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CHAMAELEN Posts: 48
7/7/09 10:43 P

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Haha, as a 22 yr old female - I'd rather die than watch a fashion show. Bring on the Tour!!!

A good thing about Lance coming back this year is that there has been more coverage of the other races- like the Tour Down Under, Tour of California and the Giro.

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7/7/09 10:00 P

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Leave the tour for men. It’s a wonderful event and I ‘m enjoying the coverage. Just set the dvr and veg for 3 hours soaking it in.

Let’s face it: there’s not much cycling coverage in the media. And I think cycling is viewed as a man’s sport. Kinda like boxing. There is women’s boxing but you don’t see coverage.

But then who watches these sports?? Mostly men. I think men want to watch other men do sports. Perhaps they can better relate to men doing the testosterone thang. emoticon

Just like women like watching a fashion show or hanging out to talk about men and the crazy stuff ya’all do.

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7/6/09 10:27 A

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I'm a big Bob Roll fan too, unless he's bleating on about Lance. Then I fast forward it.

For more Bob Roll craziness, read his book, "Bobke II". Highly entertaining look into road and mountain bike racing back in the 90s. It's very easy reading too, definitely recommended by this critic...

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CHAMAELEN Posts: 48
7/6/09 8:16 A

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I hope women are never in the TdF. I love love LOVE this race. Adding women along side the men would just get annoying. Then there would proably be rules like "each team needs to have X amount of women", etc. I don't know. Don't mess with something that has been going on for almost 100 years.

That is weird, though, that they don't have more coverage for the women cyclists.

I love Bob Roll, too! I like watching the morning coverage though because I think that Paul and Phil do a better job covering it live. (and they're a riot to listen to!). but if i have time i watch it at night, too, because bob is crazy and i love the extra interviews they have at night.
why do you think they'd get rid of Bob if it was co-ed?

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7/5/09 7:11 P

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Scatts - It's got nothing to do with bruising men's egos. My opinion is that it's a men's race. Leave it alone. I don't understand why people feel they must always change things. There is a lot to be said for tradition, which becomes more apparent as you get older (not to confuse nostalgia with tradition). The best way I can explain it is that tradition brings the past into the future, and it reminds us of what once was, what could be, and how we have changed and improved. Once you break tradition you lose all of that knowledge, practice, emotions, and meaning. That's not to say that things should never change or be modernized, but to me some things should maintain its original intent, and the Tour is one of them. There are other places and races that allow the sexes to mix it up.

Wonger - Over the years women are slowing closing the gap between endurance, strength and power. I am sure there are women out there that are stronger, better riders than some of the men on the tour, but as stated above, to me that's not the point.

Besides if it was a co-ed race, I would be afraid they would let Bob Roll go, and I just can't bear the thought of that. I think he's nuts, but for some reason I LOVE that guy!

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7/4/09 1:48 P

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My original curiosity wasn't really a men v. women or "mens club" type of question. I have watched the Tour and didn't pay attention to the lack of women in it. I thought maybe I had missed something as I usually catch the Tour in pieces.

I wasn't not aware of the women's race though, but I'm glad Jan brought it to my attention. The lack of sponsorship and the sporadic nature of the event has to be extremely frustrating for the women who train to compete in it.



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7/3/09 4:16 P

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I'm with GLADGAD on this one. There is no way a woman would be able to compete with the Tour big boys. It simply boils down to raw power - the GC contenders in the Tour (e.g. Lance) generally put down about 6.5-7 watts/kg in the mountains. The top sprinters (e.g. Cavendish) will easily top out at 60-70+ kph. A woman doesn't have that sort of power.

Not to mention the sheer number of riders in the peloton - a TdF peloton is already 181 riders - throw in another, say 100 into the mix? Most of whom are going to be off the back anyway? Recipe for chaos.

I'm glad the women have their own Tour, Giro and Vuelta. What irks me is the sheer lack of coverage. I've followed professional cycling for nigh on 15 years and it's very rare you see a women's race. And being a Brit, and we have some of the best women cyclists in the world - I'd love to see and cheer for them more than once or twice a year or at the Olympics...

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7/3/09 1:10 P

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Why do you hope that never changes?

I'm curious... besides "tradition".... whey wouldnt women be able to compete? Besides bruising mens' egos?

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6/26/09 10:50 P

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The Tour is a mens-only race, and women are not permitted to compete. Personally I hope that never changes.

As Jan pointed out, there is a womens version that not many people know about because it doesn't get any TV coverage. Personally I hope that changes!

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6/26/09 10:37 P

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Thanks Jan, I'll check it out!

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6/26/09 10:32 P

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There is a woman's version of the TdF called the Grande Boucle. Here is a little information about it en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grande_Boucle



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6/26/09 10:27 P

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I saw a question in the Spinning forum about women cyclists and building bulky thigh muscles. My first thought was the great legs that the Tour de France riders have, and then it occurred to me that there aren't any women that do the race.

Are there? And if not, why?

Wendy
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