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Okay, here is my update! My husband and I have been going once a week doing at least 3 repeats for 3 weeks. I feel stronger, and my overall pace has increased.
I haven't done any major hills to know if they are easier, but the milder hills on my usual route are.
Anyone else been doing these repeat?

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you can also use http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/ for mapping and elevation data, I find this more accurate than MMR for the rides I do. MMR has the problem that it averages out elevation for a section I think.

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Hello Lovey,

I am loving your attitude of perseverance.
Keep up the good work!

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emoticon LOVEY!


It's been really gratifying watching you progress as a cyclist/multisporter... Keep it up!

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okay, this is good to know. Thank you.

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As much as I love MMR, I've found the elevation to be wildly inaccurate. On one ride I mapped, the elevation gained was less than the difference between the start of the ride and the end of the ride... I didn't know I had taken an elevator somewhere along the route. :) Veloroutes seems much more reliable and closer to reality, in my opinion.

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I just mapped the route on MMR ...
www.mapmyride.com/route/us/md/columb
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This has come up before but the elevation data provided by MMR doesn't reflect either the data obtained from the Garmin and disagrees with both Veloroutes and Bikemaps.net.

Not sure why the discrepancy but if you rode the route you'd also question whether there was less than 500 ft of climbing. I'm not sure what the histogram means but 2% is not the maximum grade on the ride.

Lovey did a tough ride. I was trying to use accurate data to reflect the difficulty.

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Mapmyride.com also will follow the elevation of the route and give you a profile.

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Mapmyride.com also will follow the elevation of the route and give you a profile.

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Lovey,

Congratulations! That is quite a ride for a novice biker and yes it does have some hills ( veloroutes.org/bikemaps/?route=33434 click on the "get elevation data" link)

Veloroutes overestimates climbing but my friend's Garmin puts it at 1116 feet or 63ft/mile; still a solid 6 on the difficulty meter.

FQMS (your turnaround point) is really the gateway to some fantastic and beautiful rides as you head west in Howard County. I really hope you get to do some of those rides; they are worth it.

Once again, well done! Good luck with your event.

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Thanks. Now if my swimming will follow suit, I would be golden but still struggling with that part.

I am hoping that next year, I can go on some of the local bike clubs bike rides. Some do sound interesting.

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I'm so proud of you, too! That is awesome! You have gotten so much better at cycling in the last few months, and I know the race is going to be amazing!

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I rode my entire 17.5 mile HILLY course!!

LAst month I did 8 miles of it and two weeks ago I did 11 miles or so. Today we were aiming for 13 or 14 miles. My riding mentor was sick so I went out by myself since I was already dressed and had loaded my bike up too.

The steepest hill on the course looked so intimidating. I rode half way up and had to stop for a minute to rest, then got back on my bike and rode to the top. It was so steep, I could n't catch my breath at the top because the road was still on an incline. I had to stop for 2 or 3 minutes to breath.

When I reached the spot we were planning to turn around at, I decided to try going the distance. So 2 miles upclimb later, I reached the turn around and the 10 mile mark. My LBS had a SAG truck there and they were happy to check my bike and adj my cables for me especially since I popped my chain at the begiining of my ride.

I can't believe I made it the entire way. WOW!
I am so proud of myself and still tired.

Lovey

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-strengthen my recently broken ankle

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-completed a 10 miler, 10K and a half marathon
-sorry my year ended in Maym 2 weeks after my half marathon when I crash on my bike shattering my ankle. I had surgery and ortho put in 8 screws and a plate.



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Let's compare in 30 days on those hills. I am glad to hear you are going at 7mph on the steepest. It give me hope. I thought I was the slowest thing ever going up the hills between 5 and 6. I started those hills beween 4 and 5.

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-strengthen my recently broken ankle

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-cosistent training after healing from a stress fracture in my foot
-completed a 10 miler, 10K and a half marathon
-sorry my year ended in Maym 2 weeks after my half marathon when I crash on my bike shattering my ankle. I had surgery and ortho put in 8 screws and a plate.



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Cool! Let's compare notes in 30 days and see how we feel on those hills.
Today, I envisioned a friend of ours in front of us and that kept me hitting the hill pretty hard. I was trying to keep above 7 mph at the steepest part and when I fell below, I mustered a little more to go faster.

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There is kick a$$ hill about a mile from my house. One of my club members told me the same thing last week. She does the exact hill and she is about 6 or 7 miles away. She rides to the hill area, do repeats, then ride home.

I haven't tried it because the hilliest part has no shoulder but it's not a busy street at all.

I do plan to try it in the coming week and see.

Tomorrow I will be riding furthur out on my tri course and thus tackling the steepest hill on the course. Can't wait and scared out of my mind. Looking at the hill seems intimidating enough.

Lovey

2013 Goals:
- lose 50lbs
-stay consistent in my workouts
-strengthen my recently broken ankle

2012 Accomplishments:
-cosistent training after healing from a stress fracture in my foot
-completed a 10 miler, 10K and a half marathon
-sorry my year ended in Maym 2 weeks after my half marathon when I crash on my bike shattering my ankle. I had surgery and ortho put in 8 screws and a plate.



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I rode some hills recently with a gal who is a racer. She suggested what she called "repeats". This is where you do a mild ride for warm up and then you go to the hill area and ride up it as hard as you can muster and repeat the hill 3 times. Do this at least once a week. She said this is what has really helped her and info came from her "team coach".
I have yet to try it, but am planning to start.

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What amazing process! You are going to kick a$$ in your race!

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UPDATE:
Yesterday, I did the BWI Trail 11 mile ride again and it was fine. LAter that even I went for a 5 mile run.

Today, I again tackled my 18-mile triathlon bike course with my mentor and her daughter. Last time, I did 8 miles of it and about died of exhaustion. I was tired before the first mile ended.

Well, today aimed for 9 but we did 11.5 miles of it. I felt really good for the first few miles and had no trouble with those hills like I did the first time out. I took a break almost a mile further than I did the first time and didn't need a break until the half way point and that was only because we had to cross the street and wait for traffic. In all, I stopped twice and only on the two biggest hills. My legs are tired but it felt so good to see my progress. My hubby went with us. He walked some hills because he hasn't ridden many, if any, hills in years.

I am so proud of myself. Next time we are going out to 15 or 16 miles and avoid the biggest hill of the course until the ride after that. That hill is seriously steep like going up the side of a building. I can feel my car pull when I drive it.


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-stay consistent in my workouts
-strengthen my recently broken ankle

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-cosistent training after healing from a stress fracture in my foot
-completed a 10 miler, 10K and a half marathon
-sorry my year ended in Maym 2 weeks after my half marathon when I crash on my bike shattering my ankle. I had surgery and ortho put in 8 screws and a plate.



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Lovey

You just answered one of my questions to you ... I know your new to riding but try to never use your brakes on a down hill descent especially if another hill is in front of you. You want all of your momentum that is being created to be used to your advantage.

There are times when I have so much speed that I can carry it half way up the next hill and pedal. I pedal seated because I can last longer. The only time I have stood while climbing is when I'm going so slow that I'm about to tip over. This is for a short distance and it is usually just before the top.

I also start shifting into a harder gear as I crest the hill so that I do not over spin myself.

Wongerchi is correct on the gearing. However, I have found it easier to do what he does .... stay in the gear you are currently at but then shift as needed during the climb .... you'll know when to shift. I have found by staying in my current gear I'm getting a greater distance from each gear and pedal stroke and before you know it I'm at the top.

Yes, I still have issues climbing as well. Last Tues I was 6th out of 15 riders and 3 of them were women so it was 6th out of 12 on the men. However, since I'm heavier I was able to close the gap on the downhill side because of my mass. I may have lost 30-45 secs on the climb but the net loss may have been 5-10 secs.

To help you on the down hill and the speed that comes with it I have found leaning down and putting my knees against the top tube really helps to eliminate the vibration from the bike.

It sounds like you are doing what is needed for you to defeat the hill syndrome.

Like Wongerchi says do a ride where all you do is climb hills back and forth. On a windy day ride into the wind in a tougher gear to simulate a hill climb.

I hope this helps and makes sense?

Jim

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Saturday I did the BWI Trail 11 mile ride (my longest so far). It had hills but relatively easy compared to the one I was use to doing.

Yesterday I did my HARDEST ride yet and it was only 8 miles!! It was 8 miles of rolling hills. As soon as there is even the shortest decent, there was an even longer hill right after. My quads complained before I had even gone a mile.

My goal was to do 9 miles of the 18 mile triathlon course. My mentor suggested I make an early turn at the 4 mile mark instead of the 4.5 mile mark. Why? Well that half mile was a fast decent BUT it was an even longer half mile climb back. Since it was my first time on the course, she suggested I ride the 8 mile leg a few times before venturing out more. The way my legs were feeling, I was so happy about that change. She showed me how to lean into the descent even though I don't have a road bike. I also learned how to NOT use my brakes on the decent so I can use the momentum to help me get up the next hill.

I do have to say that the last 4 miles was better than the first. Even though I was biking the same hills, it was still hard but a tad bit "less hard".

That was a hard ride and I eventually have to do 18 miles of it (by August)!!!

My mentor and I will be riding on Sundays until I can cover the WHOLE 18 miles.

Lovey

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-strengthen my recently broken ankle

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-cosistent training after healing from a stress fracture in my foot
-completed a 10 miler, 10K and a half marathon
-sorry my year ended in Maym 2 weeks after my half marathon when I crash on my bike shattering my ankle. I had surgery and ortho put in 8 screws and a plate.



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Thanks for the advice, I need it too!

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LOVEY:
Keep at it. Everyone here has good suggestions! And DRC's right - to get better at hills, keep doing them! I'm a crappy hill climber too, but I make a point of doing a hilly ride every week.

For gearing, I do the same thing as you - stick it into the small ring in front and then keep adjusting the back until I'm in the largest cog. I shift every time my cadence drops below 75-80, unless I'm in my smallest gear, which is when it gets ugly.

Long hills are better off done seated, although I ride with a guy who always stands up hills. I sit for the long ones, but if it's a short steep hill I'll stand and punch it.

To learn to stand, put the bike into a big gear (so that it's hard to pedal when seated) and just extend your legs. Your body position should be identical to when you're seated, just with your legs straight. RELAX your upper body - that advice actually extends to hill climbing too.

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We have some nice, varied hills on our usual women's ride route (which got rained out tonight emoticon ) and I can say that I can feel successful on them when I ride into them naturally, not power in, and keep a nice, steady, somewhat high cadence going by shifting regularly, before I really need it but still feeling some resistance. My heart rate definitely goes up, but I'm keeping everything spinning smoothly. I also really focus on my breathing.

There is a hill near my house that I ride, by myself, every one to two weeks. Each time I have a great sense of accomplishment because I finish it stronger and feel more in control, instead of the hilling controlling me. Make sense? Good luck on that hill!

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+1 to what's been said. And I'd like to add this thought: "To get better on hills, ride hills."

For gearing, I usually don't go all the way into my easiest gear from the start. I always want to feel some resistance, but my ultimate goal is just to keep the pedals moving all the way to the top!


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I'm a big guy so hills have always been a challenge. In general smaller riders have the advantage on hills, big guys even if fit are at a disadvantage. If you look at the climbing specialists among pros most of them are small.

All that said you can improve your climbing no mater what your physique. Climbing speed is determined by your power to weight ratio. To climb faster you need more power and/or less weight.

Another thing I'd add is that you have to stay within yourself. If you give your all to keep up with better climbers at the beginning of a climb you may blow up before cresting and loose far more time and energy than if you let the other rider go and stayed within your climbing abilities. You should try to finish the climb strong even if you have to conserve energy at the beginning.

Climbing out of the saddle can help by using slightly different muscles than you use seated. When your legs start to go standing up sometimes gives you a little extra strength. Do keep in mind that standing is something that most people only do for short periods of time because it requires more oxygen than climbing seated. Powerful riders often power their way up short hills standing but longer climbs require them to pace themselves.

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Lovey,
All good advice in the other responses but you have to ride, ride, ride...
When the hills get tough and I want to slack off I get into my mantra "I love hills. Hills make me strong". Look at and focus at the top of the hill when climbing (same for running.
NEVER GIVE UP!
Some people are good at a fast pedaling cadence and use the gears that way. Others have more power and use that to hammer their way to the top. Neither is better, just different. I have a friend that is a true athlete. He's younger, stronger, and has a lot more stamina than I do. He's also bigger and heavier than I am so I easily beat him up hills. He runs away from me on the down hills and still has plenty of energy when I have none left.

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Thanks guys.
As hard as it is now, it was harder in the fll with more weight and my heavier mountain bike.

I will keep at it and play with the gears.
Atleast my butt doesn't get as sore anymore while I'm riding.

Lovey

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-stay consistent in my workouts
-strengthen my recently broken ankle

2012 Accomplishments:
-cosistent training after healing from a stress fracture in my foot
-completed a 10 miler, 10K and a half marathon
-sorry my year ended in Maym 2 weeks after my half marathon when I crash on my bike shattering my ankle. I had surgery and ortho put in 8 screws and a plate.



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I have a fitness bike too (flat bar road), and I can really tell a huge difference on climbs. My other bike was much heavier, and no matter what I did the hills would still kill me. On this bike it's a completely different story, so I agree that weight...not only mine but my bikes...is a huge factor in climbing.

Strength and endurance as well. When my lower back is bothering me (herniation that flares up now and then), I will be slower going up because I just can't put enough ooomph behind the pedals. I don't stand either. Too clumsy and I'd surely destroy another part of my anatomy doing it, ha!

That is what I have noticed, in addition to shifting and really pumping it out when I see the hill coming. If I get a good running start I am better able to keep climbing.

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If your crank is really spinning that fast, you may be in too easy a gear. Try switching to a harder gear in exchange for a slightly slower pedaling stroke.

Some of it may also be strength and endurance. If you and your friends are spinning at the same speed but they are in a higher gear, they will continue to exend their lead on you.

I would experiment more with your shifting.

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Weight makes a lot of difference, I noticed you still have 30lbs to loose, that's a lot of weight to carry up a hill on a bike. Keep working at it you will get faster, especially when the weight comes off and you get stronger, and yes some people are just born to climb hills. I can't wait till I get my weight and see what I can do, I get tired of being pasted on the hills. Some fat is good for swimming but hell on a bike.

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Keep at it. I run a lot, too. I log 30ish miles a week of running. But if I haven't hit the hills on the bikes in awhile, I still feel it. Cycling and running are two different critters. The gearing on your bike makes a difference as well. Not all bikes are geared the same. I ride very relaxed from the hips up. I do not hang on to the bars, my arms are relaxed, heck I'm practically having my lower lip flop. LOL I direct all my energy to my legs.

I don't know the science behind it. Wongerchi probably will have a lot of good info. I am a good climber, always have been. I think some folks are predisposed to certain things. My boyfriend can ride all day, he has incredible endurance, but he crawls up hills. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. I say just keep hitting that hill and over time, you will get better/stronger/faster!

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I ride with two different people. One has a road bike and the other rides a mountain.

The result is the same. They dust me on the hills.
By the way, neither rides the hills standing up.

Lovey

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-strengthen my recently broken ankle

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-cosistent training after healing from a stress fracture in my foot
-completed a 10 miler, 10K and a half marathon
-sorry my year ended in Maym 2 weeks after my half marathon when I crash on my bike shattering my ankle. I had surgery and ortho put in 8 screws and a plate.



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I haven't ridden much in the way of hills and I am not very good at getting up them. I know you're using different muscles than running (more hamstring than quad, I believe). You will need to continue to practice them as you first practiced running hills. Your stamina to do them will come.

In the meantime I will leave it to the experts to explain how to get up a hill as easily as possible.

Another thought - what kind of bike is your friend riding? If it's a road bike, it's probably lighter than yours; total weight of the bike -- even a couple of pounds -- makes a bigger difference than you would think.

-Carolyn

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Hi,
I got my Cannondale Quick 6 (fitness hybrid/flat bar road) last month. I didn't ride it until this month because it rained everyday I planned to ride over the last month.

I have been riding the trails (paved) in my town. They have steep but super short hills. Good riding but with all the trees, I have no sight distance. I can come round the corner and BAM!! pedestrian or other biker. It's a wonder people haven't been crashing.

Anyway, on Saturdays, I ride on the road thru an industrial park with light traffic. It's a two mile loop that the local races, bike clubs and tri-clubs use for training. I do the loop 3 to 5 times.

It has a LOOOONG hill that kills me. I can ride it but it is so HARD. I swear I could run that hill faster than I ride it!! I mean it!!

I put my front gear in the easiest one and adjust the right as needed. I get so tired going up the hill and before I reach the crest, my quads are burning.

I watch my friend riding with me and even though our legs are turning at the same time, she seems to be going up the hill much faster.

What am I doing wrong?
Are my legs just weak? (I run 10-15 miles per week)
What can I do to make it easier?

FYI - I can't ride standin up without falling over yet.

Lovey


2013 Goals:
- lose 50lbs
-stay consistent in my workouts
-strengthen my recently broken ankle

2012 Accomplishments:
-cosistent training after healing from a stress fracture in my foot
-completed a 10 miler, 10K and a half marathon
-sorry my year ended in Maym 2 weeks after my half marathon when I crash on my bike shattering my ankle. I had surgery and ortho put in 8 screws and a plate.



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