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6/29/09 12:55 P

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thanks! I'll check it out!

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JHOLLNAGEL Posts: 1,768
6/29/09 9:14 A

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That is what is nice about the book. It is for all levels of cycling. It to wants you to get the most out of your work outs as well. You can take the traing to whatever level you want to go.

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JILLFRED13's Photo JILLFRED13 Posts: 172
6/29/09 8:51 A

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It has a minimum, max and average. That may not be as advanced as others but it works for me. I'm not into training for 75-100 mile rides. I'm just trying to get the most calorie burn in the most enjoyable time as possible. My goal is to lose 30 lbs. Riding bike has been a really goog exercise for me because I have knee issues.

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6/29/09 8:30 A

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How many different heart zones will this measure? My Training Bible for Cyclist states a HR should have 5 different zones for measurement. Be curious as to how many this one has?

Jim

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JILLFRED13's Photo JILLFRED13 Posts: 172
6/26/09 4:38 P

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I hate to disagree with the other members, but I own the epulse and its fantastic! Its not true that you need the chest strap to get an accurate HR. The epulse uses the same technology that is used in hospitals to take your pulse ox levels. (I work in the medical field) Trust me, its the latest most accurate technology out there. I also did a study between my epulse and my polar F6. They were right on. I got rid of my polar because I could not STAND the chest strap. It was a little bulky at first, on your forearm but after 2-3 rides, I dont even notice it. Only draw back, its kinda expensive.
One nice thing, uses AAA batteries. You have to send your Polar in to have batteries changed.
You have to determine how important no chest strap is for you. Ita a personal preference.

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6/16/09 10:45 A

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ROKERSHNER:
One of the factors that the Polar HRMs use to calculate cal burn is your HR. So you'll burn less cals if you're going, say 30 minutes easy spinning than you will going 30 minutes at "I'm about to die" pace.

That's great. The problem arises when you try and calculate what is "hard" and what is "easy" for you. Generally this is done using a formula to calculate a max HR and then you take percentages of your max HR to get your zones, (e.g. Zone 1 (easy) would be, say 40-60% MHR or whatever). Calculating this apparent max HR with a formula, like 220-your age is totally bogus. I know far more people who do NOT fit the formula than those who do.

This problem is then compounded when calculating cal burn. If your zones aren't set up right, it is very easy to imagine a case where the HRM thinks that you're working in a hard zone when in fact you're working in an easy zone. Thus it thinks you are burning more cals when in fact you aren't.

The correct way to set up your HR zones is not to determine your max HR, but rather your anaerobic (or lactate) threshold HR. This is a simple 20 minute test, and while it requires the ability to tolerate some suffering it is very repeatable and doesn't require a week of recovery, like a true max HR test does. I've done a max HR test, I'm not sure I'd want to do it again anytime soon. The LT test, however, I do once every 2 months or so.

I definitely think a cadence sensor is essential if you want to be remotely accurate when calculating cal burn on a bike. I've even tested it - I have a Garmin Forerunner 301 for running/multisport and an Edge 305 for cycling. The Edge is paired with the speed/cadence sensor. Setting them both to display cals, the Forerunner is racking up my cal burn even when I'm freewheeling down a hill. In contrast, the cal burn recorded from my Edge doesn't move at all, because I'm not actually doing any work!

Jim:
Bit of a sidetrack but I'm not totally sold on the iBike. Apparently the third gen is much better than the others, but if I was going to get a Power Meter (and I'm saving up for one) then I'd go with one that actually measures power (e.g. SRM or Powertap) than one which infers power, like the iBike.

Edited by: WONGERCHI at: 6/16/2009 (10:48)
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DRC2205's Photo DRC2205 Posts: 8,845
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Congrats on the F6. I think you made a good decision based on financial considerations. I hope it works for you.

I am sure WONGERCHI will return with confirmation, but I had to set my HRM based on determining my maximum heart rate and set the zones from there. My Timex included instructions to determine max HR, but if that doesn't come with the Polar, you can probably find it on line. Or else some else here can help with more specifics than I have.

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6/15/09 10:44 P

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Okay, gang! Thanks for ALL the help!

I've looked them all over, several times...
**I was drawn at first to the Ekho models because according to their website, they sell to schools...high school kids are something I DO KNOW something about, and if it works for them, it's got to be TOUGH! But Ekho reviews were very few and mixed and the features were a bit thin.
**I'd really like the iBike iSport, but alas, more money than I should spend.
**I'd LOVE a Garmin, but again alas, more money than I should spend! (If I didn't already have a GPS that I strap on my handle bars, the temptation would be greater.)

After learning alot about cadence in another message thread, I think at my stage of riding--just for exercise and stress relief (races, time trials...what are those?!!)--I'll stick to my little CatEye monitor, count cadence in my head, and learn to run the new Polar F6 I have ordered with free 2-day shipping! (TriNow Fitness, with a 10% off coupon code)

Wongerchi, what do you mean when you say "Be aware with the Polar that your HR zones have to be correctly calculated (NOT using any sort of formula) before your cal burn can be accurate." How do you calculate without a formula (please forgive me for being dumb!)? Do you mean to use the Polar feature that reads my heart rate and then sets target zones?

I cannot tell each and every one of you how much I appreciate the time you've taken to answer my uninformed questions. Who knows...perhaps a good reward for getting down to my final target weight (150) and staying there for a year or so would be a new bike with a Garmin! Let's hope I can keep from getting run over on the blacktops that long!

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6/15/09 12:24 P

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Raelynn:
If I were you I'd stay well clear of the ePulse. You want one with a chest strap for the most accurate HR reading. The chest strap is actually pretty comfortable - I wear mine for hours without noticing it once it's on.

I have a Garmin GPS/HRM and love it. I bought a spare speed/cadence sensor for mounting on the cyclocross bike for when I play in the dirt. I've had no problems with it at all - I really tightened the zipties that mount the sensor to the bike and I've had no problems with it at all. Cadence sensor is a magnet mounted to the back of the crank and ziptied into position. Again no problems. If you have the $$, get a Garmin.

In terms of "bang for the buck" HR monitors, I don't think you can go wrong with a Polar. I've never used one, but whatever, you want one with cadence for something even approximating a decent cal burn. Be aware with the Polar that your HR zones have to be correctly calculated (NOT using any sort of formula) before your cal burn can be accurate. The Garmin doesn't take HR into account when calculating cal burn. However, unless you have a power meter cal burn is always going to be a ballpark thing, you have to be smart to limit the size of the ballpark.

In God we trust, all others bring data.
- W. Edwards Demings

If God invented marathons to keep people from doing anything more stupid, the triathlon must have taken Him completely by surprise.
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Specificity, specificity, specificity.
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JHOLLNAGEL Posts: 1,768
6/15/09 11:20 A

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OK

I found the computer that will do all for you; it is called the i-Pro and I know they have a cheaper model than what REI is showing on this link: http://www.rei.com/product/789847

Take a look. I'm not sure if it is great for the trails but you could try and find their web site and find out.

I know I may upgrade to this in a year or two when I can demostrate to the DW that this is not a fad for me;-)

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DRC2205's Photo DRC2205 Posts: 8,845
6/15/09 10:42 A

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I have the CatEye CD300DW (I think that's the order of the letters...). Wireless model, with cadence.
I also have a Timex HRM. Both are coded, so they do not interfere with each other. ("Coded" is important to look for in any HRM.) I am very happy with my choices.

That being said, I am really a roadie, so I don't know what affects the rough terrain will have on the wireless set up...

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6/14/09 12:03 A

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You guys are great! Thanks for all the ideas! But I'm not done with you yet.
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I've been researching HRMs for 2 days now...mostly Polars. I found the CS200cad (thanks for the websites, Plindley1) and got REALLY excited. This sounds like the one for me, and I was finding prices that were okay (free would be better, but oh well!).

THEN I started reading reviews...there are a lot of mixed ones out there. In particular folks are saying not good for mountain biking. Now granted, I'm no dirt devil, but I do spend my whole summer in the Big Horn mountains and I like to ride the trails that are actually designed for 4-wheelers. (I like to ride them because that's all there is other than the gravel roads...I ride those, too, but I like getting out in the "wild".) There's lots of bumping up and down. Sometimes I even have to get off and walk the bike over huge boulders or ditches. It's wonderful!

I have a Cateye that's wired; registers speed, distance, trip distance, avg speed, max speed, time riding--unfortunately no cadence. That's what I'm ready to move on to now. And then there's the heart monitor part. In a desire to monitor calories, I'm told that a HRM is the best way to do that...plus if I'm going to exercise, I feel like a monitor would tell me if I'm really doing some good, not just wasting time.

My home riding is blacktop at best and gravel a good part of the time. My bike is a GT Timberline. I hope that means something to somebody, 'cause I'm not too bike savvy...I think Lance rides a Trek!...but the place I had a chance to buy a Trek had lousy customer service. (And I am certainly not Lance!!) I love the Bicycle Shack guys in KC, MO...they're the best! They could probably answer some of these questions, but they're 45 miles away in the city and you guys are right here in my computer... besides, you're not in any way tempted to sell me something.

So...I get the feeling most of you talking about Polars are riding road bikes. Am I right? Does it matter? My tires aren't knobby, but they're not skinny either. What does anybody know of the CS200cad? Should I stick to a wired model because of rough surface riding? Maybe I'm asking too much to try to get it all in 1 gadget. Any opinions on trying to upgrade to a CatEye with cadence and then buying just a simple heartrate monitor?

Thanks for all your help and patience with a newbie!
Raelynn

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6/13/09 4:51 P

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You can't go wrong with a polar, but there are less expensive items through bike nashbar and performance bikes (plus at least performance bikes carries some polar items).

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LOL, see I didn't like my Polar as much as I like my Timex. Both had a chest strap, which I never found uncomfortable. The big difference to me was the watch for the Timex was half the size of the Polar watch, and I hate having things on my arm or wrist.

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6/12/09 9:13 P

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Go with a Polar and you'll never regret it. I've got a Polar F11 and it's been the greatest tool in my weight loss. It's a little pricey, but there are lower cost options from Polar. They offer a better calculation than most of the others I've seen.

Pain is temporary. It may last a minute, or an hour, or a day, or a year, but eventually it will subside and something else will take its place. If I quit, however, it lasts forever.
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6/12/09 8:39 P

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I have the Ekho Wm -25 and love the easy functions it has.It was cheaper then the polar, I think i paid about 45.00 through Amazon

see what Amazon is offering right now, read the reviews on all and go from there.



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6/12/09 6:13 P

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The EPulse looks awkward; kind of big and clunky.

Also looks like it would trap a lot of sweat.

Based on where on the arm all of the website models have the thing it looks like you couldn't wear long sleeves.

For the same money you can start out with a basic Polar F6.

www.polarusa.com/us-en/products/fitn
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The chest straps aren't as uncomfortable as the ePulse folks intimate. I think Polar even makes a sports bra where the strap is built in. Personally, I don't roll that way.





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6/12/09 4:09 P

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I did a cursory look and was not impressed. From my limited research and reading you are going to want one that will give you 5 different functions. I did not see that this one did.

There are some nicer ones out there but they may be more than what you want to spend right now. I know I want one but I have not convinced the DW yet to bring this subject matter up yet. I'm in my second year of riding and when I enter into my 3rd year of riding is when I will really push for one.

I can not remember the one I am looking at ..... if i do not see someone post it here; then I will look at my research and let you know later.

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I'm thinking toward getting a heart rate monitor and have just found the ePulse by Impact Sports.
http://www.impactsports.com/
Any experience with this monitor? For those of you with experience, do you see any info on the website that sounds "warning bells" to you or any info that makes it sound like a good deal? I want something that will track my heart rate and calorie expenditure. Of course, I don't want to spend more money than needed, but I don't want to buy a cheap model only to find it doesn't do what I want. I've already returned a HRM to WalMart that was the wrist-type...a little awkward to put my finger on the pad while riding, but above that, it wouldn't read while I was actually moving. I had to stop and stand still to get a reading...not at all what I had in mind.
All suggestions/opinions welcome!

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