who really doesn't get it at all! It was...interesting.

But today has been pretty good. I am watching the morning broadcast, and still have 23 mi (37 km) to go. And I am very interested in seeing how everything plays out. Don't want to say anything else yet--don't know who's reading that doesn't want a spoiler!

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Well, Le Tour is back after a rest day. How's everyone liking it so far? I was totally disappointed by the Pyrenees, what were they thinking putting the Tourmalet 70k from the finish? Totally predictable that, I even fell asleep during the Cadillac commercial free half hour!

I'm not planning on anything exciting happening on the GC for the next couple of days, probably until Friday/Saturday.

Flat stage today, can anyone say.... Cav?

Look out for a ton of French guys in the break today, what with it being Bastille Day and all.

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If God invented marathons to keep people from doing anything more stupid, the triathlon must have taken Him completely by surprise.
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I always root for the breakaway as well.

Everyone who goes off the front knows it is a gamble but I still hate to see all that work be for naught.

Contador sure took off at the end. Very impressive!

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Just getting this thread back on track!

Guys it may be better off having the racing conversation on a separate thread as then more people will see it...

Jim:
With the rift between Columbia and others I can see both sides. Columbia has the best sprinter out there so it's only fair that they should do the work. But on the other hand, there are other teams out there who also have good sprinters, so they should work to get their sprinters in a position to beat Cav! Tyler Farrar (Garmin) has beaten Cav straight up in a sprint finish this year, so Cav isn't totally unbeatable.

Especially on a stage like yesterday's. Uphill finish, he went backwards. I was desperate for Millar to win, I remember him winning his Tour stages back in the early 2000s. I reckon today could go one of two ways:

1) Break stays clear and everyone rolls in 10 minutes behind, or

2) Alberto Contador spreads his wings and flies.

I'm going for option #2 myself. Having a look at the other two stages in the Pyrenees, the climbing is done pretty early on and then it's a long drag to the finish, ideal for breaks. So my guess is that today is Contador's day, especially given that it's also in Spain.

Looking forward to today, no doubt.

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I have the Griffin Race the Lake on August 16th and I will probably do the Coor County Century in September. My summer is pretty booked up now but the club has time trials through sept. of which I'll do but if I can squeeze competitive time trial I will.

Sounds like I better serf the net for local races for next season and see if I can get 1 Crit, 1 Time Trial and 2 races and see which ones I like the best.

So if I do more then 9 races in a year I should buy the annual membership.

Thanks for the good info. and insights.

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According to the USCF web site an annual adult license is $90. A one day license is $10. The USCF has eliminated the unlicensed citizen's category and added Cat V. Of course there are also "this is not a race" races. At the front of a lot of bike rallies you will find cyclists riding it like a race. I rode a century that Scott Dickson showed up for. My entire team was there as were others since it was late in the season and there were no nearby races that weekend. I crashed several times that season and my race wheels were pretty beat up but I figured I'd rebuild them in the Winter when it was too dreary to ride. I was riding with the front group when I heard a ping; I broke a spoke on my rear wheel. I opened up my brake but it went far enough out to rub on my frame. I got off and managed to reposition the wheel so it wouldn't rub on my chainstays but when I got back on it started rubbing again. One of my teammates girlfriends was doing support and saw me at the side of the road and stopped so I got a wheel from her. She asked me if I wanted her to motorpace me back up to the group and I said yes but she sped off, it turns out she was joking and assumed I was as well. A sag wagon driver who knew me drove up and asked me what was wrong since he didn't expect to see me dropped. I told him about my broken spoke and having to get a wheel and he asked me if he wanted him to motorpace him back to the front group. I said "Hell yeah!" and we were off. He signaled that we were going 45 and I was spinning for all I was worth but luckily it didn't take us long to catch up at that speed. I rode with them until the 80 mile mark where Dickson put the hammer down. He ended up dropping everyone except one guy and strung us out across the countryside. I rode with a strong Cat II for a while but on one of the hills I just couldn't keep up and he kept going. I knew that he should have waited for me because I could have still taken a few pulls and made up for the time he would have lost if he slowed down on the hill a tad. The last stretch of the century was a road I used to ride to work on so I knew the timing of the lights. As he got caught at red lights I caught up and passed him. Ah yes, revenge is sweet. Dickson finished the century in 4:20 and I rolled in at 4:35 which was my fastest century ever. I would add that Dickson could have rode much faster; he was just crusing until the last 20 miles.

My advice is to hook up with a local racing team. Do some of their training rides to learn how to ride a paceline, eschelon, and what to do and not do in a pack. This way you will have a better idea if you are ready. Don't expect to be competitive your first race. No mater how hard they ride a team training ride isn't a race. Before I started racing I was bumping elbows with the Cat IIs on my team but I still got blown away in my first couple of races.

If you are only going to do one race this year your best bet is a time trial. This way you can compare your fitness with racers without having to deal with tactics and the anarchy of a mass start.

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It sounds like if the race is USCF sanctioned than I would have to have a license to race in that event? I have heard that they do allow one day license but how many 1 day license will equal an annual license? I do not foresee myself doing 10 races in a summer .... if the races don't kill me I think my DW would. LOL

It sounds like I should wait until after next summer and do more racing events before I decide to get a license?

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All sanctioned US racing is governed by the USCF. To race in USCF races you need a racing license. If you plan on racing this year you should send off to the USCF for a license though I understand that it is possible to buy a 1 day license at events now.

When I raced Cat IV was the bottom category. Now there is a Cat V for men (women and juniors still start with Cat IV).

You start out as Cat V. After you get 10 races under your belt you can upgrade to Cat IV. You can also request an upgrade from a USA Cycling offical and if they think you are ready they may upgrade you before 10 races. The successive categories require experience and results though officials can upgrade you when they think you are ready. In general Cat IV are local hotshot racers; usually competitive in their town. Cat III racers are competitive in a multi-town area. Cat II racers are competitive at the state level. Cat I racers are competitive at the national level.

I do remember seeing a racer easily win his first Cat IV race and the official at the race was so impressed that he upgraded him immediately to Cat II.

I upgraded to Cat III and technically had enough placings to upgrade to cat II (at the time 6 top 6 placings in Cat III races was sufficient) but all the Cat III races I placed in were combined Cat IV-III fields rather than Cat III-II (they always combined III's with one group or the other). I realized that if I upgraded to Cat II I would go from being competitive to being over my head.

Of course racing masters category they combine all the numeric categories so it doesn't really mater what category you are unless you still want to mix it up with seniors from time to time.

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So do I need to register some place? How does a person get ranked as Cat 1, 2, 3, or 4 in each level of category then? Is it automatically calculated by the races and finishes you enter in then?

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Someone ask me today if I liked racing even though with what happened and how I placed. I said yes even though it is only one race. I enjoyed the adrenaline that was going on when we were all bunched together and having to take the turns. I thought I would panic but did not. I held my line and pedaled through the turn. I think because of my club group rides experience this had help me.

I also enjoyed knowing that i was able to bridge and pass some others that were dropped in front of me. I considered that a success in a weird sort of way.

I also liked the fact that the last guy I passed only passed me on our last climb and he was ahead of me probably between 15-30 secs? After the turn to break away from the loop and head for the finish line, I had him closed to within 15 secs. We had about 2 miles to go then I put whatever hammer I had left down and i passed him. I knew we were coming up to a very sharp (almost hairpin) left turn so I ducked inside to force him to try and overtake from the outside. Once out of the turn I knew we had a 90 degree right so angled off to my right out of the left. Once I made the right I put my head down never looked back or up shifted to a higher geared and i pedaled like there was no tomorrow. I later saw that I finished 6 secs in front of him. I do not know if it looked as exciting as I told it but at least I kept him behind me.

I took my results from this 35.5 mile race and extropolated it to the 93 mile race in August 16 off of last year's results. I'm curious as to where I will be at. I wrote down the predictions. I only know of one major climb. I think the rest of the course is relatively flat? I will be asking my neighbor for sure about the flatness when he comes back from camping next week. I liked to know if I should do hill work outs or just concentrate on sprints, wind, and endurance spped workouts instead.

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Jim, if your race age (age as of Dec 31 of that year) is over 30 you are categorized as a Master according to the USCF though race promoters are free to define them as they wish. When I raced often the promoter combined the Master's (then called Veterans) and women's fields and made Masters 35+ to even things out a bit. Racers 30-35 at these events had to race with the seniors even though they were technically vets.

Since your race age is 48 you should qualify as a master anywhere you race though.

Masters can still ride in your category of senior (23-29) races as well. Some fast masters racers ride in senior events all season and only compete as masters in championships.

If I ever get back into racing I'll stick with Masters. Older racers remember that they have to go to work Monday morning and realize they don't heal as quickly as they used to so races are saner with fewer crashes. Masters events combine all categories in the age group so there is a much wider range of speed and ability; some masters could be competitive as senior Cat IIs while others couldn't last a lap in a senior Cat IV race).

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Hey Jim, my first race was a disaster; it was a criterium in San Antonio. I ended up delaying the start of the race because I put my number on upside down and not because I had the number 13 (in the TdF a rider assigned the supposedly unlucky number is allowed to wear his number upside down). I stayed at a hotel and the only thing they had out for breakfast was donuts and coffee; I ate a few donuts so I wouldn't be running on empty. The course was a round course with only one gentle corner and the rest of the course a curve. When the race started I missed my jab to get my foot into my toeclips (pre-clipless pedals) and the group was gone while I was wobbling off the line. By the time I settled into a rhythm most of the other riders were were half a lap ahead of me. I tried to bridge but I could make no progress. After a few laps I was pulled from the race even though I wasn't lapped yet and some racers who I passed after they got dropped were not pulled so I don't know what was up with my being pulled so early. As soon as I got off the course I threw up my donut breakfast. My teammate placed well in the Cat IV race and got a pair of Miche hubs and Super Champion Arc en Ceil rims. Marianne Martin who won the first Tour de France Feminin (now Grand Boucle) was there for the women's race and watched the rest of the races. She was wearing a loose sleveless T shirt and from the side I could see her breast. At the time I thought being able to say I saw the breast of the winner of the 1st women's Tour de France was a big deal. The women's national criterium champion (can't remember who it was now) was there and got into an argument with officials and didn't race. Rumor was that she didn't bring her license and they wouldn't let her race even though she was national champion but I have no idea if that is what the fuss was about.

I would have quit bike racing right then. Thing is that there was another criterium the next day in San Antonio and I felt obliged to race it after traveling all the way there. The previous race was easy and non technical with only one corner. Today's race was the opposite. It was a course around a mall with 11 corners in 1.1 miles and a climb then a steep descent. The previous night I was able to stay with a friend and eat a decent breakfast (no more pre-race meals of donuts for me!). I got dropped but I loved the challenge of navigating the technical course (I was pretty fearless then because I hadn't crashed much yet). Spectators started to scream at me to go because they said I was catching back up to the peloton. I redoubled my effort and started to brake less and later going down the hill into the corner. I finally exceeded what my tires could do one lap because the undulations in the road made my tires loose contact and I drifted across the road. When I ran out of road and was heading for the curb I realized that I was going to crash. I let go of the bars and went over the curb into the grass. I wasn't hurt so I dusted myself off, gave my bike a quick once over to make sure my wheels were ok and nothing was bent or broken then rejoined race. By this time I lost enough time that the officials pulled me but after this I was hooked on racing. In the women's race I was excited to see Olympic silver medalist Rebecca Twig race but was disappointed when she quit after a few laps.

It was several more races until I wasn't dropped and a few more after that before I managed to place for a prize.

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I agree .... they commentated on that issue last night that today's race will still be had by a sprinter but that Friday's stage is where you will see the climbers shine.

I thought it interesting about the complaints as well of the other sprinters not coming forward to work. But I'm wondering if that might be some racing strategies by the other teams? Or the other teams did not realize how far the break away was and just how strong the rider really was? I'm also wondering since this is the year with no radio communication that we might see more of this occurring and more finger pointing by the teams stating that other teams are not coming to the plate?

Any thoughts on this one?

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I think you and I are cut from the same cloth. Able to roll a decent gear in the flats, some sprint ability and a distinct lack of climbing nous - sounds exactly like me! My problem is with the 25 mile TTs. I'm terrible at pacing those when I don't have to run off the bike. I generally go off too hard and die.


Savvy riding from Voekler yesterday to split the break and win, but only just! It was interesting to hear the complaints from Columbia about the other sprinters teams not doing any work - if this keeps up then more breakaways may be able to stay away! Today's stage introduces those lumps that I don't like. Maybe a shakeup on GC? I think that'll happen tomorrow, it's not lumpy enough today for the main men to shine. It's a shame there's no Valverde - he'd be my no-brainer tip on an uphill finish into Barca today. As it is, my pick today is somewhat random - Pozzato, from Team Katusha.

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Thanks for sharing the story. As I reflect from the first race, I think I gave up on myself because of what you described. How you were able to describe the starts is exactly what happened. I thought there is no way I'm going to be able to do this for 2 laps so i backed off and decided to get into my groove. I think I did this too soon. I think I should have gritted it out and see if there was a peloton I could hang with comfortably.

As i said before, I really learned a lot in this first race. In fact so much information that it is hard too keep track and figure out what to work on next. I think I can work on my starts by staying with the pack longer.

Like you have described yourself, I'm 6 foot, 217 lbs with this frame I'm not going to be a premier climber, I do not think I have the explosiveness to be a sprinter (if I do it would be very short-lived); however, I can maintain a speed for a long time. I'm really comfortable in my aero position with my bars.

My big question and I may be getting a little ahead of myself because I may want another year of racing in before I attempt this .... but how to get ranked as a racer? Since my age is 47, I will be 48 in October, I'm sure I fall into the Masters Class? What is the process to start getting ranked?

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When I raced I was what they called a rolleur or a diesel. I could ride fast for a long period of time but I lacked the explosive power needed to win sprints and sometimes floundered on hills because I was a big guy. Most of the races I placed in I was in a break away though I wasn't a terrible sprinter and got a few placings in pack sprints.

I did ok in time trials but I disliked the pain. Time trials are largely a test of how deep you can dig and how much you can suffer. I hated short time trials. 10 mile time trials were brutal because they were almost all out and never seemed to end. At least when you suffer in a group you are inflicting pain on others as well instead of suffering alone.

I only won one race while racing. I had plenty of top 10 finishes but only one win. Back then Cat IV packs used to just explode off the line then everyone would blow up and it would slow down to a reasonable pace. I got dropped in my first few races because I thought they were going to hammer like that all race when in fact they were all blowing up just like I was; all I had to do was stay on a little longer and things would settle down. One criterium was different though. As soon as the starter's pistol fired I took off used to Cat IV antics. This time everyone just rolled off the line instead of sprinting away in a frenzy. By the end of the first lap I was well ahead of the pack so I decided to see how long I could stay away. I ended up lapping the field before the end of the race and winning the darned thing. After I was away and continued to lap faster than the peloton a sponsor offered a special prime if I could lap the main group by a specific lap. Unfortunately the PA was lousy and I couldn't understand the announcer so I had no idea what was going else I would have made more of an effort to catch them earlier.

I first saw A Sunday in Hell at a theater. It was so dark and gritty it actually had a cult following in the arthouse scene. Back then there were no million dollar contracts and bike racing was not glamorous. Bikes were made of steel as were the men who raced them. When I played the tape for my wife she said, "Gee, all their bikes look like yours!"

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LOL, Jim, the only place I can do that is downhill!

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If my calculation is correct because i had to convert from metric to english LOL I had the course at 24.2 miles in legth with a time of 46:29 this equated to 31.24 miles per hour for an average speed through the whole course. I could never do that for 46+ minutes. I might be able to it for a few minutes tops.

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WONGERCHI--I agree with you. I prefer race coverage over the "enhanced" broadcast. I record the morning and usualy the 2:30 showing (2 hours, abbreviated race coverage). I watch the morning coverage, but if the race goes longer than expected and the DVR cuts out before the end (like it did on Monday), I can watch the end on the consolidated coverage--they always include that!

Cancellara was awesome last night. He deserved to stay in yellow after that. I was also impressed by Garmin Slipstream. I was hoping for an Astana win, but I never expected them to post that kind of time!

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I watched the TTT while doing my own TT intervals last night, it was a great way to share the pain! It may be just me but I couldn't stand the "enhanced" coverage - too much chat and not enough bike racing for me. I had to switch over to the live feed that I recorded earlier in the day.

I was slightly disappointed by Saxo and Columbia last night, I thought they'd have a better showing. Great job by Cancellara last night though, towing the Saxo train through the last 1k and everyone else struggling to stay on his wheel...

Good ride by Astana - predictable win but I think Garmin did the best job. Risky strategy to go out hard and shell the non-TTers and then do a TTT with only 5 guys and come second.

Flat stage today, but it looks windy as all hell. Can someone say bunch sprint?

Jim:
Astana average speed = 50kph. There were time splits at the checks but I went to the Tour website and did a rough calculation. I don't know how those guys do it, that's mind-bogglingly fast.

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That 1989 Tour was my first. I think that final TT was what made me want to be a TT rider - that and the fact I can't climb for toffee... Totally agree with you about Lance - he focused on the Tour to the exclusion of everything else, unlike Merckx and Hinault - I rewatched a Sunday in Hell recently, I'd like to see Lance win Paris-Roubaix on the way to the Tour.

I think Big Mig nailed the "how to win the Tour" formula. Lance added his ability to win in the mountains to the mix and became unbeatable. My unforgettable tour moment was when Indurain cracked in 1996 - one of the best cracks of all time.

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I have to share the household conversation last night:

I got home from my youth committee meeting at church and I asked my middle son to change the channel to VS so I can see if the TTT was being replayed. (I purposely turned off all reports of the TTT until I could watch this)

It was and I proceeded to watch. I was asked all kinds of questions, why does the front guy drop off way to the side and then go to the back; why do they wear those funny helmets and would it protect them in a crash; how come the back wheel is solid; why are they single file and then at an angle; how can you tell who is winning; why don't they just do it individually .... I think you get the tone of the household.

I shared all of my knowledge nicely .... my wife asked how do you find this exciting ..... I said since I do group rides and we do pace lines and echelons I know the dynamics of what is occurring. I have also done the club's TTs so I know what is going on there as well. Now that I have completed my first RR race on Sunday I have that experience as well.

I found it amazing with the number crashes yesterday and the number of riders having to drop off. Boy do I know the feeling of being dropped. But it is not at their level but then again being dropped is still being dropped .... what a lonely feeling.

I was pulling for Astana would have liked to see the Yellow be given to someone else ... so close yet so far away.

I wish they would have been posting their average speeds .... I think the family would have been more impressed with that when they were watching it with me.

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The TTT made my whole day. I love Astana. What a great stage!

I think it would be awesome if Levi won, Lance gets second and Alberto gets 3rd in Paris. HIGHLY unlikely, but in my dream world, that's what would happen. :P

I love Lance, but I love Levi more. I want him to win a TdF before he retires.



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I do see your point and I respect it as well. I'm not saying he is the greates in the world, like you have mentioned .... you need to win other big "grands" to be among this category. But for someone who is his age and has gone through what he has I would love to see him win but would be just as happy if Contador would excel to be the winner.

I am going to be torn if both men are poised to be able to win this one. It is going to be interesting to see who flourishes in the end?

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I certainly have huge respect for Lance Armstrong. Even racing the TdF as a domestique for a 2nd rate team requires a level of form none of us will probably ever achieve.

I don't think Armstrong is the greatest cyclist ever though.

Armstrong won more Tours but when you look at Indurain, LeMond, Merckx, Anqutil and Hinault they won 5 Tours but they also won other big races like the Giros, Vueltas, World Championships. Olympics, hour record, etc. These cyclists didn't have the luxury of being able to train and peak for one event, their sponsors expected them to win a lot.

While I would be proud of Lance winning another Tour I find myself rooting for Contador. Contador is the only active cyclist to win all three grand tours.

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I am getting ready to watch it when it comes on here at 230, sweet!!!

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LOL, TTT is one of my favorite events. I was so disappointed last year. I will be in front of my DVR as soon as I get home--I recorded the live broadcast from this morning, as well as all the recap shows on VS...

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Well, stage 4 is done. Let me whet your appetites by saying TTT = awesome.

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Since seriously starting in cycling I have been really watching what goes on. I have only one race under my belt but to see what these guys can do after a long day in the saddle???!!!! Wow.

I think this year's TdF is going to be the most exciting and fascinating. I heard the results on the way home yesterday which stunk but then again I was not able to catch it on vs to see the veteran move by Lance and others. Were the other racers even awake?

I'm hoping to get the replay of the TTT tonight.

I lean toward Lance ... with my wife fighting her bout with breast cancer a year ago and seeing what these drugs do to a person .... I have a bitter sweet respect for what Lance has overcome. I saw how this destroyed every bit of strength my wife had. She is now, after a year from surgery and 6 months after chemo ending, training to do Tri's this summer.

Go Astana!!

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When I was a kid we only got a few minutes of TdF coverage every week on ABC's Wide World of Sports. Of course I wasn't really into cycling back then so I didn't even remember the winners year to year.

When I was in college and got into bike racing we only got one show a week of TdF coverage recapping the stages. I do remember one day when we were all out on a training ride and all had our VCRs set to tape the TdF. Whilst riding through the countryside we all saw one of those portable signs congratulating the stage winner and GC leader. We were all pretty pissed because watching our tapes was just wasn't the same when we knew the outcome. We were so hungry for info all week that some of us listened to short-wave radios to get the latest. In a few years I got on this thing called the Internet (pre-Web) and we got our daily TdF news fix on Usenet News. Every day I dutifully printed the results at work for my then wife to read. Of course we would read more in depth articles later when the stories came out in Velonews and Winning.

To me the best TdF of all times was 1989. Greg LeMond won the '86 tour then was sidelined weeks before the '87 tour when shot in a hunting accident. After 2 years of rehabilitation he was back in '89. Nobody expected LeMond to be competitive but he shocked everyone by battling Laurent Fignon for the yellow. Before the final stage which that year was a short individual time trial Lemond trailed Fignon by 50 seconds. LeMond was time trialing brilliantly but nobody expected him to be able to make up 50 seconds. Both LeMond and Fignon rode all-out, both collapsing after the stage. LeMond beat Fignon by 58 seconds winning the TdF by 8 seconds which is the closest in history. LeMond's time trial was so fast that it was the fastest time trial in the history of the TdF until David Zabriskie's 1995 prologue.

I have little doubt that LeMond would have won at least 5 tours if it weren't for the hunting accident. It is one of the most bittersweet stories in cycling. LeMond also was asked to sacrifice his own TdF hopes in '85 to support his team leader Bernard Hinault.

My least favorite tours were the ones Indurain won. I found Indurain's tours to be rather boring. No heroic attacks like we saw from Merckx, Hinault, LeMond, and Armstrong. Indurain banked time in time trials where he excelled and limited his losses in the mountains.

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7/7/09 9:37 A

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Awesome ride by Columbia-HTC yesterday. When those guys drop the hammer it definitely stays dropped! Question is, how much left do they have for the TTT today?

Savvy move by Lance and Fabu (Cancellara) to get into the lead group. You could see them both move towards the front as Columbia started to amass. Everyone else was asleep, but with the mountains to come there's still time to be made up.

Astana is definitely the favourite to win the TTT today, but whether they can put 40 seconds into Saxo Bank (and Lance in yellow) is the more intriguing question. If they did, watch for them to give it away pretty quickly.

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7/6/09 6:50 P

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Looks like Armstrong surprised a few people today. :) His experience could be his secret weapon. I would love to see him in yellow again. I like Hincapie, too. He's a great rider. Cavendish brings excitement to the sprint finishes. He's amazing! This is going to be a great tour.

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7/6/09 3:39 P

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I love watching them ride! Favorites? Hmmmm....well, I have a weak spot for Lance and his team. But I don't think he's going to take it. I think he's in the backup role this time for his teammates. I watched his interview the other day, and he told them he was "old and needed his rest", ha!

Stage 3 is on now....must go watch!

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7/6/09 11:03 A

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I'm so glad someone started a TdF thread!

I've been watching the Tour (and Giro) for some 20 years now, back when I was a young teenager tooling around the neighbourhood on my Peugeot racing bike. Nowadays I record every day and watch it when I get back - I try not to know the result but sometimes it's hard when surfing the cycling websites.

My fave rider these days is Cancellara. And the Brits, obviously Cav. I'd put a lot of money on Contador winning the whole thing though, and I'd put an equal amount of money on Lance not.

Can't wait for the TTT - one of my favourites. I rode one once and it was a ton of fun. So glad that they've brought it back for this years tour. Watch out for Astana, Saxo Bank, Columbia and Garmin, those teams are stacked.

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7/6/09 9:38 A

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I am so glad to have something to watch now. DH and I just love big George (since DH is a big guy too).

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7/6/09 8:58 A

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I love watching the race, too. I set my DVR to record EVERYTHING, and then go back and delete duplicate broadcasts. And I hate to hear the results before I've seen it for myself!

Astana has a great team this year--how can you go wrong? So many of the awesome Discovery/US Postal riders together again, plus Kloden... I like Big George, too. But I've always liked David Zabriskie--I hope he doesn't get injured this year.

Can't wait for tomorrow's Team Time Trial!

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7/6/09 8:21 A

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How many people here are as excited as I am about the TdF!?!!? (I've been counting down the days since last year's tour ended!)

Which team/rider is your favorite?
I'm an Astana fan. Levi Leipheimer has been my favorite for years(i was going crazy during the ITT hoping he'd hold out on top). It doesn't hurt that we have Contador, Kloden, Armstrong and Popo. I mean- really? I'm pumped for the TTT on stage 4.

I've always been a huge fan of Hincapie, too, so my loyalty is stretched a bit now.

I have a feeling this is going to be a really exciting race this year! (isn't it always, though?)

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